Haggling...a lost concept?

[Olly]

Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with wheeling and dealing if that's your thing. Just don't get mad when not everyone in the world likes to do it too. Just my opinion that's all.

[FlintRiverFowler]

Bc on order for the price to come down haggling must occur. Otherwise there would be no haggle and I'd have to drop to my low price
Immediately

So my point is proven. All you care about is haggling with someone. Why not in the first place put what you really want then only take that? Wouldn't that be much simpler? I think we both know it would be.

Bc no one pays asking price. If everyone just listed things at their bottom dollar i would've just paid $100 more for the trailer that's hooked to my truck. And I didn't do it by being an asshole and asking the guy "what's the lowest you would take?"

People pay my asking price all the time. All the time. Just sold that fridge from the camper for exactly what I wanted for it, guy tried to ask for lower and I politely declined his offer and he then bought it as my asking price.

You just love to wheel and deal and get mad when others don't.

Not really.
That's just how I feel dealing like this should be conducted. People have haggled for centuries.

[Olly]

Bc on order for the price to come down haggling must occur. Otherwise there would be no haggle and I'd have to drop to my low price
Immediately

So my point is proven. All you care about is haggling with someone. Why not in the first place put what you really want then only take that? Wouldn't that be much simpler? I think we both know it would be.

Bc no one pays asking price. If everyone just listed things at their bottom dollar i would've just paid $100 more for the trailer that's hooked to my truck. And I didn't do it by being an asshole and asking the guy "what's the lowest you would take?"

People pay my asking price all the time. All the time. Just sold that fridge from the camper for exactly what I wanted for it, guy tried to ask for lower and I politely declined his offer and he then bought it as my asking price.

You just love to wheel and deal and get mad when others don't.

Not really.
That's just how I feel dealing like this should be conducted. People have haggled for centuries.

This is why you and I never do business

It's all good these are just my opinions. I personally avoid people that obviously love to wheel and deal on CL. Not worth my time or annoyance in the end. For me at least.

I still think I've got a pretty good CL track record too.

[FlintRiverFowler]

Point of this is:
People ask me for my bottom dollar before ever making an offer.
To which I say. "Make offer"
And they never respond bc they're afraid they will make an offer that is higher than my low number.

[SpinnerMan]

And I didn't do it by being an **** and asking the guy "what's the lowest you would take?"

Why does that phrase bother you so much? I just don't see it as anything more than "you are asking too fucking much, you need to come down" or any of a million other phrases where they are trying to get you to make the first move in hopes that you tip your hand as to how much you are willing to move or simply because they don't want to run the risk of offending you by making an offer that is too low.

Just like you get offended by that particular phrase, there are a lot of people that get offended by a low ball offer so people are leery of making that counter offer. I don't get why a low ball offer is taken personal either.

BTW, how would you like them to phrase the question? I'm sure your not the only one that that phrase bothers and I'm pretty sure I've been an asshole in your view and used some variation of it simply because I really don't give a damn about the wording since I'm just looking to get some feedback to try and figure out where you are at and if it is worth my time.

And if you don't give me an offer, I may assume you are firm on that number and it would be a waste of time to give an offer and start the process at all and will simply look somewhere else for what I'm interested in.

[FlintRiverFowler]

And I didn't do it by being an **** and asking the guy "what's the lowest you would take?"

Why does that phrase bother you so much? I just don't see it as anything more than "you are asking too fucking much, you need to come down" or any of a million other phrases where they are trying to get you to make the first move in hopes that you tip your hand as to how much you are willing to move or simply because they don't want to run the risk of offending you by making an offer that is too low.

Just like you get offended by that particular phrase, there are a lot of people that get offended by a low ball offer so people are leery of making that counter offer. I don't get why a low ball offer is taken personal either.

BTW, how would you like them to phrase the question? I'm sure your not the only one that that phrase bothers and I'm pretty sure I've been an asshole in your view and used some variation of it simply because I really don't give a damn about the wording since I'm just looking to get some feedback to try and figure out where you are at and if it is worth my time.

