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Moose versus Wolves

Postby AKPirate » Fri May 10, 2013 12:54 am

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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby GadwallGetter530 » Fri May 10, 2013 2:13 am

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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby aunt betty » Fri May 10, 2013 7:55 am

AKPirate wrote:Neat compilation of photos of a cow defending her calf against wolves in Denali.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2320652/Wolf-vs-moose-Mother-fights-tooth-nail-save-newborn-killers-clutches-Alaskan-wilderness.html

Been to Denali. Drove the Denali Highway when it was mostly gravel road.
Stayed at the Susitna Lodge and met a guy there from my home town. How weird?
Caught red salmon with my bare hand like a bear.
Glad I didnt see any wolves. I have no desire for that.
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby The Duck Hammer » Fri May 10, 2013 7:59 am

The one with the tracker did all the work.
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby aunt betty » Fri May 10, 2013 8:00 am

AK. Ever see one of these?
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby bill herian » Fri May 10, 2013 11:45 am

'been nice to see her get one of the bastages.

I want a wolf tag real bad. Hopefully this year. If I draw one I'm withdrawing for the semseter and hunting until I get one.
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby JGUN » Fri May 10, 2013 11:49 am

bill herian wrote:'been nice to see her get one of the bastages.

I want a wolf tag real bad. Hopefully this year. If I draw one I'm withdrawing for the semseter and hunting until I get one.
hey Bill we just found out yesterday we will have a season here this fall. Only $500 for a nonresident tag:wink:
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby JGUN » Fri May 10, 2013 11:52 am

Natural Resources Commission authorizes limited public wolf harvest aimed at managing the state’s wolf population

The Michigan Natural Resources Commission (NRC) today approved a limited public wolf harvest in three distinct regions of Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. The decision followed a process of dedicated conversation with the public and experts, along with a thorough review of the pertinent science.

"The recovery of Michigan's wolf population has been a remarkable success story," said Natural Resources Commission Chairman J.R. Richardson. "Today's decision by the NRC supports ongoing scientific management of this game species, just as voters intended when by an overwhelming margin they approved Proposal G in 1996. The public harvest proposal approved by the commission ensures the long-term presence of wolves while providing a valuable tool for managing conflicts between wolves and human populations. This is a thoughtful, science-based decision."

The commission adopted the regulations during its regular monthly meeting, held in Roscommon. The regulations establish a limited harvest of 43 wolves in three areas of the Upper Peninsula where wolf-human conflicts –including depredation of livestock and pets and human safety concerns –have been persistent despite employing a number of control measures.

Michigan's wolf population has grown significantly since 2000, with a current minimum population estimate of 658. The target harvest is not expected to impact the overall wolf population trajectory, based on published scientific research.

"This decision was the culmination of a long and thorough process by the NRC," said Department of Natural Resources (DNR) Director Keith Creagh. "The DNR will continue to work closely with the commission to be certain that Michigan's wolf population is managed according to the principles of sound science."

The regulations create three Wolf Management Units (WMU): WMU A in Gogebic County in the far western Upper Peninsula –target harvest of 16 wolves; WMU B in portions of Baraga, Houghton, Ontonagon and Gogebic counties –target harvest of 19 wolves; and WMU C in portions of Luce and Mackinac counties –target harvest of eight wolves.

The 2013 wolf season will open Nov. 15 and will run until Dec. 31 or until the target harvest for each WMU is reached. The bag limit is one wolf per person per year. Firearm, crossbow and bow-and-arrow hunting and trapping (foothold traps only, with an outside jaw spread of 5.25 inches to 8 inches) will be allowed on public and private lands.

Hunters will be required to report successful harvest over the phone on the day of harvest. Once the target harvest is met for a management unit, the entire unit will be closed for the season. Licensed hunters will be required to check daily by phone or online to determine whether any management units have been closed.

Successful hunters must present the carcass to a DNR check station within 72 hours of harvest. DNR staff members will seal the pelt and collect a tooth, female reproductive tracts and harvest location information.

A total of 1,200 licenses will be available for over-the-counter purchase, on a first-come, first-served basis, starting Aug. 3, 2013. Licenses will be valid for all three WMUs until each unit is closed. As established by the Legislature, the cost of a wolf hunting license is $100 for residents and $500 for nonresidents. In order to purchase a license, a hunter is required to have either purchased a previous hunting license or taken a state-approved hunter safety education course.

In developing its recommendations for a public wolf harvest, Department of Natural Resources wildlife biologists gathered a variety of input and data. Actions by the DNR and the NRC included: Completing a wolf population survey; Reviewing documented wolf conflicts and the effectiveness of nonlethal and targeted lethal control measures; Meeting with the Wolf Management Advisory Council, a diverse group of stakeholders, to discuss a possible wolf harvest aimed at resolving conflicts; Providing public input opportunities, including four public meetings in March; and Consulting with tribal governments through four meetings.

