Daisy cutter air lock????

[NuffDaddy]

Been working on learning my new RNT DC and its an awesome call but I get an air lock every once in a while. It usually happens when I'm doing the choppy cut feed. Like the dig-dig-dig dug-dug dig-dig call. Doesn't happen with the rolling feed digga-digga-digga-digga-digga. Every once in a while it will do it if I get on it with a real hard hail call. Is this something that can be fixed with a little different tuning or is it a part of the call I need to learn to avoid? This is my first single reed and my first high end call so it very well could just be me. And I'm a pretty "wet" caller witch might have something to do with it.


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[rebelp74]

The biggest thing with single reeds is air control. Is it kinda squeaking when you do the feed? If so, that's a good thing. On tuning, take the cork and reed out. Place the reed in all the way. Pull out just a hair, hold it down firmly and slide the cork back in. This will lengthen the reed, it'll make it a little harder to blow but much less likely to air lock. I have a longer than normal reed in most of my calls.

[NuffDaddy]

Thanks! That's what I was thinking too, just wasn't sure.
I'm getting good sounding feed chatter IMO With the exception of of an air lock every once in a while.


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[rebelp74]

Try the longer reed length. It'll allow you to put more air in the call without it locking up. Also, anchor you're the tip of your tongue behind your bottom row of teeth, it'll help cut down on the spit.

[NuffDaddy]

The longer reed worked good. But it don't take much. I only moved it a cunt hair and there was a big difference. I already keep my tongue down. I learned that with the double reeds because I would lock those fuckers right tight with the a few greeting calls if I didn't.


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[rebelp74]

Your right, it doesn't take much at all to change the tone. Now that you've lengthened it, try to blow it out. You'll notice a big difference in the amount of air it can take.

[NuffDaddy]

It takes almost twice as much to blow it out but it doesn't take a ton more to make a good high quack on it. I think I found my happy medium.


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[rebelp74]

[assateague]

The longer reed worked good. But it don't take much. I only moved it a cunt hair and there was a big difference. I already keep my tongue down. I learned that with the double reeds because I would lock those fuckers right tight with the a few greeting calls if I didn't.


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Nothing like blowing a locked up/froze hail call across the marsh at light+30 to make you feel like a jackass.

[NuffDaddy]

The longer reed worked good. But it don't take much. I only moved it a cunt hair and there was a big difference. I already keep my tongue down. I learned that with the double reeds because I would lock those fuckers right tight with the a few greeting calls if I didn't.


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Nothing like blowing a locked up/froze hail call across the marsh at light+30 to make you feel like a jackass.

:lol: done that before???


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[assateague]

Allegedly.

[assateague]

Hopefully people just thought a donkey was getting ass-raped, and not that there was some dummy on a call.

[NuffDaddy]

If the birds aren't flying I've been know to do a little "practicing"
A donkey getting ass raped kind of sums it up.


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[aunt betty]

If you want to understand duck calls and what does what...
I can tell you what to read about.

There are two things:
Natural Frequency
The way a pendulum works.

It's a physics lesson. Sorry.

When you alter the length of the reed (it's a very small pendulum) alters the natural frequency at which it "likes" to vibrate at.
Learn about Natural Frequencies and how a pendulum works...and you know everything there is to know other than how the "bore" affects the volume.

When you lock up a call it's not from blowing too hard (well kinda).
It's from blowing too fast. You might be going "huh"???

When you blow a duck call you can change the volume of air AND THE SPEED.
If you're blowing the same volume of air with every blow...you can change the shape of the inside of your mouth and force the call to lock. Cajun Squeel is basically doing this but maintaining just enough speed to squeek but not lock the call.

How I control the volume and speed when I call...is with my voice-box. I hum, grunt, whatever.
Once you start doing the grunting thing...you will find that all the locking of reed problems go away.
Why? Because you set up a certain frequency with your voice.

In other words...the air is vibrating before it even gets to the reed. This HELPS the call get going AND forces it to change frequencies because of the air "force" being choppy. If you aren't using voice into the call...you're doing it wrong and that is why you have reed-lock problems. Get it?

You will never, ever hear another mechanical engineer give a lecture on the physics of a duck call...PAY ME!

[NuffDaddy]

:lol:
I kinda understand how the tuning works but I just wanted to make sure what I had to do to reduce the likelihood of air lock. I do put quite a bit of voice into my call. I learned that on the double reed. What I am figuring out now is that you can change the way a call sound by either having the tone board at the top of the barrel or at the bottom of the barrel. I can get some good high pitched squeals out of my DC if I put the insert to the top and blow the air into the bottom of the barrel. And the opposite if the insert is at the bottom. I get the good deep raspy quacks of a boss hen. It's amazing all the noises you can get out if one single reed call.


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[TheWrathPrince]

The biggest thing with single reeds is air control. Is it kinda squeaking when you do the feed? If so, that's a good thing. On tuning, take the cork and reed out. Place the reed in all the way. Pull out just a hair, hold it down firmly and slide the cork back in. This will lengthen the reed, it'll make it a little harder to blow but much less likely to air lock. I have a longer than normal reed in most of my calls.

Thanks bro.

[rebelp74]

:lol::lol:
I kinda understand how the tuning works but I just wanted to make sure what I had to do to reduce the likelihood of air lock. I do put quite a bit of voice into my call. I learned that on the double reed. What I am figuring out now is that you can change the way a call sound by either having the tone board at the top of the barrel or at the bottom of the barrel. I can get some good high pitched squeals out of my DC if I put the insert to the top and blow the air into the bottom of the barrel. And the opposite if the insert is at the bottom. I get the good deep raspy quacks of a boss hen. It's amazing all the noises you can get out if one single reed call.