And if you don't give me an offer, I may assume you are firm on that number and it would be a waste of time to give an offer and start the process at all and will simply look somewhere else for what I'm interested in.

Why does it bothering me bother you so much?
You mad bro?
I would just like for the person who doesn't want to pay my asking price to give me an offer instead of asking for my lowest price. I think that's way more rude than a low ball offer.

[SpinnerMan]

I would just like for the person who I don't want to pay their asking price to give me an offer instead of asking for my price.

But hey, we can haggle over this all day. This kind of haggling is a hobby of mine

Why does it bothering me bother you so much?
You mad bro?

Nope just trying to understand how to better handle someone with views like yours so I can get the best deal.

I've learned that I should probably choose a different phrase when trying to get the other guy to make the first move. I had never imagined that that phrase would bother anyone, but you learn something new every day.

As you know, when it comes to haggling, getting the other person to move first is often a big advantage.

I suspect there are a lot of people like you, so now I know one thing I should avoid because it probably won't get the response that I hope.

It doesn't bother me. I'm just trying to understand something that I don't understand.

[DeadEye_Dan]

This is why I use GunBroker for 99.9% of my transactions and I always start at $0.01 and let it run as a true auction - the one willing to pay the most $$$$$ wins and I don't have to deal with 100 emails wanting to dicker.
It's also why I've bought very few things on CL or Armslist...because I have no desire to deal with someone who thinks because they paid retail $$$ for a gun six months ago and "only shot it 100 times" so it should be worth 99% of retail price which is already 125% over the wholesale price of the same gun new.

[blockmaker]

Ever seen that TV show Downeast dickering? Reminds me of flint. Maybe get your own show. Haggling down south with trader flint!

[Woody]

I'm not going to lie, I'm terrible at negotiating when it's something I want. At work I negotiate all the time, and often come out on top. But when it's boat, fishing, hunting, etc... Or something related I just get to darn excited and offer to close to the asking price.

[FlintRiverFowler]

I would just like for the person who I don't want to pay their asking price to give me an offer instead of asking for my price.
.

You can't be serious...
But didn't I offer up a price when I put my asking price on the ad?
If you want it for less, then offer what you think it's worth. I might go with that price. Meet you in the middle, or come down a little.
But don't say "what's the least you would take"
Give me incentive to drop my price. Show me some cash. Or in other words
MAKE ME AN OFFER !!!

[sws002]

I would just like for the person who I don't want to pay their asking price to give me an offer instead of asking for my price.
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You can't be serious...
But didn't I offer up a price when I put my asking price on the ad?
If you want it for less, then offer what you think it's worth. I might go with that price. Meet you in the middle, or come down a little.
But don't say "what's the least you would take"
Give me incentive to drop my price. Show me some cash. Or in other words
MAKE ME AN OFFER !!!

Exactly. I've made my offer, now it's your turn.

[Olly]

You can't be serious...
But didn't I offer up a price when I put my asking price on the ad?
If you want it for less, then offer what you think it's worth. I might go with that price. Meet you in the middle, or come down a little.
But don't say "what's the least you would take"
Give me incentive to drop my price. Show me some cash. Or in other words
MAKE ME AN OFFER !!!

It's all about the act for you. I just want to cut through the BS and get to the price that I'M willing to pay. If that can't happen I don't want the fluff in the middle.

[FlintRiverFowler]

You can't be serious...
But didn't I offer up a price when I put my asking price on the ad?
If you want it for less, then offer what you think it's worth. I might go with that price. Meet you in the middle, or come down a little.
But don't say "what's the least you would take"
Give me incentive to drop my price. Show me some cash. Or in other words
MAKE ME AN OFFER !!!

It's all about the act for you. I just want to cut through the BS and get to the price that I'M willing to pay. If that can't happen I don't want the fluff in the middle.

But you said you make an offer if you don't like the sellers price right?
For me it's all about the fact that I'm not just going to go to my bottom dollar.
Make a fucking offer. It's like people are scared to be told no.
And then.... I offered him half his asking price and the mean man said NO! Boooohoooo waaaaah.

