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Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:24 pmby Tomkat
jarbo03 wrote:Tomkat wrote:Jarbo,
Yes. Calling in the top predator and taking him is a unique thrill, and it ain't easy.
Getting a double is very cool.
Getting a double on your birthday?
PRICELESS.
Nothing against upland hunting, I just have found several other things I would rather hunt.
Goes like this, FOR ME
WATERFOWL
Coyotes
Turkey
Upland
Deer
Your thinking is flawed! You know I like busting chops don't ya?:mrgreen::mrgreen:
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Yeah I do. I know you like your upland hunting. I like it to, but just happen to like duck hunting a lot more.
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:43 pmby NuffDaddy
Feelin' Fowl wrote:jarbo03 wrote:Feelin' Fowl wrote:You dog locks up from 20 yards away?
Best. Nose. Ever.
20 yards is no problem for a good dog, have seen lockup points on chickens and sharptails from way further than that.
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Maybe low grasslands, but no way on the chest high crap that we walk through.
If it it's the chest high thick stuff, I'd love to see it.
I hunt aspen, pines, cedar swamps, and river bottoms...but I guarantee if she came across a bird on the downwind side that had been sitting there a while, she would have no problem smelling it at 20+ yards.
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:45 pmby Bootlipkiller
Flightstopper wrote:I would hunt quail but they are too easy to hunt that I might as well hunt with a golden retriever. No challenge.
You would never kill anything
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:21 pmby Feelin' Fowl
NuffDaddy wrote:Feelin' Fowl wrote:jarbo03 wrote:Feelin' Fowl wrote:You dog locks up from 20 yards away?
Best. Nose. Ever.
20 yards is no problem for a good dog, have seen lockup points on chickens and sharptails from way further than that.
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Maybe low grasslands, but no way on the chest high crap that we walk through.
If it it's the chest high thick stuff, I'd love to see it.
I hunt aspen, pines, cedar swamps, and river bottoms...but I guarantee if she came across a bird on the downwind side that had been sitting there a while, she would have no problem smelling it at 20+ yards.
I haven't seen your dog work, so I can't judge her, but I've hunted over some really good dogs that run right around birds in the thick stuff (We find them on the way back). 20 yards in any kind of dense cover would be very impressive. If you think your pup can do that, you should be very proud because you have one hell of a dog!
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:25 pmby Bootlipkiller
Damn FF cut the guy a break. All are dogs do that even mine and its a shitty golden with inferior genetics.
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:26 pmby NuffDaddy
I'm not saying she could do it every time, but under ideal conditions with a "stinky" bird and a consistent breeze Id bet she would pick up a bird at that kind of distance. She is a backyard pup bread from 2 dogs that both were meat dogs. We put minimal training into her, and she is the best dog I've ever hunted over and my dad says the same.
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:32 pmby jarbo03
Most dogs will not point that far away in thick cover due to natural instincts. With experience they will adjust hunting styles to the cover and situation. The closer the dog can be without pressuring the birds, the better. I've had points of 50+ yards in thin cover and a staredown between bird & dog in thick cover. Majority of the time ib thick cover, my dogs let me know they are birdy well before a point is made.
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Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:51 pmby Feelin' Fowl
Bootlipkiller wrote:Damn FF cut the guy a break. All are dogs do that even mine and its a shitty golden with inferior genetics.
Not possible. You may as well have a poodle...
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:52 pmby Feelin' Fowl
jarbo03 wrote:Most dogs will not point that far away in thick cover due to natural instincts. With experience they will adjust hunting styles to the cover and situation. The closer the dog can be without pressuring the birds, the better. I've had points of 50+ yards in thin cover and a staredown between bird & dog in thick cover. Majority of the time ib thick cover, my dogs let me know they are birdy well before a point is made.
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This has been my experience as well. I prefer a birdy dig with a close point. Helps my bead shooting!
