And It Continues...

[Eric Haynes]

I don't think common core is helping much but come on...it ain't rocket science. I'd honestly like to know how this will all pan out in 10 years when the plan "goes into effect"

But it IS rocket science to kids who have NEVER added or subtracted 3 digit numbers for any length of time, who don't know how to borrow or carry, and who have so few practice problems at school that they have to count on their fingers to add 8+7. I'm not making that up. I know it's happening a lot of places, but there's many around here who are ready to start lynching.

That's the point of the exercise. Its showing an easy way to add 3 digit numbers using increments of 1, 10 and 100.

[Eric Haynes]

I don't think common core is helping much but come on...it ain't rocket science. I'd honestly like to know how this will all pan out in 10 years when the plan "goes into effect"

What plan?

To have a class graduate to the common core standard.

[assateague]

I don't think common core is helping much but come on...it ain't rocket science. I'd honestly like to know how this will all pan out in 10 years when the plan "goes into effect"

But it IS rocket science to kids who have NEVER added or subtracted 3 digit numbers for any length of time, who don't know how to borrow or carry, and who have so few practice problems at school that they have to count on their fingers to add 8+7. I'm not making that up. I know it's happening a lot of places, but there's many around here who are ready to start lynching.

That's the point of the exercise. Its showing an easy way to add 3 digit numbers using increments of 1, 10 and 100.

There's absolutely nothing easy about that.

[Eric Haynes]

I don't think common core is helping much but come on...it ain't rocket science. I'd honestly like to know how this will all pan out in 10 years when the plan "goes into effect"

But it IS rocket science to kids who have NEVER added or subtracted 3 digit numbers for any length of time, who don't know how to borrow or carry, and who have so few practice problems at school that they have to count on their fingers to add 8+7. I'm not making that up. I know it's happening a lot of places, but there's many around here who are ready to start lynching.

That's the point of the exercise. Its showing an easy way to add 3 digit numbers using increments of 1, 10 and 100.

There's absolutely nothing easy about that.

To you...but that problem isn't a "common core" problem. That problem was used when I was in elementary school. My mother has damn near every piece of homework and paper from kindergarten til 9th grade or so when I stopped caring. I should go find it all to show that this stuff isn't new, but just introduced sooner.

[banknote]

I don't think common core is helping much but come on...it ain't rocket science. I'd honestly like to know how this will all pan out in 10 years when the plan "goes into effect"

But it IS rocket science to kids who have NEVER added or subtracted 3 digit numbers for any length of time, who don't know how to borrow or carry, and who have so few practice problems at school that they have to count on their fingers to add 8+7. I'm not making that up. I know it's happening a lot of places, but there's many around here who are ready to start lynching.

That's the point of the exercise. Its showing an easy way to add 3 digit numbers using increments of 1, 10 and 100.

There's absolutely nothing easy about that.

There's nothing easy about understanding what numerals represent, and then understanding what different combinations of numerals represent, and then understanding what adding or subtracting those combinations of numerals represents, but some how young minds figure it out and then it's just second nature.

[Eric Haynes]

I don't think common core is helping much but come on...it ain't rocket science. I'd honestly like to know how this will all pan out in 10 years when the plan "goes into effect"

But it IS rocket science to kids who have NEVER added or subtracted 3 digit numbers for any length of time, who don't know how to borrow or carry, and who have so few practice problems at school that they have to count on their fingers to add 8+7. I'm not making that up. I know it's happening a lot of places, but there's many around here who are ready to start lynching.

That's the point of the exercise. Its showing an easy way to add 3 digit numbers using increments of 1, 10 and 100.

There's absolutely nothing easy about that.

There's nothing easy about understanding what numerals represent, and then understanding what different combinations of numerals represent, and then understanding what adding or subtracting those combinations of numerals represents, but some how young minds figure it out and then it's just second nature.

Exactly. Instead of kicking and screaming the whole way, I think I'd rather figure it out and help my child understand it.

[waterfowlman]

I don't think common core is helping much but come on...it ain't rocket science. I'd honestly like to know how this will all pan out in 10 years when the plan "goes into effect"

[assateague]

That's the point of the exercise. Its showing an easy way to add 3 digit numbers using increments of 1, 10 and 100.

There's absolutely nothing easy about that.

