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New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:58 pmby Woody
Okay, so as I posted before I just bought a new tender boat.
It is a 2000 Starcraft 14 LW in near showroom condition. Only problem is, it is shinny white and polished metal.
I need this bad boy to hide from ducks not attract gold digging biatches, so I need to paint it and that is where my questions start to roll in. I am a novice when it comes to giving something a nice paint job... I do however know the basics (take your time and prep work is everything).
I've spent a couple hours reading about boat painting at the four corners of the internet over the last couple days and it has truly left me more confused than when I started. And with that said I don't know where to start... it has the nice factory paint finish, do I need to remove that with acetone and sanding or can I simply sand that up a bit and spray primer right over top of it?
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:17 pmby Olly
If it's aluminum just use a good etching primer and then spray some parkers boat paint on there. Worked well on the Shiney boat I did.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:22 pmby Woody
Olly wrote:If it's aluminum just use a good etching primer and then spray some parkers boat paint on there. Worked well on the Shiney boat I did.
So, I don't need to strip the paint at all?
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:41 pmby Olly
Woody wrote:Olly wrote:If it's aluminum just use a good etching primer and then spray some parkers boat paint on there. Worked well on the Shiney boat I did.
So, I don't need to strip the paint at all?
I'm sorry I can't see your picture for some reason. If it's got paint already on it I would leave the paint, scuff it up really good and then paint right over it.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:48 pmby NuffDaddy
Woody wrote:Olly wrote:If it's aluminum just use a good etching primer and then spray some parkers boat paint on there. Worked well on the Shiney boat I did.
So, I don't need to strip the paint at all?
If it's got good paint your in luck. Odds are the factory put a better bonding coat on than you can do. Getting paint to bond to paint is easy...paint to aluminum is a little more difficult.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
Posted:
Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:23 pmby FlintRiverFowler
Just rattle can that bitch!
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
Posted:
Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:26 pmby Woody
FlintRiverFowler wrote:Just rattle can that bitch!
No, it's already going to hurt a bit to paint over such a pretty paint job... to rattle can it would damn near kill me.
Its going to be done with a HVLP gun.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:33 pmby Olly
Woody wrote:FlintRiverFowler wrote:Just rattle can that bitch!
No, it's already going to hurt a bit to paint over such a pretty paint job... to rattle can it would damn near kill me.
Its going to be done with a HVLP gun.
Use parkers Duck boat paint I did and it worked awesome.
Just get you a bunch of those green Scotch Brite pads and go to town scuffing it. When you're done scuffing cleaning with alcohol to remove dust and oils from your hands. Remember painting is 90% prep work and 10% painting.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:35 pmby Woody
Olly wrote:Woody wrote:FlintRiverFowler wrote:Just rattle can that bitch!
No, it's already going to hurt a bit to paint over such a pretty paint job... to rattle can it would damn near kill me.
Its going to be done with a HVLP gun.
Use parkers Duck boat paint I did and it worked awesome.
Just get you a bunch of those green Scotch Brite pads and go to town scuffing it. When you're done scuffing cleaning with alcohol to remove dust and oils from your hands. Remember painting is 90% prep work and 10% painting.
Now when you say scuffing... you mean leave the surface roughed up?
Wont that make the finished product less smooth?
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:38 pmby Olly
Woody wrote:Olly wrote:Woody wrote:FlintRiverFowler wrote:Just rattle can that bitch!
No, it's already going to hurt a bit to paint over such a pretty paint job... to rattle can it would damn near kill me.
Its going to be done with a HVLP gun.
Use parkers Duck boat paint I did and it worked awesome.
Just get you a bunch of those green Scotch Brite pads and go to town scuffing it. When you're done scuffing cleaning with alcohol to remove dust and oils from your hands. Remember painting is 90% prep work and 10% painting.
Now when you say scuffing... you mean leave the surface roughed up?
Wont that make the finished product less smooth?
Yea and that's the idea. You want the new paint to have a rough service to adhere to.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:41 pmby Woody
Olly wrote:Woody wrote:Olly wrote:Woody wrote:FlintRiverFowler wrote:Just rattle can that bitch!
No, it's already going to hurt a bit to paint over such a pretty paint job... to rattle can it would damn near kill me.
Its going to be done with a HVLP gun.
Use parkers Duck boat paint I did and it worked awesome.
Just get you a bunch of those green Scotch Brite pads and go to town scuffing it. When you're done scuffing cleaning with alcohol to remove dust and oils from your hands. Remember painting is 90% prep work and 10% painting.
Now when you say scuffing... you mean leave the surface roughed up?
Wont that make the finished product less smooth?
