johnc wrote:I have no doubt after seeing that video that "refuge" areas to the North are playing a part in this---it will take federal action to alter that
Rick wrote:Reckon they could complain about our refuges limiting reverse migrations.
DComeaux wrote:The more I think about and discuss this the more I'm leaning to a stopping scenario. If the duck gurus during the BP spill thought it was possible to short stop or change migration routes, this gets has got me wondering. Build it and they will come, or stop, depending on your intentions.
DComeaux wrote:I feel the same John, but we have an issue.
DComeaux wrote: We just don't have the big picture in front of us. Do the Flyway states work together on migration issues? I have a lot of questions, just don't know who'll have the answers. I would love to be more involved with this Issue.
Darren wrote:I've seen the data, as you've shared to all who would listen (or not), and am certainly not one to disregard it. The numbers just don't lie, even when what is perceived on a given day at a given blind might attempt to temporarily discredit it. So that's what we have now, some have big hunts and think all is well, others have slow hunts and think sky has already fallen. Answer is somewhere in between, I suppose.
Learned to hiny down there, starting when I was 12. We leased the old Willis Oehler club and had our own private club. Stayed in a run down trailer across the road.
Will never forget watching the geese pour out of the refuge at 3:05 and pile into our field. The last 3 days when you could hunt until dark were always crazy!
Wish it was still like that, nothing like it anymore that I'm aware of.
Rick wrote:None of that should be read as pointed at Darren or anyone else in particular, just used the quote as a jumping-off point for my little rant.
Ducaholic wrote:
Rick...I don't know anyone with half their wits that thinks we can or should even try to force others to stop what they are doing successfully to give us back what we once had.
Lreynolds wrote:DComeaux wrote:The more I think about and discuss this the more I'm leaning to a stopping scenario. If the duck gurus during the BP spill thought it was possible to short stop or change migration routes, this gets has got me wondering. Build it and they will come, or stop, depending on your intentions.
Be careful with that logic. The duck gurus in Louisiana told the NRCS in the first teleconference that initiated the Migratory Bird Habitat Initiative that it would not work. I personally told the head of NRCS with dozens of others on the call that the dominant species that winter in oil-effected habitats of SE LA would not be stopped by shallow-flooded agricultural habitat. And what happened? SE LA wintered twice the long-term average number of ducks in 2010-11. Why? Because we ran every freshwater diversion at capacity starting in late-April, and we had fantastic habitat conditions.
Ericdc wrote:Like the Louisiana waterfowl alliance or whatever it was
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Ducaholic wrote:Ericdc wrote:Like the Louisiana waterfowl alliance or whatever it was
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Not at all. LWA was a org. of much older gentlemen and none of them used the internet as a platform.
DComeaux wrote:Lreynolds wrote:DComeaux wrote:The more I think about and discuss this the more I'm leaning to a stopping scenario. If the duck gurus during the BP spill thought it was possible to short stop or change migration routes, this gets has got me wondering. Build it and they will come, or stop, depending on your intentions.
Be careful with that logic. The duck gurus in Louisiana told the NRCS in the first teleconference that initiated the Migratory Bird Habitat Initiative that it would not work. I personally told the head of NRCS with dozens of others on the call that the dominant species that winter in oil-effected habitats of SE LA would not be stopped by shallow-flooded agricultural habitat. And what happened? SE LA wintered twice the long-term average number of ducks in 2010-11. Why? Because we ran every freshwater diversion at capacity starting in late-April, and we had fantastic habitat conditions.
Larry, I want you to know that in no way was this aimed at you, and my choice of words was poor. What I was trying to convey is that the idea of changing the migration must be plausible if those who's job it is, is wrapped around nothing but ducks, day in and day out. All we get is one liners in most articles and we hear nothing else about it. Thanks for your input.
I'm pretty sure the dominant species for that oil affected area would be divers. We need many more fresh water diversions along the coast. The one in the works that will directly affect my current blind has hit a budgetary road block. This I found out through an email a few weeks ago. It was supposed to start last February, but is now back in engineering to see where cuts could be made, and I'd assume the offshore dredging may have put it over.
The wife and I made a trip to the camp in Chenier this morning to check on things. I took a route going that took us south of Kaplan, through Pecan Island to Chenier. Coming home we did the Creole, big burns run north, than east through Bell City, Hayes, Thornwell, Lake Arthur, and Gueydan. We didn't see much of anything. Few BW along the road in Chenier, and the burns had a few bundles of coot, diver mix. Saw a few groups of pintail near Thornwell. I would have loved to run the marsh for a better view of things.
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