There's nothing easy about understanding what numerals represent, and then understanding what different combinations of numerals represent, and then understanding what adding or subtracting those combinations of numerals represents, but some how young minds figure it out and then it's just second nature.

Exactly. Instead of kicking and screaming the whole way, I think I'd rather figure it out and help my child understand it.

I'd rather my child not be used as a social experiment. It's not just this assignment, but the entirety of what I've been posting all year. This most certainly is not the first. Furthermore, the curriculum was never tested. Not one time, not in one school district, before it was rolled out. And that is a tremendous crock of bullshit. For the record, I would not be nearly as pissed if I was given an option. If those who say "it's not so bad, give it a chance" were so confident of their position, they would have no problem supporting a voucher system, to allow anyone who wanted to send their children elsewhere. But they don't. They hold people hostage, and that most assuredly is not a sign of something which is "good" or that "people want".

I can count on one of those "big blocks" the amount of problems my daughter has done in school and for homework, in order to learn math. And that's bullshit, when it is mixed in with all the nonsense I have posted throughout this year.

[Woody]

I don't think common core is helping much but come on...it ain't rocket science. I'd honestly like to know how this will all pan out in 10 years when the plan "goes into effect"

Is that top one an American "History" Book?

[DeadEye_Dan]

It's pretty easy to go along with the lemmings when you have no children being experimented with and brainwashed with this bullshit.

[3legged_lab]

I showed your response to my wife, she got a good chuckle.

[waterfowlman]

I don't think common core is helping much but come on...it ain't rocket science. I'd honestly like to know how this will all pan out in 10 years when the plan "goes into effect"

Is that top one an American "History" Book?

Yup.

[RonE]

That's the point of the exercise. Its showing an easy way to add 3 digit numbers using increments of 1, 10 and 100.

There's absolutely nothing easy about that.

There's nothing easy about understanding what numerals represent, and then understanding what different combinations of numerals represent, and then understanding what adding or subtracting those combinations of numerals represents, but some how young minds figure it out and then it's just second nature.

Exactly. Instead of kicking and screaming the whole way, I think I'd rather figure it out and help my child understand it.

I'd rather my child not be used as a social experiment. It's not just this assignment, but the entirety of what I've been posting all year. This most certainly is not the first. Furthermore, the curriculum was never tested. Not one time, not in one school district, before it was rolled out. And that is a tremendous crock of bullshit. For the record, I would not be nearly as pissed if I was given an option. If those who say "it's not so bad, give it a chance" were so confident of their position, they would have no problem supporting a voucher system, to allow anyone who wanted to send their children elsewhere. But they don't. They hold people hostage, and that most assuredly is not a sign of something which is "good" or that "people want".

I can count on one of those "big blocks" the amount of problems my daughter has done in school and for homework, in order to learn math. And that's bullshit, when it is mixed in with all the nonsense I have posted throughout this year.

There are options.........Parochial School, Charter Schools, Private Schools and Home Schooling. Take your pick.
Some Charter Schools are far worse than public school and some are far better, few are the same. Parochial Schools always include the study of their religion. Private Schools usually have a goal and usually provide a good education with lots of attention to the students. Home schooling reduces some social interaction and is quite often very narrow minded.

It speaks quite highly of you in that you seem to care about your children's education and if you were more positive about it your children would be more eager to learn. It is you that is fighting the system, teach regular math at home and let them learn hoo doo voo doo at school.

[ducks~n~bucks]

32-20=?

Use four different ways to solve and explain your steps.

I heard that one on the radio the other day. It is a 2nd grade math problem from common core.

The fuck does that mean? There is only one way to do 32-20=?, and that is 32-20. That's like asking for four different ways to fill cup of water from the faucet, with cold water and no ice in a small cup.

[R. Chapman]

32-20=?

Use four different ways to solve and explain your steps.

I heard that one on the radio the other day. It is a 2nd grade math problem from common core.

The fuck does that mean? There is only one way to do 32-20=?, and that is 32-20. That's like asking for four different ways to fill cup of water from the faucet, with cold water and no ice in a small cup.

My little brother and sister are starting to get this stuff. Been pissing me off because they ask me how the fuck you figure it out. Good article on AmericanThinker the other day about...
http://americanthinker.com/2014/05/educ ... _sick.html

[assateague]

[quote="Eric Haynes"]
That's the point of the exercise. Its showing an easy way to add 3 digit numbers using increments of 1, 10 and 100.