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It's not so much about where the insert is in the barrel as much as air presentation. All you have to do to get the "cajun squeal" is pinch your lips down at the end of each note. Esentially what you are doing is using the air to push the reed up off the toneboard. It causes the reed to kinda lock and that results in the squeal. Just pinch lips down to the position that you would have them if you were drinking from a straw, that usually is all it takes.

[Eric Haynes]

:lol::lol:
I kinda understand how the tuning works but I just wanted to make sure what I had to do to reduce the likelihood of air lock. I do put quite a bit of voice into my call. I learned that on the double reed. What I am figuring out now is that you can change the way a call sound by either having the tone board at the top of the barrel or at the bottom of the barrel. I can get some good high pitched squeals out of my DC if I put the insert to the top and blow the air into the bottom of the barrel. And the opposite if the insert is at the bottom. I get the good deep raspy quacks of a boss hen. It's amazing all the noises you can get out if one single reed call.


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It's not so much about where the insert is in the barrel as much as air presentation. All you have to do to get the "cajun squeal" is pinch your lips down at the end of each note. Esentially what you are doing is using the air to push the reed up off the toneboard. It causes the reed to kinda lock and that results in the squeal. Just pinch lips down to the position that you would have them if you were drinking from a straw, that usually is all it takes.

What if I've never heard a duck do a cajun squeal before?

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[NuffDaddy]

:lol::lol:
I kinda understand how the tuning works but I just wanted to make sure what I had to do to reduce the likelihood of air lock. I do put quite a bit of voice into my call. I learned that on the double reed. What I am figuring out now is that you can change the way a call sound by either having the tone board at the top of the barrel or at the bottom of the barrel. I can get some good high pitched squeals out of my DC if I put the insert to the top and blow the air into the bottom of the barrel. And the opposite if the insert is at the bottom. I get the good deep raspy quacks of a boss hen. It's amazing all the noises you can get out if one single reed call.


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It's not so much about where the insert is in the barrel as much as air presentation. All you have to do to get the "cajun squeal" is pinch your lips down at the end of each note. Esentially what you are doing is using the air to push the reed up off the toneboard. It causes the reed to kinda lock and that results in the squeal. Just pinch lips down to the position that you would have them if you were drinking from a straw, that usually is all it takes.

What if I've never heard a duck do a cajun squeal before?

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Then your in the wrong spot.


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[Goldfish]

:lol::lol:
I kinda understand how the tuning works but I just wanted to make sure what I had to do to reduce the likelihood of air lock. I do put quite a bit of voice into my call. I learned that on the double reed. What I am figuring out now is that you can change the way a call sound by either having the tone board at the top of the barrel or at the bottom of the barrel. I can get some good high pitched squeals out of my DC if I put the insert to the top and blow the air into the bottom of the barrel. And the opposite if the insert is at the bottom. I get the good deep raspy quacks of a boss hen. It's amazing all the noises you can get out if one single reed call.


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It's not so much about where the insert is in the barrel as much as air presentation. All you have to do to get the "cajun squeal" is pinch your lips down at the end of each note. Esentially what you are doing is using the air to push the reed up off the toneboard. It causes the reed to kinda lock and that results in the squeal. Just pinch lips down to the position that you would have them if you were drinking from a straw, that usually is all it takes.

What if I've never heard a duck do a cajun squeal before?

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you ever hear a duck do a ten note high ball?

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[The Duck Hammer]

:lol::lol:
I kinda understand how the tuning works but I just wanted to make sure what I had to do to reduce the likelihood of air lock. I do put quite a bit of voice into my call. I learned that on the double reed. What I am figuring out now is that you can change the way a call sound by either having the tone board at the top of the barrel or at the bottom of the barrel. I can get some good high pitched squeals out of my DC if I put the insert to the top and blow the air into the bottom of the barrel. And the opposite if the insert is at the bottom. I get the good deep raspy quacks of a boss hen. It's amazing all the noises you can get out if one single reed call.


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It's not so much about where the insert is in the barrel as much as air presentation. All you have to do to get the "cajun squeal" is pinch your lips down at the end of each note. Esentially what you are doing is using the air to push the reed up off the toneboard. It causes the reed to kinda lock and that results in the squeal. Just pinch lips down to the position that you would have them if you were drinking from a straw, that usually is all it takes.

What if I've never heard a duck do a cajun squeal before?

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you ever hear a duck do a ten note high ball?


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I have never heard a duck do either one. But I di hear a hen do a string of 40 something quacks today while fishing. Never have heard that before.

[Goldfish]

That's kinda my point. You may not have heard it before, but birds do that (not the 10 note highball, just other sounds)

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[rebelp74]

I've heard several ducks squeal out the end of their notes. Wild mallards that were eating pecans, acorns, rice, corn, millet. Also my pet mallards when they got a throat full if corn, squeal. Sometimes there is no quack, just a squealing, almost whistling type of sound.

[Eric Haynes]

That's kinda my point. You may not have heard it before, but birds do that (not the 10 note highball, just other sounds)

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Sorry you didn't catch it. I was making fun of calls that ducks don't make, but competition callers have made popular. I love it actually. When I'm hunting public land, the guy 500 yards away is screaming away doing hails and high balls at everything flying within a mile. Makes for easy competition.

[Goldfish]

Gotcha

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