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SpinnerMan wrote:I also think having the seasons uniform across most of the flyway would be beneficial. Obviously there is a limit to this for the far north, but Illinois south. Having our first half and second half the same as Louisiana would work out pretty well.
As is, birds that head south are hunted practically nonstop from early September until late January. What do you think is going to happen to that part of the population over a couple decades? Compare that with the part of the population that winters as far north as they can. They are hunted nonstop from early September until mid December in a warm year and late December in cold year. They are hunt a month less and on top of that in areas with a far lower density of hunters. What do you think is going to happen to that part of the population over a couple of decades relative to their brethren that venture far to the south?
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SpinnerMan wrote:
As is, birds that head south are hunted practically nonstop from early September until late January. What do you think is going to [b]happen to that part of the population over a couple decades? Compare that with the part of the population that winters as far north as they can. They are hunted nonstop from early September until mid December in a warm year and late December in cold year. [b]They are hunt a month less and on top of that in areas with a far lower density of hunters. What do you think is going to happen to that part of the population over a couple of decades relative to their brethren that venture far to the south?[/b][/b]
I think the decades of a 60 day season is a major driver in the population shifts. Those that wonder south get shot up longer. Those that roam around as opposed to remain steadfast to their refuges get shot up more. Stay north or stay in the refuge and you will live longer and have more babies. Go south and wonder around the landscape and you are more likely to end up on the dinner table and have less babies.
On top of that, there has been a whole lot of wetlands improvement and construction up north over the last few decades as compared to the wetlands draining and destruction that was so prevalent generations ago. There's one that I drive by almost every day. When I first moved hear in 2002. It was just a big patch of impenetrable phragmites. About 15 years ago, they did a restoration and now it's about 200 acres of prime waterfowl habitat that holds a lot of waterfowl until it freezes solid. These projects are all over the place as well as retention ponds everywhere. They extended one section of the interstate. It is lined with retention ponds that hold a lot of ducks as well. When they freeze, I can go over to the river that never freezes and it is wall to wall ducks as far as you can see up and down the river because you can't hunt in that area.
Duck Engr wrote:SpinnerMan wrote:I also think having the seasons uniform across most of the flyway would be beneficial. Obviously there is a limit to this for the far north, but Illinois south. Having our first half and second half the same as Louisiana would work out pretty well.
As is, birds that head south are hunted practically nonstop from early September until late January. What do you think is going to happen to that part of the population over a couple decades? Compare that with the part of the population that winters as far north as they can. They are hunted nonstop from early September until mid December in a warm year and late December in cold year. They are hunt a month less and on top of that in areas with a far lower density of hunters. What do you think is going to happen to that part of the population over a couple of decades relative to their brethren that venture far to the south?
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100% agree with this. Start northern seasons later. Allow some photo migrators to do so without hearing a gunshot.
Wouldn’t surprise me at all. A lot of money at stake and society seems to have a lot of “I want it all right now” attitudes. Wouldn’t expect duck hunter’s to be any different. I don’t have a gauge of where I would fall in the waterfowler public opinion spectrum, as this forum is about as social as I get about ducks.Ducaholic wrote:Duck Engr wrote:SpinnerMan wrote:I also think having the seasons uniform across most of the flyway would be beneficial. Obviously there is a limit to this for the far north, but Illinois south. Having our first half and second half the same as Louisiana would work out pretty well.
As is, birds that head south are hunted practically nonstop from early September until late January. What do you think is going to happen to that part of the population over a couple decades? Compare that with the part of the population that winters as far north as they can. They are hunted nonstop from early September until mid December in a warm year and late December in cold year. They are hunt a month less and on top of that in areas with a far lower density of hunters. What do you think is going to happen to that part of the population over a couple of decades relative to their brethren that venture far to the south?
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100% agree with this. Start northern seasons later. Allow some photo migrators to do so without hearing a gunshot.
You guys do realize you are in the minority I would think.
Duck Engr wrote:I could certainly think of worse ways to end it! Thanks for the ride, Rick.
Deltaman wrote:Thanks for the log again this year Rick![]()
I'm glad that your new home in CR is working out for the better, and always enjoy hearing of Call's progress.
Do you ever get any reports from your old camp, Doug's?
Rick wrote:Deltaman wrote:Thanks for the log again this year Rick![]()
I'm glad that your new home in CR is working out for the better, and always enjoy hearing of Call's progress.
Do you ever get any reports from your old camp, Doug's?
Between Doug's death and loss of that marsh, Doug's is no more.
Ducaholic wrote:Was the land sold or leased?
Deltaman wrote:I figured the guy that was avoiding you at Doug's funeral had taken over control of it.
Rick wrote:Ducaholic wrote:Was the land sold or leased?
but you'd still have to deal with the fellow who took control of the land access after his father's death, which has queered any possible sales to date, as well a leasing possibilities. Is my understanding he'll not grant access to anyone but his current employers, who apparently got crosswise with the marsh estate's executor.Deltaman wrote:I figured the guy that was avoiding you at Doug's funeral had taken over control of it.
Pretty sure he was hoping to, know he screwed his good friend, Doug, out of another place we had.
Rick wrote:Ducaholic wrote:Was the land sold or leased?
[/quote]DComeaux wrote:[quote="Ducaholic" Seems as though you could sue for the right of way. Was that subject ever broached? Just curious. If you would rather not talk about it so be it.
Ducaholic wrote:DComeaux wrote:[quote="Ducaholic" Seems as though you could sue for the right of way. Was that subject ever broached? Just curious. If you would rather not talk about it so be it.
Rick wrote:The main rub with suing for access is that the marsh can also be reached through the Intracoastal, which negates the "from closest public road" rule for land-locked property access. That, and time that would be lost in the courts cut short legal speculation for an end run based on how long their farm has served as access from Doug's perspective.
Rick wrote:The main rub with suing for access is that the marsh can also be reached through the Intracoastal, which negates the "from closest public road" rule for land-locked property access. That, and time that would be lost in the courts cut short legal speculation for an end run based on how long their farm has served as access from Doug's perspective.
Rick wrote:Someone can always come in off the Intracoastal, but that comes with its own set of issues and expenses.
13051305 wrote:For the life of me I can't understand why your hunter guests refuse to hide from working ducks!
It's on my bucket list to just sit in the blind with you and listen to you call, work the birds.
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