Yea and that's the idea. You want the new paint to have a rough service to adhere to.
So, I need to...
1) rough up the current surface
2) wipe down with alcohol
3) primer
4) sand
5) wipe down with alcohol
6) primer
7) wipe down with alcohol
8) final paint
Are those the right steps?
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:46 pmby aunt betty
Shake, spray. Open another can...repeat. C'mon dude...the instant you say it's a duck boat...it's a duck boat for life.
Just put on your Nike's, buy 12 cans of assorted camo colors and start spraying. You'll know what colors...
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:48 pmby Woody
aunt betty wrote:Shake, spray. Open another can...repeat. C'mon dude...the instant you say it's a duck boat...it's a duck boat for life.
Just put on your Nike's, buy 12 cans of assorted camo colors and start spraying. You'll know what colors...
Nope, I like having nice things and doing stuff the right way... I refuse to use spray paint.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
Posted:
Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:50 pmby Olly
Woody wrote:
1) rough up the current surface
2) wipe down with alcohol
3) primer
4) sand
5) wipe down with alcohol
6) primer
7) wipe down with alcohol
8) final paint
Are those the right steps?
1) Rough up current paint not missing a singke inch.
2) Clean surface of all dirt.
3) Final paint.
No need to shoot primer if you don't want to because the paint on there will act as the base coat. If you are painting any bare aluminum you will need to prime it with a self etching primer. It's a special primer that uses acid to etch the aluminum so it can stick to it.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:53 pmby Woody
Olly wrote:Woody wrote:
1) rough up the current surface
2) wipe down with alcohol
3) primer
4) sand
5) wipe down with alcohol
6) primer
7) wipe down with alcohol
8) final paint
Are those the right steps?
1) Rough up current paint not missing a singke inch.
2) Clean surface of all dirt.
3) Final paint.
No need to shoot primer if you don't want to because the paint on there will act as the base coat. If you are painting any bare aluminum you will need to prime it with a self etching primer. It's a special primer that uses acid to etch the aluminum so it can stick to it.
Some of the boat is bare metal some is painted... guess I will have to mix and match the process up.
Looked up this parker duck boat paint and it looks like it comes in tan or tan... do they make it in green or grey?
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:56 pmby Olly
Woody wrote:Olly wrote:Woody wrote:
1) rough up the current surface
2) wipe down with alcohol
3) primer
4) sand
5) wipe down with alcohol
6) primer
7) wipe down with alcohol
8) final paint
Are those the right steps?
1) Rough up current paint not missing a singke inch.
2) Clean surface of all dirt.
3) Final paint.
No need to shoot primer if you don't want to because the paint on there will act as the base coat. If you are painting any bare aluminum you will need to prime it with a self etching primer. It's a special primer that uses acid to etch the aluminum so it can stick to it.
Some of the boat is bare metal some is painted... guess I will have to mix and match the process up.
Looked up this parker duck boat paint and it looks like it comes in tan or tan... do they make it in green or grey?
Then I would just prime the entire boat.
Yes they make it in lots of colors. I didn't hunter green.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:57 pmby Woody
Olly wrote:Woody wrote:Olly wrote:Woody wrote:
1) rough up the current surface
2) wipe down with alcohol
3) primer
4) sand
5) wipe down with alcohol
6) primer
7) wipe down with alcohol
8) final paint
Are those the right steps?
1) Rough up current paint not missing a singke inch.
2) Clean surface of all dirt.
3) Final paint.
No need to shoot primer if you don't want to because the paint on there will act as the base coat. If you are painting any bare aluminum you will need to prime it with a self etching primer. It's a special primer that uses acid to etch the aluminum so it can stick to it.
Some of the boat is bare metal some is painted... guess I will have to mix and match the process up.
Looked up this parker duck boat paint and it looks like it comes in tan or tan... do they make it in green or grey?
Then I would just prime the entire boat.
Yes they make it in lots of colors. I didn't hunter green.
Cabela's just must not carry the other colors.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
Posted:
Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:00 pmby Olly
Woody wrote:Olly wrote:Woody wrote:Olly wrote:Woody wrote:
1) rough up the current surface
2) wipe down with alcohol
3) primer
4) sand
5) wipe down with alcohol
6) primer
7) wipe down with alcohol
8) final paint
Are those the right steps?
1) Rough up current paint not missing a singke inch.
2) Clean surface of all dirt.
3) Final paint.
No need to shoot primer if you don't want to because the paint on there will act as the base coat. If you are painting any bare aluminum you will need to prime it with a self etching primer. It's a special primer that uses acid to etch the aluminum so it can stick to it.
