gila-river wrote:Great, now the cops want to install dishwashers to. Just do your job Red and stop encroaching on our rights to replace appliances. That is not the responsibility of police.:lol:
Redbeard wrote:Some touching stuff in this interview. Curious to hear from anyone who's walked in those shoes, close to it, or known anyone who has.
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gila-river wrote:Great, now the cops want to install dishwashers to. Just do your job Red and stop encroaching on our rights to replace appliances. That is not the responsibility of police.:lol:
gila-river wrote:Great, now the cops want to install dishwashers to. Just do your job Red and stop encroaching on our rights to replace appliances. That is not the responsibility of police.:lol:
gila-river wrote:Great, now the cops want to install dishwashers to. Just do your job Red and stop encroaching on our rights to replace appliances. That is not the responsibility of police.:lol:
Redbeard wrote:Thanks Tim. What did I do wrong? The code looked longer than it usually does
gila-river wrote:Great, now the cops want to install dishwashers to. Just do your job Red and stop encroaching on our rights to replace appliances. That is not the responsibility of police.:lol:
I would in no way hold a journalist in high regard, especially compared to combat troops. But if he was there and if he did spend time observing these troops, what're your thoughts on the observations he made in the interview?waterfowlman wrote:Sebastian Junger has never run to the sound of the guns. He has no right to talk about. Fuck him.
gila-river wrote:Great, now the cops want to install dishwashers to. Just do your job Red and stop encroaching on our rights to replace appliances. That is not the responsibility of police.:lol:
Of course there's a brotherhood amongst those groups, but I wouldn't downplay the bond and brotherhood amongst combat veteransRonE wrote:I think that the way he puts it, it is an over simplification. We see the same behavior that he illuminates in Motorcycle gangs, street gangs, prisons and to some extent in police and fire departments.
In part, when you are in or at war, your first goal is to stay alive or win. All the bullshit goes out the window, you have something to do or nothing to do but you seldom have bullshit. Away from war and "back in the world" (as we used to say) you are under tremendous pressure, by comparison, to conform, to obey, to produce and to "fit in". All of these things go to the back burner when you are in the shit.
gila-river wrote:Great, now the cops want to install dishwashers to. Just do your job Red and stop encroaching on our rights to replace appliances. That is not the responsibility of police.:lol:
Redbeard wrote:I would in no way hold a journalist in high regard, especially compared to combat troops. But if he was there and if he did spend time observing these troops, what're your thoughts on the observations he made in the interview?waterfowlman wrote:Sebastian Junger has never run to the sound of the guns. He has no right to talk about. Fuck him.
Redbeard wrote:I would in no way hold a journalist in high regard, especially compared to combat troops. But if he was there and if he did spend time observing these troops, what're your thoughts on the observations he made in the interview?waterfowlman wrote:Sebastian Junger has never run to the sound of the guns. He has no right to talk about. Fuck him.
Even with no obvious combat experience, I agree wholeheartedly. When I watched the video, I interpreted his comments as his observations of the troops, not implications that he shared their experiences with them. If he did imply that maybe I missed it and need to rematch itassateague wrote:Redbeard wrote:I would in no way hold a journalist in high regard, especially compared to combat troops. But if he was there and if he did spend time observing these troops, what're your thoughts on the observations he made in the interview?waterfowlman wrote:Sebastian Junger has never run to the sound of the guns. He has no right to talk about. Fuck him.
Ok, my caveat- I've never been in combat for anything close to an extended period of time. But I have been shot at and shot back a few times. That being said, I think the biggest thing is that he can leave at any time. Or simply hide in a hole. I'm not discounting his experiences at all, but when you have the leisure of saying "enough" as your ace in the hole, even if you never use it, it's going to filter your perceptions quite a bit. I think he's close, but it goes quite a bit deeper than that.
gila-river wrote:Great, now the cops want to install dishwashers to. Just do your job Red and stop encroaching on our rights to replace appliances. That is not the responsibility of police.:lol:
gila-river wrote:Great, now the cops want to install dishwashers to. Just do your job Red and stop encroaching on our rights to replace appliances. That is not the responsibility of police.:lol:
i hear what you're saying and agree he nor anyone else directly involved can ever know what those soldiers know. But I just didn't get that he was talking about his own combat experiences or feelings about combat so much as he was discussing what he observed while living with these soldiers. And yea he can't observe those moments before they were deployed. And he won't observe all those moments after their deployment. But it seemed he painted a decent picture of the bond between the men while deployed and their shared experience of having no choice but to be there. Well anyhow that's kinda how I saw it.assateague wrote:When he speaks of being scared before and after, in some piece of his mind, he knows that he can say "check, please" at any time and go home. He doesn't HAVE to keep going back, again and again, even if he does. What he is describing is from the outside looking in, even if he's very, very close to the glass, so to speak. It's not necessarily about those particular moments- it's about all the moments and shared experiences leading up to those moments, as well. It's not just the shared experience of being shot at, it's the shared experiences which all had together before those moments, also. He seems to see it as a "this is what forged those bonds" type of deal, but it's more than that. It's the shared experience of having no choice but to be there, of all the moments preceding it, and of all the moments afterward.
Like Rick said, I'm sure there are some who feed off the adrenalin, but it's more the connection with the others, at least for me. More so than just the chemical dump. To love and care about others that deeply isn't really a product of a firefight or a deployment, but of a life of shared misery, shared fun times, shared disgust, shared hatred, and so on. The realization that you're all there, you can't leave, and all the times which led up to that point.
Not sure if that makes sense or not.
gila-river wrote:Great, now the cops want to install dishwashers to. Just do your job Red and stop encroaching on our rights to replace appliances. That is not the responsibility of police.:lol:
ok I gotcha. And you definitely could be rightassateague wrote:I think it's a very good picture, I just don't think his reasons are exactly right.
gila-river wrote:Great, now the cops want to install dishwashers to. Just do your job Red and stop encroaching on our rights to replace appliances. That is not the responsibility of police.:lol:
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