The NRC’s Policy Committee on Wildlife and Fisheries presented a recommendation to the full commission that included a review of the experience of other states currently engaged in public wolf harvest and testimony from experts in the field with respect to wolf hunting issues, wolf biology and wolf population matters.

"We anticipate that this limited public harvest could both change wolf behavior over time –making them more wary of people, residential areas and farms –and reduce the abundance of wolves in these management areas that have experienced chronic problems," said DNR Wildlife Division Chief Russ Mason. "We're aiming to decrease the number of conflicts and complaints while maintaining the long-term viability of the wolf population."

In January 2012, wolves in Michigan were removed from the federal list of endangered species. In December 2012, wolves were declared a game species when Gov. Rick Snyder signed Public Act 520 of 2012. State law authorizes the Natural Resources Commission to determine the method and manner of take for all game species in Michigan.

To learn more about the state's wolf population and Wolf Management Plan, visit www.michigan.gov/wolves.
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby bill herian » Fri May 10, 2013 12:03 pm

Good for you guys!

Gotta say, I was impressed with WISDNR on our hunt. The state senate approved it in the spring and the hunt was online that same fall. They really got their asses in gear.

The quota was shot up pretty quick, mostly juveniles from what I heard. About half were shot, half were trapped (the tag was good for either). The big adults that were killed were mostly trapped.

We had a 10$ application (which is bullshit, the standard processes fee for every other permit is 3$, but they bumped it up to 10 to run the extra into some bullshit depredation fund) and the kill ticket was 50 if you drew. Nonres was probably over 400.

The wolves don't earn their keep down here like they do up in AK where getting a meal might well mean losing a pack member. Our terrain makes for easy hunting as well. They hunt an area until there are too few deer left to make it practical and then they move on.
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby JGUN » Fri May 10, 2013 12:33 pm

Just the day before they passed the wolf hunt the governor passed a law stating that game animals and laws would be based on science and not politics. The very reason we don't have a dove season. The earth muffins were already in process of trying to stop the wolf season until he passed that law.
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby AKPirate » Fri May 10, 2013 12:52 pm

aunt betty wrote:AK. Ever see one of these?
"ANIMALS OF ALASKA"
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1368190811127.jpg


Quite often AB, nice pics!
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby Woody » Fri May 10, 2013 1:01 pm

JGUN wrote:Natural Resources Commission authorizes limited public wolf harvest aimed at managing the state’s wolf population

The Michigan Natural Resources Commission (NRC) today approved a limited public wolf harvest in three distinct regions of Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. The decision followed a process of dedicated conversation with the public and experts, along with a thorough review of the pertinent science.

"The recovery of Michigan's wolf population has been a remarkable success story," said Natural Resources Commission Chairman J.R. Richardson. "Today's decision by the NRC supports ongoing scientific management of this game species, just as voters intended when by an overwhelming margin they approved Proposal G in 1996. The public harvest proposal approved by the commission ensures the long-term presence of wolves while providing a valuable tool for managing conflicts between wolves and human populations. This is a thoughtful, science-based decision."

The commission adopted the regulations during its regular monthly meeting, held in Roscommon. The regulations establish a limited harvest of 43 wolves in three areas of the Upper Peninsula where wolf-human conflicts –including depredation of livestock and pets and human safety concerns –have been persistent despite employing a number of control measures.

Michigan's wolf population has grown significantly since 2000, with a current minimum population estimate of 658. The target harvest is not expected to impact the overall wolf population trajectory, based on published scientific research.

"This decision was the culmination of a long and thorough process by the NRC," said Department of Natural Resources (DNR) Director Keith Creagh. "The DNR will continue to work closely with the commission to be certain that Michigan's wolf population is managed according to the principles of sound science."

The regulations create three Wolf Management Units (WMU): WMU A in Gogebic County in the far western Upper Peninsula –target harvest of 16 wolves; WMU B in portions of Baraga, Houghton, Ontonagon and Gogebic counties –target harvest of 19 wolves; and WMU C in portions of Luce and Mackinac counties –target harvest of eight wolves.

The 2013 wolf season will open Nov. 15 and will run until Dec. 31 or until the target harvest for each WMU is reached. The bag limit is one wolf per person per year. Firearm, crossbow and bow-and-arrow hunting and trapping (foothold traps only, with an outside jaw spread of 5.25 inches to 8 inches) will be allowed on public and private lands.

Hunters will be required to report successful harvest over the phone on the day of harvest. Once the target harvest is met for a management unit, the entire unit will be closed for the season. Licensed hunters will be required to check daily by phone or online to determine whether any management units have been closed.

Successful hunters must present the carcass to a DNR check station within 72 hours of harvest. DNR staff members will seal the pelt and collect a tooth, female reproductive tracts and harvest location information.