There's absolutely nothing easy about that.

There's nothing easy about understanding what numerals represent, and then understanding what different combinations of numerals represent, and then understanding what adding or subtracting those combinations of numerals represents, but some how young minds figure it out and then it's just second nature.

Exactly. Instead of kicking and screaming the whole way, I think I'd rather figure it out and help my child understand it.

I'd rather my child not be used as a social experiment. It's not just this assignment, but the entirety of what I've been posting all year. This most certainly is not the first. Furthermore, the curriculum was never tested. Not one time, not in one school district, before it was rolled out. And that is a tremendous crock of bullshit. For the record, I would not be nearly as pissed if I was given an option. If those who say "it's not so bad, give it a chance" were so confident of their position, they would have no problem supporting a voucher system, to allow anyone who wanted to send their children elsewhere. But they don't. They hold people hostage, and that most assuredly is not a sign of something which is "good" or that "people want".

I can count on one of those "big blocks" the amount of problems my daughter has done in school and for homework, in order to learn math. And that's bullshit, when it is mixed in with all the nonsense I have posted throughout this year.

There are options.........Parochial School, Charter Schools, Private Schools and Home Schooling. Take your pick.
Some Charter Schools are far worse than public school and some are far better, few are the same. Parochial Schools always include the study of their religion. Private Schools usually have a goal and usually provide a good education with lots of attention to the students. Home schooling reduces some social interaction and is quite often very narrow minded.

It speaks quite highly of you in that you seem to care about your children's education and if you were more positive about it your children would be more eager to learn. It is you that is fighting the system, teach regular math at home and let them learn hoo doo voo doo at school.[/quote]


I do. We spend an average of 45 minutes a day, outside of any schoolwork/homework. My youngest gets pissed because she DOES understand it, when taught normally. Then at school, it's all undone, because her knowing that "9+4=13" isn't god enough, and she has to demonstrate two ways to do it, using "making tens" and "regrouping" or some such shit. I'm honestly about two steps away from home schooling.

As for options, I do, but a lot don't. Why should a parent have to pay for an education they don't use, in addition for paying for one they want? If the public school product was any good, they would support the voucher system. But the fact that they fight it tooth and nail speaks volumes.

As for my negativity, I assure you, it is brought about by having frustrated kids coming home, who KNEW how to do something which we taught them, but which the school has "untaught". They love to learn. They'll sit and do workbooks which we got from the neighbors (who home school), and read books quite a bit. I certainly don't feel like I should have to fight a battle with the school to prevent them from making my kids dumber.

Perhaps if you were more positive about Obama, he'd be more eager to be a better president. Isn't that what you're saying?

[aunt betty]

The purpose of public schools is to supply cannon fodder to the military and cheap labor to corporate.

How smart do you have to be to sit and watch a machine put caps on bottles and refill the cap magazine before it gets empty?

[Woody]

32-20=?

Use four different ways to solve and explain your steps.

I heard that one on the radio the other day. It is a 2nd grade math problem from common core.

The fuck does that mean? There is only one way to do 32-20=?, and that is 32-20. That's like asking for four different ways to fill cup of water from the faucet, with cold water and no ice in a small cup.

This is no joke, I know one of the possible answers turns out to be...

15+5=20
and
15+15=30
and
30+2=32
and
5+15+2=22
and
22+10=32
and
20+2 =22
and
10+2=12
so
32-20=12

[Eric Haynes]

I'm not going to bother explaining how the "common core" math works because it's clear that you don't want it to. It's also been taught this way for at least 20 years, so it's not just "common core" they adopted it. I remember you bitching about teachers not being good enough over on the other forum and not being held accountable, if my memory serves me right. Well, guess what? Now they are. They are rated on how well the student does with the new curriculum that they didn't even write. I don't know a single teacher that is happy about "common core" requirements and how far advanced it is compared to what was being taught for those age levels. On top of that, having their jobs depend on the kids "getting it." Isn't that what you wanted? Teacher accountability?

The whole "common core" thing to me is is pretty stupid as all kids arent the same, but seriously....the math portion is easy. Been taught the same way in advanced schools forever, so it's nothing new, yet thats what parents seem to struggle with.

