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Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:14 pmby capt1972
Olly, his nickname needs to be "Master of Disguise".
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:20 amby Olly
Haha Troy sure can afford a nice boat.
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Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:44 pmby 3legged_lab
How fast will the cow chug along with that long tail?
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:30 amby Duplex Lover
About 10 mph in deep water and 16 mph in 4" of water with an average load of Decoys and two people
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:48 pmby 3legged_lab
Thats actually not bad for a boat/motor combo of that size.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:33 pmby Olly
I have a 25 LT and can do 16mph totally empty and 13 or so loaded down. On a 16ft bass tracker.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:38 pmby 3legged_lab
I had a 27 fuel injected long tail on my hoss of a boat and could get 16 mph empty in shallow water, and loaded it was usually 10-11 in deep water and 13-14 in the shallows. All of these speeds were gps.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:03 pmby obxbufflehead
Can I be in on this or is it long tails only.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:50 amby DeadEye_Dan
I've never operated or been in a boat with a surface drive.
Can someone explain why it's faster in shallow water than deep water?
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:31 pmby Goldfish
DeadEye_Dan wrote:I've never operated or been in a boat with a surface drive.
Can someone explain why it's faster in shallow water than deep water?
I think it has something to do with you can't push the water down out of the way (since there is a bottom to stop the downward flow), so the boat rides higher in the water aka less drag, but I'm not a docter.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:10 pmby JGUN
Goldfish wrote:DeadEye_Dan wrote:I've never operated or been in a boat with a surface drive.
Can someone explain why it's faster in shallow water than deep water?
I think it has something to do with you can't push the water down out of the way (since there is a bottom to stop the downward flow), so the boat rides higher in the water aka less drag, but I'm not a docter.
But I stayed at a holiday inn express.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:20 pmby Bufflehead
DeadEye_Dan wrote:I've never operated or been in a boat with a surface drive.
Can someone explain why it's faster in shallow water than deep water?
all boats will run faster in shallower water.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 9:24 pmby obxbufflehead
Bufflehead wrote:DeadEye_Dan wrote:I've never operated or been in a boat with a surface drive.
Can someone explain why it's faster in shallow water than deep water?
all boats will run faster in shallower water.
Even my big ass duck boat does.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:14 amby 3legged_lab
DeadEye_Dan wrote:I've never operated or been in a boat with a surface drive.
Can someone explain why it's faster in shallow water than deep water?
Hydraulics
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Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:02 amby DeadEye_Dan
I must be retarded, because I'm not following.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 5:23 amby DeadEye_Dan
Never-mind. I went and found some answers.
It really depends on the hull shape more than anything, but I got an explanation as to why mud boats run faster in shallow water.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:22 amby Goldfish
So... what is the reason?
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:27 amby capt1972
A pressure wave is generated under the boat when its moving. In shallow water waves get taller because this is the only direction they have to go. This wave raises the boat higher in the water causing less drag on the hull thus allowing the boat to travel faster with the same amount of forward thrust.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:29 amby Goldfish
So what I pulled out of my a... I was pretty close in my description?
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:31 amby capt1972
Goldfish wrote:So what I pulled out of my a... I was pretty close in my description?
Haha, I didn't even see your post. Great minds think alike!
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:32 amby obxbufflehead
capt1972 wrote:A pressure wave is generated under the boat when its moving. In shallow water waves get taller because this is the only direction they have to go. This wave raises the boat higher in the water causing less drag on the hull thus allowing the boat to travel faster with the same amount of forward thrust.
I have one problem whit what you just said. In shallow water haves are not always bigger. In fact, they are usually smaller. If you have a 15mph wind blowing 1 mile over an area that is 5' deep and the same wind blowing 1 mile over an area that is 3"-10" deep, that waves in the 5' area will be much larger because the water has more room to get pushed down and get bigger.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:34 amby capt1972
obxbufflehead wrote:capt1972 wrote:A pressure wave is generated under the boat when its moving. In shallow water waves get taller because this is the only direction they have to go. This wave raises the boat higher in the water causing less drag on the hull thus allowing the boat to travel faster with the same amount of forward thrust.
