Ericdc wrote:SpinnerMan wrote:Ericdc wrote:Deltaman wrote:"What do you think all the Russia investigation of Trump is? The losers are pissed, so they demand something. So there is a great big show of doing nothing while appearing to do something. There is nothing they can do, but that would give them a headache, so the big show of doing something that in the end is nothing. All those Obamacare repeals when Obama was President. Big show and now when they have no choice but to do something, they crap their pants because they have spent a lifetime mastering the art of appearing to do a lot while having to do nothing at all."
Damn good analogy Spinner!!!!!
Yea they're all pretty much the same. I converted to libertarian haha.
The Libertarians are the ultimate in the look busy, do nothing. While the philosophy has a fairly large following, they almost never win anything. I left them decades ago when I realized all that L stood for was loser.
What's so frustrating is that if the libertarians would run in the Democrat and Republican primaries, they could win and have a real positive impact as a few high profile examples have done. Instead it is the party of has-been's and never-will-be's. They exemplify the great skill of every backseat driver that is afraid to take the wheel.
They've tried and the establishment rejected them. Like Ron Paul and his son Rand. We'll see, but republicans have become democrat-lite on most issues, especially spending.
I think they'll continue to build the party especially among younger folks.
So far the R's are really crapping their pants with the excellent opportunity they have to make changes
That's my point. Very, very few have done what Rand and Ron Paul have done. Yet look at the influence just those two have had. Now imagine if even 10 more had run in Republican primaries and won seats. Of course the establishment will reject them. You must defeat them. You have to win elections and not build a party of young folks that waste their time and energy on a bunch of losers. The Paul's showed the path to making a difference.
Most of the past libertarian party candidates have showed the path to being spoilers and electing Democrat-heavy instead of Democrat-lite. The practical result being of moving things even further in the opposite direction that they desire.
They really do need to start looking ahead and not be obsessed with labels.
Run as a libertarian in the Republican or Democrat primaries where they will actual win a meaningful number of elections and be able to influence the nation in a positive direction. Just think what 5 Rand Paul's in the Senate and 25 Ron Paul's in the House could have done. We'd have a balanced budget most likely. We'd have far less stupid laws and regulations. We wouldn't have the small decentralized government we should, but we'd be vastly better than we are today.
I heard the exact same thing 25 years ago when I called myself a libertarian. They've been on this failed path for well over a quarter century. But they'll get to it tomorrow
The establishment has no desire to change. It will take a pitchfork up their asses and a big part of that is well qualified, articulate small government/libertarian types running in the primaries putting the fear of losing their cushy positions into them. It won't take a lot and they will be hated. The establishment won't just reject them. They will spit venom at them and do whatever it takes to destroy them. This is politics. This isn't preaching to the choir. This is trying to defeat organized criminal enterprises that have 10's of billions if not 100's of billions of dollars per year of graft and corruption to protect.
But if you just want to go around and make speeches to adoring audience of young libertarians. Be a minor celebrity, smoke some weed, maybe bang some young hottie fans, ... Then that is the libertarian party that has existed for generations and produced nothing but a perpetual look busy and do nothing political movement.
It really disappoints me because I see such potential and while I do not consider myself a libertarian over all, I agree with a large fraction of what most libertarians do. They could be a powerful positive influence. They just have to decide they want to win elections and that requires running in the Democrat and Republican primaries like the Paul's. You will still be rejected, but you cannot be ignored as they are now.