Some of the boat is bare metal some is painted... guess I will have to mix and match the process up.
Looked up this parker duck boat paint and it looks like it comes in tan or tan... do they make it in green or grey?
Then I would just prime the entire boat.
Yes they make it in lots of colors. I didn't hunter green.
Cabela's just must not carry the other colors.
I called up parkers direct. I did a 16ft boat with a gallon. That was 3 coats.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
Posted:
Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:05 pmby Woody
Did you use a sprayer/gun, Olly?
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:07 pmby MuddyWaterWarlock
Just go to an Auto Parts store and get self etching primer. Take the color you want to the hardware store and have them mix it to your specs. Prep it as stated and paint away.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:07 pmby Olly
Woody wrote:Did you use a sprayer/gun, Olly?
Yup a cheap one from harbor freight.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:15 pmby Woody
From an opinion I read earlier(different site), using self etching primer on existing paint is not a good idea. That should be used on bare metal only and epoxy primer should be used over existing pain.
Is that correct?
If I do that should I feather it together with the epoxy primer over the self etching?
Thanks for the help guys!
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
Posted:
Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:19 pmby assateague
Just get gray automotive primer.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
Posted:
Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:32 pmby Olly
assateague wrote:Just get gray automotive primer.
Does that work on aluminum? I used this.
http://www.eastwood.com/eastwood-s-self ... -gray.html
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:44 pmby assateague
If it's clean, I'd say yes.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:05 pmby Jimw
I used to work in a body shop that did a lot of fire truck repair (aluminum body's) and I've also painted numerous aluminum duck boats. If I were you I would go over the whole boat with 220 grit paper on a DA sander, the bare aluminum parts and also the painted parts. Wipe it all down with wax and grease remover, spray the bare aluminum areas with an acid etch primer, then spray the whole thing with the color of choice. I believe the keys to good paint adhesion to bare aluminum is a rough surface, cleanliness, and acid etch primer. Good luck.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:08 pmby Woody
Jimw wrote:I used to work in a body shop that did a lot of fire truck repair (aluminum body's) and I've also painted numerous aluminum duck boats. If I were you I would go over the whole boat with 220 grit paper on a DA sander, the bare aluminum parts and also the painted parts. Wipe it all down with wax and grease remover, spray the bare aluminum areas with an acid etch primer, then spray the whole thing with the color of choice. I believe the keys to good paint adhesion to bare aluminum is a rough surface, cleanliness, and acid etch primer. Good luck.
Just out of curiosity, have you posted similar advice elsewhere? It sounds awfully familiar to something I read earlier and I believe his name was Jim?
Anyways, thanks for the in put... Welcome, and great first post!
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
Posted:
Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:07 pmby NuffDaddy
Jimw wrote:I used to work in a body shop that did a lot of fire truck repair (aluminum body's) and I've also painted numerous aluminum duck boats. If I were you I would go over the whole boat with 220 grit paper on a DA sander, the bare aluminum parts and also the painted parts. Wipe it all down with wax and grease remover, spray the bare aluminum areas with an acid etch primer, then spray the whole thing with the color of choice. I believe the keys to good paint adhesion to bare aluminum is a rough surface, cleanliness, and acid etch primer. Good luck.
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:09 pmby MuddyWaterWarlock
Woody wrote:Jimw wrote:I used to work in a body shop that did a lot of fire truck repair (aluminum body's) and I've also painted numerous aluminum duck boats. If I were you I would go over the whole boat with 220 grit paper on a DA sander, the bare aluminum parts and also the painted parts. Wipe it all down with wax and grease remover, spray the bare aluminum areas with an acid etch primer, then spray the whole thing with the color of choice. I believe the keys to good paint adhesion to bare aluminum is a rough surface, cleanliness, and acid etch primer. Good luck.
Just out of curiosity, have you posted similar advice elsewhere? It sounds awfully familiar to something I read earlier and I believe his name was Jim?
Anyways, thanks for the in put... Welcome, and great first post!
You probably read it on DHC Woody
Re: New Tender Boat, Question...
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Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:25 amby RonE
Jimw wrote:I used to work in a body shop that did a lot of fire truck repair (aluminum body's) and I've also painted numerous aluminum duck boats. If I were you I would go over the whole boat with 220 grit paper on a DA sander, the bare aluminum parts and also the painted parts. Wipe it all down with wax and grease remover, spray the bare aluminum areas with an acid etch primer, then spray the whole thing with the color of choice. I believe the keys to good paint adhesion to bare aluminum is a rough surface, cleanliness, and acid etch primer. Good luck.
Thanks for the reasonable advice! Welcome to the forum.