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:11 pmby NuffDaddy
My dog jumps like a mule deer when she gets birdy. She is only 40lbs and her shoulders are under my knee. I suppose she does it to get a better look at whatever she is smelling. Its a good indicator to get your gun ready.
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:12 pmby NuffDaddy
Late season grouse around here tend to bust early. I try and get her to get on point and stay there as soon as she seems to pinpoint the smell.
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:14 pmby huntntech
You guys are making me jealous that I've never been on an upland bird hunt.
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:36 pmby jarbo03
NuffDaddy wrote:Late season grouse around here tend to bust early. I try and get her to get on point and stay there as soon as she seems to pinpoint the smell.
Sharpies and chickens get flocked up and are very jumpy birds. Dogs can not pressure them in most of the cover they are found. Scattered chickens in crp can be easy picking at times.
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Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:39 pmby NuffDaddy
All my birds are ruffed grouse. Hold decent in early season cover, but once the leaves come off they will sometimes bust 100+ yards away.
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:01 pmby IndianaMallard64
Tomkat wrote:NuffDaddy wrote:Tomkat wrote:I have killed a huge pile of quail and pheasants in my life.
I never had an upland hunt I enjoyed more than a waterfowl hunt.
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Then your doing it wrong ol man.
Is that a fact? What did I do wrong here?
Was it the amount of birds we shot?
Was it my M2? I blame the Robertsons for that.
Sorry Nuff, I don't think I was 'doing it wrong'.
The FACT is I really, REALLY like waterfowl hunting, a lot more than upland. Come on man, I grew up in freaking Kansas, I was shooting pheasants and quail when I was 12 years old.
It never, ever, was as fun as duck hunting is for me.
This here-
was 10 times more fun than any pheasant hunt I have ever been on, but that was not one of the original questions.
where did u grow up in kansas? do you still live there?
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:06 amby Tomkat
Live in NE Kansas
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Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:16 pmby one2many
Pheasant are the scourge of the midwest i do my part as a land owner to eliminate all their habitat. hunt and kill at will!!!
Tom is wrong about putting song dogs after waterfowl
love upland hunting
biggest thrill i get hunting is watching my mutts run a big cat,wild pig or killing mangy coyotes
everything comes after them
fucking duck fly too fast for me....i suck
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:20 pmby aunt betty
Have killed many pheasants and rabbits. (Gasp)
Yes, have used my duck dog to run rabbits and he will point n flush birds as well.
Wild birds here dont sit so very little pointing is done but...can tell when he is birdy. He gets really sneaky n quiet.
If its a rabbit he tears through cover like a bulldozer. Exagerating but you get the idea.
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:25 pmby Feelin' Fowl
aunt betty wrote:Have killed many pheasants and rabbits. (Gasp)
Yes, have used my duck dog to run rabbits and he will point n flush birds as well.
Wild birds here dont sit so very little pointing is done but...can tell when he is birdy. He gets really sneaky n quiet.
If its a rabbit he tears through cover like a bulldozer. Exagerating but you get the idea.
I find that the pheasant down your way hold pretty well. I've seen some great points on wild birds in central IL.
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:00 amby aunt betty
Feelin' Fowl wrote:aunt betty wrote:Have killed many pheasants and rabbits. (Gasp)
Yes, have used my duck dog to run rabbits and he will point n flush birds as well.
Wild birds here dont sit so very little pointing is done but...can tell when he is birdy. He gets really sneaky n quiet.
If its a rabbit he tears through cover like a bulldozer. Exagerating but you get the idea.
I find that the pheasant down your way hold pretty well. I've seen some great points on wild birds in central IL.
True for opening day and certain conditions like fog and wet. Forget sitting birds after it snows. (In general)
Most of my upland hunts are drainage ditches, waterways, and railroad tracks. Permission? These days it is nearly impossible. Farmers are scared of getting sued despite law that says if you give permission...liability is removed from owner. Pretty mch quit upland to hunt ducks on public.
Re: Pheasant and Quail
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Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:05 amby Goldfish
Hunting the rail road tracks will get you in trouble with the tsa now a days.
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