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Postby MuddyWaterWarlock » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:06 pm

I'm going to put some new shingles on this summer and thought I would start gathering information since I am not a roofer. I am going to strip the roof, the decking should be solid, tar paper and shingle. I don't like the looks of tin roofs so I'm not going there.

Roofing nailers: Most are around 2hundred and up. I have looked at a few and the Bostitch seems to be a reasonable weapon. There are also reconditioned units, the Bostitch is 119.00. Is this the way to go or am I mislead? Which other guns are reliable yet affordable? I am not going to do roofs and there is a good chance I will sell the gun when done unless I can use it for other projects. I don't want to rent because I may get this done in a day or week depending on work.

Shingles:There are a thousand different types and kinds of shingles. I am using asphalt. Any brands that I should look at or run away from? Wind is usually not an issue here. I also don't want to do it again and I am 49.

Tar Paper: Any specific types better than other?

Vents and caps I will put new up but the same as whatever is there. Oh and my roof pitch is like 4/12, not steep at all.

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Re: Roof

Postby Mornin Beef » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:16 pm

Just go with metal.
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Re: Roof

Postby assateague » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:17 pm

As far as brand of shingles, I don't know. I'd definitely go with architectural, though, because they're much easier and quicker to run.

I've used Bostitch, Senco, Hitachi, Nd DuoFast nailers, and prefer the Bostitch. They all rattle and feel like they're coming apart when you shoot, so don't think you got a lemon because of this. Try pawn shops for a good deal, and get the cheapest, roughest looking one there. It will run as well as a pretty one.

I don't know where you live, but on a low pitch we always put two rows of ice and water at the eave, and run that in any valleys, also. And 15# paper everywhere else. And cut in a ridge vent if you don't have one.
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Re: Roof

Postby MuddyWaterWarlock » Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:23 pm

assateague wrote:As far as brand of shingles, I don't know. I'd definitely go with architectural, though, because they're much easier and quicker to run.

I've used Bostitch, Senco, Hitachi, Nd DuoFast nailers, and prefer the Bostitch. They all rattle and feel like they're coming apart when you shoot, so don't think you got a lemon because of this. Try pawn shops for a good deal, and get the cheapest, roughest looking one there. It will run as well as a pretty one.

I don't know where you live, but on a low pitch we always put two rows of ice and water at the eave, and run that in any valleys, also. And 15# paper everywhere else. And cut in a ridge vent if you don't have one.

I don't have a ridge vent just 4 of those whirlygig things. Would you still cut in a ridge vent? This brings us to my next question: Our attic gets real hot and that is where our A/C exchanger is. I can't imagine it not helping the A/C costs to cool down the attic. So more venting would help and how about an attic fan? I thought about a whole house fan, but I really just don't see a place in the ceiling where I would want to chop a hole.
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Re: Roof

Postby Eric Haynes » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:03 pm

I would go with the refurb Bostich, I have 4 of them. You can always resell it.

As AT said, architectural is the way to go. About 90% of the shingles I use are IKO. They are lifetime and as far as I've heard, their warranty is good. I have also installed OC shingles, which look good too, but pricier with no added warranty. We use ArmorGaurd, or any other ice and water at all of the eaves, and use PermaFelt for the rest. If it was my roof, I'd spend the extra couple hundred and do the whole thing in ice and water, especially if you are 49. There is one thing I can say for myself, I have never, ever had a roof leave after I've shingled it, but we don't get the wind most people experience.
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Re: Roof

Postby Eric Haynes » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:05 pm

MuddyWaterWarlock wrote:
assateague wrote:As far as brand of shingles, I don't know. I'd definitely go with architectural, though, because they're much easier and quicker to run.

I've used Bostitch, Senco, Hitachi, Nd DuoFast nailers, and prefer the Bostitch. They all rattle and feel like they're coming apart when you shoot, so don't think you got a lemon because of this. Try pawn shops for a good deal, and get the cheapest, roughest looking one there. It will run as well as a pretty one.

I don't know where you live, but on a low pitch we always put two rows of ice and water at the eave, and run that in any valleys, also. And 15# paper everywhere else. And cut in a ridge vent if you don't have one.

I don't have a ridge vent just 4 of those whirlygig things. Would you still cut in a ridge vent? This brings us to my next question: Our attic gets real hot and that is where our A/C exchanger is. I can't imagine it not helping the A/C costs to cool down the attic. So more venting would help and how about an attic fan? I thought about a whole house fan, but I really just don't see a place in the ceiling where I would want to chop a hole.