[aunt betty]

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[Woody]

I'm not going to bother explaining how the "common core" math works because it's clear that you don't want it to. It's also been taught this way for at least 20 years, so it's not just "common core" they adopted it. I remember you bitching about teachers not being good enough over on the other forum and not being held accountable, if my memory serves me right. Well, guess what? Now they are. They are rated on how well the student does with the new curriculum that they didn't even write. I don't know a single teacher that is happy about "common core" requirements and how far advanced it is compared to what was being taught for those age levels. On top of that, having their jobs depend on the kids "getting it." Isn't that what you wanted? Teacher accountability?

The whole "common core" thing to me is is pretty stupid as all kids arent the same, but seriously....the math portion is easy. Been taught the same way in advanced schools forever, so it's nothing new, yet thats what parents seem to struggle with.

I went to a good private school in elementary and this is not how we learned.

[Eric Haynes]

32-20=?

Use four different ways to solve and explain your steps.

I heard that one on the radio the other day. It is a 2nd grade math problem from common core.

The fuck does that mean? There is only one way to do 32-20=?, and that is 32-20. That's like asking for four different ways to fill cup of water from the faucet, with cold water and no ice in a small cup.

This is no joke, I know one of the possible answers turns out to be...

15+5=20
and
15+15=30
and
30+2=32
and
5+15+2=22
and
22+10=32
and
20+2 =22
and
10+2=12
so
32-20=12

Pretty sure another method would be:

take 2 "10's" away from 32 and get 12
then take 0 "1's" away from 12 and get 12

Say the question was 435-213:

Take 2 "100's" away from 400 and get 235
Take 1 "10" from 30 and get 225
Take 3 "1's" away from 5 and get 222

[Eric Haynes]

I'm not going to bother explaining how the "common core" math works because it's clear that you don't want it to. It's also been taught this way for at least 20 years, so it's not just "common core" they adopted it. I remember you bitching about teachers not being good enough over on the other forum and not being held accountable, if my memory serves me right. Well, guess what? Now they are. They are rated on how well the student does with the new curriculum that they didn't even write. I don't know a single teacher that is happy about "common core" requirements and how far advanced it is compared to what was being taught for those age levels. On top of that, having their jobs depend on the kids "getting it." Isn't that what you wanted? Teacher accountability?

The whole "common core" thing to me is is pretty stupid as all kids arent the same, but seriously....the math portion is easy. Been taught the same way in advanced schools forever, so it's nothing new, yet thats what parents seem to struggle with.

I went to a good private school in elementary and this is not how we learned.

I said adavnced, not private. The only private school here is now closing, because it sucked. Nothing advanced about it...just private.

[Woody]

32-20=?

Use four different ways to solve and explain your steps.

I heard that one on the radio the other day. It is a 2nd grade math problem from common core.

The fuck does that mean? There is only one way to do 32-20=?, and that is 32-20. That's like asking for four different ways to fill cup of water from the faucet, with cold water and no ice in a small cup.

This is no joke, I know one of the possible answers turns out to be...

15+5=20
and
15+15=30
and
30+2=32
and
5+15+2=22
and
22+10=32
and
20+2 =22
and
10+2=12
so
32-20=12

Pretty sure another method would be:

take 2 "10's" away from 32 and get 12
then take 0 "1's" away from 12 and get 12

Say the question was 435-213:

Take 2 "100's" away from 400 and get 235
Take 1 "10" from 30 and get 225
Take 3 "1's" away from 5 and get 222

Okay, that's cool!

Why not teach them...
32
-20
12

steps...
2-0=2
3-2=1


Or I guess you could keep over complicating it and using addition to solve subtraction.


How do you propose we teach them this: sinh(x) = ( ex - e-x )/2?

[aunt betty]

32-20=?

Use four different ways to solve and explain your steps.

I heard that one on the radio the other day. It is a 2nd grade math problem from common core.

The fuck does that mean? There is only one way to do 32-20=?, and that is 32-20. That's like asking for four different ways to fill cup of water from the faucet, with cold water and no ice in a small cup.

This is no joke, I know one of the possible answers turns out to be...