[sws002]

You can't be serious...
But didn't I offer up a price when I put my asking price on the ad?
If you want it for less, then offer what you think it's worth. I might go with that price. Meet you in the middle, or come down a little.
But don't say "what's the least you would take"
Give me incentive to drop my price. Show me some cash. Or in other words
MAKE ME AN OFFER !!!

It's all about the act for you. I just want to cut through the BS and get to the price that I'M willing to pay. If that can't happen I don't want the fluff in the middle.

Yes, that's fine and all, I think you are stuck on the difference between low balling and asking for the lowest price. Asking me to make you an offer on something I've already posted a price on is ludicrous. I've posted what I'm willing to sell it for, you tell me what you're willing to pay. Why is that such a hard concept?

[DeadEye_Dan]

I don't understand how any of this is an issue.
If I'm in the market for X, I do my research and find out what X sells for new, and then search out used X's and determine the market value of a used X....I don't even bother calling someone who's price deviates more than 10% out of the range because they're either 1) delusional, 2) retarded or 3) a shyster whose going to be a shitbag to deal with...and I don't want to talk to any of those kinds of people.

[SpinnerMan]

I would just like for the person who I don't want to pay their asking price to give me an offer instead of asking for my price.
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You can't be serious...
But didn't I offer up a price when I put my asking price on the ad?
If you want it for less, then offer what you think it's worth. I might go with that price. Meet you in the middle, or come down a little.
But don't say "what's the least you would take"
Give me incentive to drop my price. Show me some cash. Or in other words
MAKE ME AN OFFER !!!

I am serious. If I can get you to come down without me showing my hand, I will know how firm you are on that number and how eager you are to come down. If you won't come down, that also tells me something. Depending on my interest, it may simply tell me to move on. If I'd be happy at the price you listed it at, I'll come back with as low of a number as I feel won't poison the negotiation and get you to move since even if you don't move, I'll eventually buy it. I want as much info as I can get out of you without giving you anything so I will wait to act as long as I can and if I can get you to keep undercutting your price without me countering I'm going to try every time. Why wouldn't I. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. Nothing to lose. Just need to choose my words in a way that won't tick you off. So I know not to ask what your bottom is or anything like that. There are other ways.

[Botiz630]

I don't understand how any of this is an issue.
If I'm in the market for X, I do my research and find out what X sells for new, and then search out used X's and determine the market value of a used X....I don't even bother calling someone who's price deviates more than 10% out of the range because they're either 1) delusional, 2) retarded or 3) a shyster whose going to be a shitbag to deal with...and I don't want to talk to any of those kinds of people.

Exactly. Nobody haggles anymore because it's way too daggone easy to find out what something is worth. Why spend time trying to solve the bridge troll's riddle when you can google the answer in 5 seconds?

[Olly]

I don't understand how any of this is an issue.
If I'm in the market for X, I do my research and find out what X sells for new, and then search out used X's and determine the market value of a used X....I don't even bother calling someone who's price deviates more than 10% out of the range because they're either 1) delusional, 2) retarded or 3) a shyster whose going to be a shitbag to deal with...and I don't want to talk to any of those kinds of people.

Exactly. Nobody haggles anymore because it's way too daggone easy to find out what something is worth. Why spend time trying to solve the bridge troll's riddle when you can google the answer in 5 seconds?

Exactly

[FlintRiverFowler]

Zingah!
Low ball straight to the nuts.
This will be a no deal most likely but at least the fuckin guy ain't scared to haggle.

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[Olly]

So do you want it.

[FlintRiverFowler]

The guy said "ok and yes"
I have ....
It was kinda vague.

[FlintRiverFowler]

Err maybe he thought he smelled desperation and that's why he went for the nuts.

