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Goldfish wrote:Just cuz a bama boy don't know how to drive in the snow...

I'm a Georgian not an Alabaman..

I don't mean it physically screws up your steering components, I mean you push into corners because your front tires are trying to apply forward/slowing forces instead of just steering. It's boring. You have to go all slow around corners for fear of diving head first into the ditch unless you initiate a 4 wheel drift before the corner which not many people know how to do

DixieDawg wrote:

The Duck Hammer wrote:Thinking about getting a Ruger LCR this summer. Anybody have/messed with one?

It's a decent revolver personally I prefer the smith but that's just me

Olly wrote:

Goldfish wrote:Just cuz a bama boy don't know how to drive in the snow...

I'm a Georgian not an Alabaman..

I don't mean it physically screws up your steering components, I mean you push into corners because your front tires are trying to apply forward/slowing forces instead of just steering. It's boring. You have to go all slow around corners for fear of diving head first into the ditch unless you initiate a 4 wheel drift before the corner which not many people know how to do

So you're only argument against using 4wd is that it's boring or requires you to... I dunno drive like your car is operating with all 4 wheels producing power?

You should use 4wd when road conditions present a greater chance of loosing traction due to a lower coefficient of friction. Period.

Pretending you know how to drive on an unpredictable surface and don't need 4wd will just lead to disaster sooner or later.

The Duck Hammer wrote:

DixieDawg wrote:

The Duck Hammer wrote:Thinking about getting a Ruger LCR this summer. Anybody have/messed with one?

It's a decent revolver personally I prefer the smith but that's just me

I didn't realize it was a polymer frame. An all steel smith is almost the price of a Colt New Agent so I'll probably get one of those.

Olly wrote:

Goldfish wrote:Just cuz a bama boy don't know how to drive in the snow...

I'm a Georgian not an Alabaman..

I don't mean it physically screws up your steering components, I mean you push into corners because your front tires are trying to apply forward/slowing forces instead of just steering. It's boring. You have to go all slow around corners for fear of diving head first into the ditch unless you initiate a 4 wheel drift before the corner which not many people know how to do

So you're only argument against using 4wd is that it's boring or requires you to... I dunno drive like your car is operating with all 4 wheels producing power?

You should use 4wd when road conditions present a greater chance of loosing traction due to a lower coefficient of friction. Period.

Pretending you know how to drive on an unpredictable surface and don't need 4wd will just lead to disaster sooner or later.

Goldfish wrote:That lower coefficient of friction is exactly why you shouldn't be using the steering wheels for momentum. A tire can only give you so much friction. If you are using part of that for forward momentum, you have drastically reduced your ability to control your side to side friction.

SpinnerMan wrote:Obviously 4WD does not help you stop and I'm pretty skeptical that it helps you make a corner. Getting up hills, of course. Most of the challenges of snow driving are not moving forward, but stopping or changing course.

I've never looked into it, but it would seem that 4WD would not help corner at all and could possible help break your steering tires loose that you need to be rolling so you can steer and not sliding skis which is the thing you worry about and what puts you in the ditch.

Get up a hill, absolutely, but around a corner or down a hill. I just don't see it.

I'm on the side of drive around in 2WD even in bad weather unless you are dealing with hills. The 4WD is less likely to help you once you have lost all your momentum.

Not a lot of hills around here to worry about so I rarely use the 4WD.

SpinnerMan wrote:Obviously 4WD does not help you stop and I'm pretty skeptical that it helps you make a corner. Getting up hills, of course. Most of the challenges of snow driving are not moving forward, but stopping or changing course.

I've never looked into it, but it would seem that 4WD would not help corner at all and could possible help break your steering tires loose that you need to be rolling so you can steer and not sliding skis which is the thing you worry about and what puts you in the ditch.

Get up a hill, absolutely, but around a corner or down a hill. I just don't see it.

I'm on the side of drive around in 2WD even in bad weather unless you are dealing with hills. The 4WD is less likely to help you once you have lost all your momentum.

Not a lot of hills around here to worry about so I rarely use the 4WD.

Woody wrote:

SpinnerMan wrote:Obviously 4WD does not help you stop and I'm pretty skeptical that it helps you make a corner. Getting up hills, of course. Most of the challenges of snow driving are not moving forward, but stopping or changing course.

I've never looked into it, but it would seem that 4WD would not help corner at all and could possible help break your steering tires loose that you need to be rolling so you can steer and not sliding skis which is the thing you worry about and what puts you in the ditch.

Get up a hill, absolutely, but around a corner or down a hill. I just don't see it.

I'm on the side of drive around in 2WD even in bad weather unless you are dealing with hills. The 4WD is less likely to help you once you have lost all your momentum.

Not a lot of hills around here to worry about so I rarely use the 4WD.

Y'all better jump on spinners ass or is the word of second Mechanical Engineer enough to covey that 4WD doesn't help that much in winter driving?

Rick wrote:I'm also old enough to remember the first front wheel drive Toronados being the rage among Great Lakes snow belt salesmen and leaving the rest of us in their slush.

SpinnerMan wrote:At one point my wife had a front wheel drive honda and I had a rear wheel drive ranger. When it snowed, we took the honda. We didn't have 500 lbs of cinder blocks to put weight over the drive wheels.

Olly wrote:If 4wd doesn't help you make corners better then I guess all those rally racers using AWD/4WD cars to make sharp turns on the loose soil of the tracks they race are just wasting their money huh?

Olly wrote:If 4wd doesn't help you make corners better then I guess all those rally racers using AWD/4WD cars to make sharp turns on the loose soil of the tracks they race are just wasting their money huh?

Improves Dry Handling: This only applies to AWD vehicles with torque vectoring. The AWD version of the 2013 Acura TL is one example. Acura's "Super Handling All Wheel Drive" (SH-AWD) distributes torque to all four wheels, using a pair of electromagnetic clutches to freely regulate torque distribution between the rear wheels. This system is one of the rare cases when AWD can help with cornering.

Woody wrote:Opposing physics is a dangerous game.

Olly wrote:Holy shit, I looked just 3 days ago at some ammo online and now all the .223 ammo is gone.

Because of this

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2560750

Olly wrote:YES! I'm watching all the major ammo retailers literally sell all their .223 right now. I just boguth another 2000 rounds. When I added it to my shopping cart they had 64 in stock and in the 5 minutes it took to check out they were down to 30 or so. All the .223 in this country will be dried up or way over priced within the next two hours.

Woody wrote:I read the outline attached to the article and it only mentions 5.56. Maybe I am just being hopeful, but that makes me think .223 is safe until they realize their error.