15+5=20
and
15+15=30
and
30+2=32
and
5+15+2=22
and
22+10=32
and
20+2 =22
and
10+2=12
so
32-20=12

Pretty sure another method would be:

take 2 "10's" away from 32 and get 12
then take 0 "1's" away from 12 and get 12

Say the question was 435-213:

Take 2 "100's" away from 400 and get 235
Take 1 "10" from 30 and get 225
Take 3 "1's" away from 5 and get 222

You're expecting second graders to understand the distributive property..(algebra)

Its the correct and easy way but...you have to crawl before you walk and walk before you run.
Expecting second graders to run algebra math-laps and think in algebraic terms is dumb yet that's the plan. If it works...brilliant.

It will fail. We shall see.

[Woody]

I'm not going to bother explaining how the "common core" math works because it's clear that you don't want it to. It's also been taught this way for at least 20 years, so it's not just "common core" they adopted it. I remember you bitching about teachers not being good enough over on the other forum and not being held accountable, if my memory serves me right. Well, guess what? Now they are. They are rated on how well the student does with the new curriculum that they didn't even write. I don't know a single teacher that is happy about "common core" requirements and how far advanced it is compared to what was being taught for those age levels. On top of that, having their jobs depend on the kids "getting it." Isn't that what you wanted? Teacher accountability?

The whole "common core" thing to me is is pretty stupid as all kids arent the same, but seriously....the math portion is easy. Been taught the same way in advanced schools forever, so it's nothing new, yet thats what parents seem to struggle with.

I went to a good private school in elementary and this is not how we learned.

I said adavnced, not private. The only private school here is now closing, because it sucked. Nothing advanced about it...just private.

Where you live must be an enigma, for the rest of the country private school students out perform public school students by leaps and bounds.

[aunt betty]

I'm not going to bother explaining how the "common core" math works because it's clear that you don't want it to. It's also been taught this way for at least 20 years, so it's not just "common core" they adopted it. I remember you bitching about teachers not being good enough over on the other forum and not being held accountable, if my memory serves me right. Well, guess what? Now they are. They are rated on how well the student does with the new curriculum that they didn't even write. I don't know a single teacher that is happy about "common core" requirements and how far advanced it is compared to what was being taught for those age levels. On top of that, having their jobs depend on the kids "getting it." Isn't that what you wanted? Teacher accountability?

The whole "common core" thing to me is is pretty stupid as all kids arent the same, but seriously....the math portion is easy. Been taught the same way in advanced schools forever, so it's nothing new, yet thats what parents seem to struggle with.

I went to a good private school in elementary and this is not how we learned.

I said adavnced, not private. The only private school here is now closing, because it sucked. Nothing advanced about it...just private.

Where you live must be an enigma, for the rest of the country private school students out perform public school students by leaps and bounds.

Black Amish private schools suck. Eric's school is closing. lol

[Eric Haynes]

You're expecting second graders to understand the distributive property..(algebra)

Its the correct and easy way but...you have to crawl before you walk and walk before you run.
Expecting second graders to run algebra math-laps and think in algebraic terms is dumb yet that's the plan. If it works...brilliant.

It will fail. We shall see.

I agree with you, but I think we are underestimating kids. They are giving it until 2022 here in NY to become effective. Even if it isn't as effective as they planned, they say the students will still be beyond what they would have known in the normal curriculum, even at the worst case scenario.

[aunt betty]

I understood this stuff in second grade but it was because I had a mobile home set up in the school playground. College kids taught me algebra and some calc..in second grade.
I would not expect all kids to get special math help like that.

They bribed me with candy or I would have never participated. I wanted to play cowboys and indians, cops n robbers, or army.
Fuck school.

[Woody]

You're expecting second graders to understand the distributive property..(algebra)

Its the correct and easy way but...you have to crawl before you walk and walk before you run.
Expecting second graders to run algebra math-laps and think in algebraic terms is dumb yet that's the plan. If it works...brilliant.

It will fail. We shall see.

I agree with you, but I think we are underestimating kids. They are giving it until 2022 here in NY to become effective. Even if it isn't as effective as they planned, they say the students will still be beyond what they would have known in the normal curriculum, even at the worst case scenario.

So, nearly 10 years worth of NY students might be completely useless. Sweet! we are experimenting on a huge scale, I don't know if you know the normal scientific process for experimentation, but this is not it.