The Offical WFF BS Thread!

[Olly]

What does recognizing them as people do for the dolphins?

Whoa slow down there. I never once said I was in favor or even believed in that stuff. I just said I read something on it a few years ago that was interesting.

[Woody]

should be considered persons and have all the protections that come with it.

Olly, I think this is were our trains of thought separated. I see people as having more than the abstract rights that you are talking about. But some of those rights come with expectations and responsibilities.

Granted my blinders were on and kept arguing after you quoted the declaration and at which point I should have read a little and taken sometime to reflect and really figure out what they meant by their statement. I will concede that what Jefferson wrote probably meant what you are saying. And maybe I just think that "human rights" expand past those simple thoughts.

[Woody]

What does recognizing them as people do for the dolphins?

Whoa slow down there. I never once said I was in favor or even believed in that stuff. I just said I read something on it a few years ago that was interesting.

That doesn't change the question. replace dolphins with people. What do these abstract rights do for you?

[Olly]

What does recognizing them as people do for the dolphins?

Whoa slow down there. I never once said I was in favor or even believed in that stuff. I just said I read something on it a few years ago that was interesting.

That doesn't change the question. replace dolphins with people. What do these abstract rights do for you?

They don't do anything for me. I'm not a non human person

[Woody]

Jefferson's "original Rough draught" is on exhibit in the Library of Congress.[4] This version was used by Julian Boyd to
create a transcript of Jefferson's draft,[5] which reads:

We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; ...

The Committee of Five edited Jefferson's draft. Their version survived further edits by the whole Congress intact, and reads:[6]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ——

Jefferson clearly meant what you are saying, yet they changed the wording for a some reason.

[Olly]

Jefferson's "original Rough draught" is on exhibit in the Library of Congress.[4] This version was used by Julian Boyd to
create a transcript of Jefferson's draft,[5] which reads:

We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; ...

The Committee of Five edited Jefferson's draft. Their version survived further edits by the whole Congress intact, and reads:[6]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. ——

Jefferson clearly meant what you are saying, yet they changed the wording for a some reason.

They changed the wording to ambiguously exclude slaves. At the time the Continental congress was already administrating a war with England (that they were losing) and didn't feel like it was the right time to tackle the issue of slavery. If they had included slaves specifically then a lot of the colonies would have pulled their support of the war.

I've read all of the surviving drafts that Jefferson wrote and they changed a lot of stuff. It took them 4 days of debating to get to what we now know as the Declaration of Independence.

[Olly]

@woody

In an effort to be a fair man I will concede that despite the Declaration of Independent the 5th Amendment says

nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

So will I still maintain that no one can take away your inherent rights the constitution does make provisions for dealing with things like the death penalty. If you want to understand that has removing someone's rights then there is your proof.

[Woody]

@woody

In an effort to be a fair man I will concede that despite the Declaration of Independent the 5th Amendment says

nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;

So will I still maintain that no one can take away your inherent rights the constitution does make provisions for dealing with things like the death penalty. If you want to understand that has removing someone's rights then there is your proof.

Yeah, but that is not included as an inherent right endowed by your creator. That is not one that would be granted to non-human people, by the definition you gave. So, there would be no expectation of responsibility on them. i have no problem admitting I was wrong.

[Olly]

We can agree that everyone on earth is born with certain rights and being American and having the Bill of Rights protects those rights for you thus making America the best damn country of all time!

[Woody]

[Flyway Stalker]

Not sure if this is the right place for this, but I'm desperate.
I would greatly appreciate it if any of the believers out there could take a few seconds to include my younger brother in their prayers. He has been in ICU heavely sedated and on a ventilator with bacterial spinal meningitis since Saturday due to some complications from a back surgery, and is looking at another surgery tomorrow to try and close up the point where he is leaking spinal fluid.
Don't mean to be a downer, I'm just deperate because he is my only sibling.

[NuffDaddy]

Not sure if this is the right place for this, but I'm desperate.
I would greatly appreciate it if any of the believers out there could take a few seconds to include my younger brother in their prayers. He has been in ICU heavely sedated and on a ventilator with bacterial spinal meningitis since Saturday due to some complications from a back surgery, and is looking at another surgery tomorrow to try and close up the point where he is leaking spinal fluid.
Don't mean to be a downer, I'm just deperate because he is my only sibling.

Prayers coming his way man. Keep us updated

[Flightstopper]

ffs. Thread killers

[Flightstopper]

That post was definitely NOT directed at you Flyway. Will keep him in my thoughts that he recovers quickly.

[Deltaman]

Prayers sent FS!

[The Duck Hammer]

Not sure if this is the right place for this, but I'm desperate.
I would greatly appreciate it if any of the believers out there could take a few seconds to include my younger brother in their prayers. He has been in ICU heavely sedated and on a ventilator with bacterial spinal meningitis since Saturday due to some complications from a back surgery, and is looking at another surgery tomorrow to try and close up the point where he is leaking spinal fluid.
Don't mean to be a downer, I'm just deperate because he is my only sibling.

Prayers on the way.

[The Duck Hammer]

We can agree that everyone on earth is born with certain rights and being American and having the Bill of Rights protects those rights for you thus making America the best damn country of all time!

Except the bill of rights doesn't mean shit sometimes. At least that's the new trend. Nothing like constitution free zones to bring a great country to its knees.

[Goldfish]

Are we done arguing in here?

[Olly]

Are we done arguing in here?

Don't take it so serious we were having a debate, always good to have a little fun with a debate.

[The Duck Hammer]

Debates aren't always fun. Try having them with liberal bitches on a college campus.

[Olly]

Debates aren't always fun. Try having them with liberal bitches on a college campus.

That's the best kind.

[The Duck Hammer]

Debates aren't always fun. Try having them with liberal bitches on a college campus.

That's the best kind.

About 2 minutes in the argument goes away. I'm trying to keep shit on topic but their end is nothing but personal attacks. I've quit trying anymore. Not worth my time.

[Woody]

Prayers sent, Stalker.

[Rick]

Absolutely.

[Flightstopper]

The boredom is setting in something heavy... Especially since I just had to pass on an Arkansas trip

[NuffDaddy]

The boredom is setting in something heavy... Especially since I just had to pass on an Arkansas trip

I'm fucking bored out of my mind.
On a plus side, water opened up the past few days and not liking like it should freeze back up anytime soon. Looks like I might get one more weekend of hunting in during the late split next weekend.

[DeadEye_Dan]

Ducks all over the middle part of the state right now

[Woody]

The boredom is setting in something heavy... Especially since I just had to pass on an Arkansas trip

I'm fucking bored out of my mind.
On a plus side, water opened up the past few days and not liking like it should freeze back up anytime soon. Looks like I might get one more weekend of hunting in during the late split next weekend.

Yeah, it's looking promising that I might get to lay in the boat for a few hours watching clouds go by.

[NuffDaddy]

Ducks all over the middle part of the state right now

Ducks as in mallards or divers?

[Woody]

Ducks all over the middle part of the state right now

Really there are absolutely none here.

Divers or puddle?