(MT)Montanafowler wrote:DeadEye_Dan wrote:(MT)Montanafowler wrote:DeadEye_Dan wrote:Great.
Draft a letter to USFW, tell them they have nothing to worry about because a 2nd year WB major said so.
I'll personally deliver it at the Flyway Meetings in July & I'll load the tears of laughter that result to YouTube an post them here.
Seriously - do you have a career "plan B"?
dan, you started this. i simply stated my own opinion concerning calling a guy a poacher or not, you took it above and beyond. for fuck sakes, calm down. why are you getting so bent out of shape over this anyway?
Because we as hunters should be the No. 1 proponents of wildlife stewardship, and to hear a guy who says he wants to make Wildlife Biology his life's work argue for baiting wildfowl for the purpose of hunting is easily the dumbest fucking thing I've heard in quite some time.
You want to make baiting legal so you can kill more ducks - fuck whatever the last 100 years of science and research have told us about how it will affect the population.
I don't give a shit that Reb baits and kills ducks - but it's utterly mind boggling that a guy studying WB with an expressed goal of working for a State wildlife agency would have the views you do.
And I didn't start it - you're the one that jumped to the defense of a poacher by trying to justify baiting.
i'm just arguing against you dude, i never stated i am either for or against baiting. you took my statement and ran with it, so i played devil's advocate. sorry you got bent out of shape.
once again, i simply don't think it's that big of a deal to get worked up over. my opinion is that if he did it, it was really poor judgement on his part, and that he broke the law. in the end, he put grain on the ground and shot some ducks that flew down to eat it. i consider that far different than a guy who shoots banded birds in a park with a pellet gun. i think everyone jumping up and calling him a poacher is a bit harsh, nobody knows what really went on yet. when the actual events are revealed, then you can call him a poacher, but i'll still think it's harsh.
personally, i think baiting is stupid, and i've never done it.
do i think some wildlife laws are really stupid-yes. even if i was hired at a state agency i wouldn't necessarily agree with everything they did. i think some laws are very archaic and don't really apply today, that's just my opinion. Montana has a law that says something along the lines of you can't have any electronic aid that enables you to coordinate in the field. the way the law is written, you could get a ticket for possession of a cell phone if they really wanted to get you. laws like that need to be repealed or rewritten with better context in my opinion.
sorry to piss you off dude, no hard feelings?
Weak.
I don't believe for one second that you were arguing on principle or to play the devils advocate.
Nevertheless, it's fine.
And for the record a "citation" (and I don't give a damn if it's for jaywalking, baiting or speeding) isn't an "innocent til proven guilty" scenario.
It's a "You got caught doing _____, here's your fine".
In this case, he was cited for hunting over bait. What's the term we use for killing animals illegally....let's see what Wiki calls it.
Violations of hunting laws and regulations concerning wildlife management, local or international wildlife conservation schemes constitute wildlife crimes that are typically punishable.[12][13] The following violations and offenses are considered acts of poaching:
Hunting, killing or collecting wildlife that is listed as endangered by IUCN and protected by law such as the Endangered Species Act, the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 and international treaties such as CITES.[12]
Fishing and hunting without a license.[13][14]
Capturing wildlife outside of legal hours and outside the hunting season;[12][13] usually the breeding season is declared as the closed season during which wildlife is protected by law.
Prohibited use of machine guns, poison, explosives, snare traps, nets and pitfall traps.[12]
(Pay special attention to this part)
Prohibited use of baiting with food, decoys or recorded calls in order to increase chances for shooting wildlife.[12]
Hunting from a moving vehicle or aircraft.[12]
Canned hunting is a particularly inhumane type of poaching wildlife as it often involves illegal activities such as trapping, caging or drugging animals, or cutting their feet with razor blades.[12]
Shining deer with a spotlight at night to impair its natural defenses and thus facilitate an easy kill is considered animal abuse.[15] This hunting method is illegal in Virginia, Connecticut and Tennessee.[12]
Taking wildlife on land that is restricted, owned by or licensed to somebody else.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poaching
i'm really not sensitive Red 