A total of 1,200 licenses will be available for over-the-counter purchase, on a first-come, first-served basis, starting Aug. 3, 2013. Licenses will be valid for all three WMUs until each unit is closed. As established by the Legislature, the cost of a wolf hunting license is $100 for residents and $500 for nonresidents. In order to purchase a license, a hunter is required to have either purchased a previous hunting license or taken a state-approved hunter safety education course.

In developing its recommendations for a public wolf harvest, Department of Natural Resources wildlife biologists gathered a variety of input and data. Actions by the DNR and the NRC included: Completing a wolf population survey; Reviewing documented wolf conflicts and the effectiveness of nonlethal and targeted lethal control measures; Meeting with the Wolf Management Advisory Council, a diverse group of stakeholders, to discuss a possible wolf harvest aimed at resolving conflicts; Providing public input opportunities, including four public meetings in March; and Consulting with tribal governments through four meetings.

The NRC’s Policy Committee on Wildlife and Fisheries presented a recommendation to the full commission that included a review of the experience of other states currently engaged in public wolf harvest and testimony from experts in the field with respect to wolf hunting issues, wolf biology and wolf population matters.

"We anticipate that this limited public harvest could both change wolf behavior over time –making them more wary of people, residential areas and farms –and reduce the abundance of wolves in these management areas that have experienced chronic problems," said DNR Wildlife Division Chief Russ Mason. "We're aiming to decrease the number of conflicts and complaints while maintaining the long-term viability of the wolf population."

In January 2012, wolves in Michigan were removed from the federal list of endangered species. In December 2012, wolves were declared a game species when Gov. Rick Snyder signed Public Act 520 of 2012. State law authorizes the Natural Resources Commission to determine the method and manner of take for all game species in Michigan.

To learn more about the state's wolf population and Wolf Management Plan, visit http://www.michigan.gov/wolves.


http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130508/POLITICS02/305080409/1361/Group-asks-state-panel-to-wait-on-Michigan-wolf-hunting-decision

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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby bill herian » Fri May 10, 2013 1:21 pm

Gotta a question for you, AK.

If a guy went toe-to-flipper with a bull walrus, with nothing but a good sharp knife, what are his chances?

I might need to complete a North American slam one day and I just can't see myself killing the walrus any other way. Shooting one, even with a bow, sounds about like playing dodgeball with fat kids.
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby assateague » Fri May 10, 2013 1:32 pm

You better have a long knife.
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Postby bill herian » Fri May 10, 2013 1:35 pm

assateague wrote:You better have a long knife.


My Cutco fisherman ought to do.
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby AKPirate » Fri May 10, 2013 1:52 pm

bill herian wrote:Gotta a question for you, AK.

If a guy went toe-to-flipper with a bull walrus, with nothing but a good sharp knife, what are his chances?

I might need to complete a North American slam one day and I just can't see myself killing the walrus any other way. Shooting one, even with a bow, sounds about like playing dodgeball with fat kids.


:lol: I didn't know you were an Alaskan Native. :lol:
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby bill herian » Fri May 10, 2013 2:57 pm

AKPirate wrote: I didn't know you were an Alaskan Native. :lol:


You telling me they reserve that most prestigious of big game animals for AK natives?

In that case, I'll dedicate the bout to Assa.
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Postby assateague » Fri May 10, 2013 2:59 pm

Do it anyway. Game laws have no place in this day and age.
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby AKPirate » Fri May 10, 2013 3:06 pm

Yeah, only the Natives get to harvest those legally. I have seen footage of polar bears trying to kill a bull walrus and couldn't get it done. The fat layer is super thick. Like Assa said, better have a very long and sharp knife.
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby waterfowlman » Fri May 10, 2013 3:09 pm

Cool series of photos AK. :thumbsup: No one ever said life was fair.....definitely better to be a wolf rather than a sheep (or moose).
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby AKPirate » Fri May 10, 2013 3:20 pm

waterfowlman wrote:Cool series of photos AK. :thumbsup: No one ever said life was fair.....definitely better to be a wolf rather than a sheep (or moose).


Your right Rick, Everyone's gotta eat :)
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby Botiz630 » Fri May 10, 2013 6:39 pm

Woody, if I get a wolf tag can I use you as bait?
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby AKPirate » Fri May 10, 2013 7:25 pm

Botiz630 wrote:Woody, if I get a wolf tag can I use you as bait?


:lol: :lol: :lol: Have him dress up in a deer costume...
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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby waterfowlman » Fri May 10, 2013 7:27 pm

AKPirate wrote:
Botiz630 wrote:Woody, if I get a wolf tag can I use you as bait?


:lol: :lol: :lol: Have him dress up in a moose costume...



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Re: Moose versus Wolves

Postby Goldfish » Sat May 11, 2013 3:32 am

I agree it would have been nice to see momma stomp a wolf, but such is life.

You guys over in MI must have learned something from MN. We have people from all over the would all up in our business for the wolf hunt, and also for bears due to the Ely bear center. It's annoying.

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