I have one problem whit what you just said. In shallow water haves are not always bigger. In fact, they are usually smaller. If you have a 15mph wind blowing 1 mile over an area that is 5' deep and the same wind blowing 1 mile over an area that is 3"-10" deep, that waves in the 5' area will be much larger because the water has more room to get pushed down and get bigger.
Not wind waves, pressure waves. Think sunami.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:38 amby obxbufflehead
capt1972 wrote:obxbufflehead wrote:capt1972 wrote:A pressure wave is generated under the boat when its moving. In shallow water waves get taller because this is the only direction they have to go. This wave raises the boat higher in the water causing less drag on the hull thus allowing the boat to travel faster with the same amount of forward thrust.
I have one problem whit what you just said. In shallow water haves are not always bigger. In fact, they are usually smaller. If you have a 15mph wind blowing 1 mile over an area that is 5' deep and the same wind blowing 1 mile over an area that is 3"-10" deep, that waves in the 5' area will be much larger because the water has more room to get pushed down and get bigger.
Not wind waves, pressure waves. Think sunami.
Oh ok. I feel like an idiot now.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:44 amby capt1972
obxbufflehead wrote:capt1972 wrote:obxbufflehead wrote:capt1972 wrote:A pressure wave is generated under the boat when its moving. In shallow water waves get taller because this is the only direction they have to go. This wave raises the boat higher in the water causing less drag on the hull thus allowing the boat to travel faster with the same amount of forward thrust.
I have one problem whit what you just said. In shallow water haves are not always bigger. In fact, they are usually smaller. If you have a 15mph wind blowing 1 mile over an area that is 5' deep and the same wind blowing 1 mile over an area that is 3"-10" deep, that waves in the 5' area will be much larger because the water has more room to get pushed down and get bigger.
Not wind waves, pressure waves. Think sunami.
Oh ok. I feel like an idiot now.
actually your example explains it also. Where the bigger waves in the deeper water meet the shallow water they will get taller and "break". When they break, they loose their energy. Thats why the waves are shorter in the shallows.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:48 amby obxbufflehead
capt1972 wrote:obxbufflehead wrote:capt1972 wrote:obxbufflehead wrote:capt1972 wrote:A pressure wave is generated under the boat when its moving. In shallow water waves get taller because this is the only direction they have to go. This wave raises the boat higher in the water causing less drag on the hull thus allowing the boat to travel faster with the same amount of forward thrust.
I have one problem whit what you just said. In shallow water haves are not always bigger. In fact, they are usually smaller. If you have a 15mph wind blowing 1 mile over an area that is 5' deep and the same wind blowing 1 mile over an area that is 3"-10" deep, that waves in the 5' area will be much larger because the water has more room to get pushed down and get bigger.
Not wind waves, pressure waves. Think sunami.
Oh ok. I feel like an idiot now.
actually your example explains it also. Where the bigger waves in the deeper water meet the shallow water they will get taller and "break". When they break, they loose their energy. Thats why the waves are shorter in the shallows.
No I was talking about where if the wind started at the same place and(deep and shallow at the same end) and one side of it was deep and the other side was shallow(left and right side) the waves on the deeper side would be bigger.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 10:51 amby capt1972
Same amount of force applied (wind) will transfer the same amount of energy to the water. In deep water the waves will be taller but further apart. In the shallows the waves will be shorter but closer together. The wind is still moving the same amount of water.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 11:01 amby obxbufflehead
capt1972 wrote:Same amount of force applied (wind) will transfer the same amount of energy to the water. In deep water the waves will be taller but further apart. In the shallows the waves will be shorter but closer together. The wind is still moving the same amount of water.
Yes.
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:50 pmby DeadEye_Dan
Re: ain't your Papas bass boat
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Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:58 pmby Goldfish
Well then wtf did you ask us for Mr Google?
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