[Throbbin Rods]

I must be old fashioned but I won't negotiate unless the buyer is sitting in front of me with cash in his hand and has seen what he proposes to buy. I buy, rehab and sell boats. Always outboards, up to 20 feet. I try to make a few hundred on each one, and I always sell for less than the item books for. Too many people ask if you will take a lower price with no clue about what shape it's in, or in the case of an outboard, whether it has even compression. I was raised that if you are going to negotiate on a price you had better have cash in hand. I generally use the 2 pocket method when buying. One pocket has my initial offer on the item. Once I look it over and determine that it meets my needs, I pull that money out, count it, and make my offer. Sometimes that is enough. Sometimes I have to go to the truck and "see if I left any money in here last time". I usually do 20-25 boats a year, and hate people who make offers before they know for sure what they are looking at.
My .02

[FlintRiverFowler]

I must be old fashioned but I won't negotiate unless the buyer is sitting in front of me with cash in his hand and has seen what he proposes to buy. I buy, rehab and sell boats. Always outboards, up to 20 feet. I try to make a few hundred on each one, and I always sell for less than the item books for. Too many people ask if you will take a lower price with no clue about what shape it's in, or in the case of an outboard, whether it has even compression. I was raised that if you are going to negotiate on a price you had better have cash in hand. I generally use the 2 pocket method when buying. One pocket has my initial offer on the item. Once I look it over and determine that it meets my needs, I pull that money out, count it, and make my offer. Sometimes that is enough. Sometimes I have to go to the truck and "see if I left any money in here last time". I usually do 20-25 boats a year, and hate people who make offers before they know for sure what they are looking at.
My .02

I would prefer it be that way but with technology and all everybody wants shit instantly and as was mentioned before people have zero communication skills face to face.

[aunt betty]

And I didn't do it by being an **** and asking the guy "what's the lowest you would take?"

Why does that phrase bother you so much? I just don't see it as anything more than "you are asking too fucking much, you need to come down" or any of a million other phrases where they are trying to get you to make the first move in hopes that you tip your hand as to how much you are willing to move or simply because they don't want to run the risk of offending you by making an offer that is too low.

Just like you get offended by that particular phrase, there are a lot of people that get offended by a low ball offer so people are leery of making that counter offer. I don't get why a low ball offer is taken personal either.

BTW, how would you like them to phrase the question? I'm sure your not the only one that that phrase bothers and I'm pretty sure I've been an asshole in your view and used some variation of it simply because I really don't give a damn about the wording since I'm just looking to get some feedback to try and figure out where you are at and if it is worth my time.

And if you don't give me an offer, I may assume you are firm on that number and it would be a waste of time to give an offer and start the process at all and will simply look somewhere else for what I'm interested in.

Why does it bothering me bother you so much?
You mad bro?
I would just like for the person who doesn't want to pay my asking price to give me an offer instead of asking for my lowest price. I think that's way more rude than a low ball offer.

Sorry about bumping a 11-month-old thread but HEY...it's what I do.

It's no secret but I own a 1996 Dodge Ram 3500. CUMMINS 6-cylinder turbocharged diesel engine. (the one you want).
It's been sitting a while and people keep putting notes on it saying they are SUPER interested in buying it.
So I call them and it's like Flint says...they want me to give them rock-bottom price so I say "make and offer". Recall they said they want it super bad. There is no "for sale" sign on it.
Then the silence so I blurt out that I'd take $2500 and the guy hangs up. His name is Travis something. The second time he called he said "I just want a few parts off it". I'm like...it runs dude, you buy the whole thing or kick rocks and it's 3 grand now...better hurry. He's all cryin and shit because he wrecked his truck like mine.

Then a few days later a new note appears from the same guy. We repeat the dance only this time I say $3500 and each time I get a note on that truck the price will go up $500 because people "are super interested in it". lol

So I got it running and parked it in the yard facing the highway and got more notes. Same story different people.
Have gotten notes from at least 4 separate ppl and the same bullshit keeps happening.

The turbo-charger on that truck is worth $2500 alone. PPL be silly cheap-assed sons of bitches. Sorry about the cussing but I'm sick of people wanting me to give them a duelly truck cheap. Heck...$2500 is stealing it.

[Throbbin Rods]

I am a retired Purchasing Manager. I always haggle. I even haggled my way into a half price lap dance one night in Palm Springs CA at a "trendy" establishment called The Popes back in the 90's