Get rid of those "whirlygigs" and cut a ridge vent in, if that's all they are is a venting system for the roof. Less holes in your roof, the better and you won't have to go crazy with tar around a bunch of boots on your roof.
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Re: Roof

Postby MuddyWaterWarlock » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:10 pm

Thanks guys :thumbsup:
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Re: Roof

Postby Mornin Beef » Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:11 pm

MuddyWaterWarlock wrote:Thanks guys :thumbsup:

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Re: Roof

Postby 3legged_lab » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:11 pm

Attic fans don't do squat. Now I have been told the whole house fans move enough air to be worth it, but I personally don't have any experience with them.
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Re: Roof

Postby 870shooter » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:14 pm

Stay away from IKO brand shingles.
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Re: Roof

Postby MuddyWaterWarlock » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:34 pm

870shooter wrote:Stay away from IKO brand shingles.

Noted, thanks
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Re: Roof

Postby MuddyWaterWarlock » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:36 pm

3legged_lab wrote:Attic fans don't do squat. Now I have been told the whole house fans move enough air to be worth it, but I personally don't have any experience with them.

I know one person that has a whole house fan and it will stand up the curtains on the inside with the windows open. Works great for pulling in the cool outside air. It in turn would have to help cool the attic since that is where it exhausts. I haven't heard much about attic fans, but it looks like it would be a pain anyway here.
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Re: Roof

Postby 3legged_lab » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:59 pm

MuddyWaterWarlock wrote:
3legged_lab wrote:Attic fans don't do squat. Now I have been told the whole house fans move enough air to be worth it, but I personally don't have any experience with them.

I know one person that has a whole house fan and it will stand up the curtains on the inside with the windows open. Works great for pulling in the cool outside air. It in turn would have to help cool the attic since that is where it exhausts. I haven't heard much about attic fans, but it looks like it would be a pain anyway here.

If you are concerned about the attic temp for the a/c air handler and don't want to mess with a fan just make sure your ductwork is insulated well. You could also do one of those white insulation wraps that's meant for a water heater layed over the air handler. Just a thought.
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Re: Roof

Postby MuddyWaterWarlock » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:00 am

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MuddyWaterWarlock wrote:
3legged_lab wrote:Attic fans don't do squat. Now I have been told the whole house fans move enough air to be worth it, but I personally don't have any experience with them.

I know one person that has a whole house fan and it will stand up the curtains on the inside with the windows open. Works great for pulling in the cool outside air. It in turn would have to help cool the attic since that is where it exhausts. I haven't heard much about attic fans, but it looks like it would be a pain anyway here.

If you are concerned about the attic temp for the a/c air handler and don't want to mess with a fan just make sure your ductwork is insulated well. You could also do one of those white insulation wraps that's meant for a water heater layed over the air handler. Just a thought.

The ducts are insulated well. I was just trying to find ways to help with the bills while I had my toolbelt on :thumbsup:
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Re: Roof

Postby Eric Haynes » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:01 am

870shooter wrote:Stay away from IKO brand shingles.

Just a one lined statement? I use them a ton. Whats wrong with them? I've only seen them have to be warranteed once, but the people were extremely happy with how they were taken care of.

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Re: Roof

Postby aunt betty » Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:08 am

Post a picture of your roof before you start the job.
There are several expert roofers here and maybe one will see something.
I'd loan you a roof-nailer, hoses, and the compressor if you lived somewhere close.
I even have the cap-nailer for tar-paper.
Use the heavy 30#.
I've heard that it's incredibly stupid to fuck around with a crazy man's head.
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Re: Roof

Postby Eric Haynes » Wed Feb 27, 2013 9:15 am

aunt betty wrote:Post a picture of your roof before you start the job.
There are several expert roofers here and maybe one will see something.
I'd loan you a roof-nailer, hoses, and the compressor if you lived somewhere close.
I even have the cap-nailer for tar-paper.
Use the heavy 30#.

Ive got that cap nailer. You can have it for $50

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Re: Roof

Postby FlintRiverFowler » Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:57 pm

heres what i would do,,, get one of those predatory roofing companies to come out and say you have "hail damage" claim it on your insurance and get a free roof. done.
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Re: Roof

Postby MuddyWaterWarlock » Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:23 pm

FlintRiverFowler wrote:heres what i would do,,, get one of those predatory roofing companies to come out and say you have "hail damage" claim it on your insurance and get a free roof. done.

Thought about it.
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