And now, a video message from Jeff Foiles

[rebelp74]

Have y'all ever watched a Duckmen video? He shoots other peoples' limits in every hunt.

[NuffDaddy]

Have y'all ever watched a Duckmen video? He shoots other peoples' limits in every hunt.

How the hell do you know? All the duck men videos I watch they light up a flock of 10 with about 20 shots and they all fall. There is no way they can tell whose is whose. But they never come back over limit. Especially not 26 over.

[NuffDaddy]

I still don't really have a problem with him killing over his limit. I lean with Tiller on this though, I don't like the fact that, in the eyes of shit people, it makes hunters as a whole look bad.

There was no reason for him to shoot over his limit. He is just a greedy money hungry douche IMO.

[rebelp74]

Watch the first couple of Duckmen videos. There are several times a flock comes in and he unloads his guns then grabs the gun of the guy next to him and unloads it.

[NuffDaddy]

You know that Phil Robertson admitted to poaching in his younger days, right?

sent from a phancy fone

Everybody poaches some through their life. The first duck I killed was not in season...allegedly. But I don't consider myself a poacher.

[bill herian]

My issue with this guy is that he has put himself out there as an ambassador of our sport. PETA, the anti-hunting crowd, and the anti-gun crowd don't need any more ammo to use against us. I would expect someone who puts themselves out there for public scrutiny to make sure they are obeying the laws. People don't know you or I, but they know the Duck Commander boys, Jeff Foiles, and Ted Nugent (fuck him too, while we are at it). Their actions reflect on all of us hunters. Jeff didn't accidentally shoot over his limit, he knowingly did it and doctored his books to hide it. I love hunting, I am proud of the Robertson's for getting a positive message out there about hunters. Foiles and Nugent are hurting our cause more than helping it as far as I am concerned.

This line of thinking drives me nuts. PETA dosen't distinguish between you and Foiles. You are just as evil as he is. They don't understand our "rules" or "ethics". They only know that we violate theirs, and therefore we should be made to stop.

Assa is right. One day in prison would have been too long. He profited from the kill footage, so go after his assets. Putting a man in a cage for killing birds is lunacy. He did nobody wrong, not even duck hunters.

[NuffDaddy]

Watch the first couple of Duckmen videos. There are several times a flock comes in and he unloads his guns then grabs the gun of the guy next to him and unloads it.

I've only watched a couple of their videos, Never saw that though. But did they overlimit...or kill park ducks to get the bands?

[The Duck Hammer]

You know that Phil Robertson admitted to poaching in his younger days, right?

sent from a phancy fone

Everybody poaches some through their life. The first duck I killed was not in season...allegedly. But I don't consider myself a poacher.

Ok, I do. But in your case you got no financial gain out of it. I have never gone over my limit but I allegedly have used group limits so I guess I am a poacher too.

[rebelp74]

I still don't really have a problem with him killing over his limit. I lean with Tiller on this though, I don't like the fact that, in the eyes of shit people, it makes hunters as a whole look bad.

There was no reason for him to shoot over his limit. He is just a greedy money hungry douche IMO.

Agreed, as I said early I don't care for his personality. I think he is a douche, but I don't care that he shot over his limit for whatever reason. There are people all over the place that kill over there limit, I'm sure we all personally know some or may be one that does, and don't need to. My thing is what does it really matter if he does or doesn't abide by the law. Have you ever went over the speed limit, didn't completely stop at a stop sign or knowingly broken a law repeatedly because you left the house later than expected or that is just the way you drive? If so, based on what y'all are saying about the guy, y'all are the same people. Repeatedly breaking a law is just that, repeatedly breaking the law no matter the law, it is still being broken.

[rebelp74]

You know that Phil Robertson admitted to poaching in his younger days, right?

sent from a phancy fone

Everybody poaches some through their life. The first duck I killed was not in season...allegedly. But I don't consider myself a poacher.

Ok, I do. But in your case you got no financial gain out of it. I have never gone over my limit but I allegedly have used group limits so I guess I am a poacher too.

Has anyone ever repeatedly sped to work, going over the legal speed limit, because they would've been late had they not? If so, what you are saying, they are the same as this guy.

[The Duck Hammer]

I still don't really have a problem with him killing over his limit. I lean with Tiller on this though, I don't like the fact that, in the eyes of shit people, it makes hunters as a whole look bad.

There was no reason for him to shoot over his limit. He is just a greedy money hungry douche IMO.

Agreed, as I said early I don't care for his personality. I think he is a douche, but I don't care that he shot over his limit for whatever reason. There are people all over the place that kill over there limit, I'm sure we all personally know some or may be one that does, and don't need to. My thing is what does it really matter if he does or doesn't abide by the law. Have you ever went over the speed limit, didn't completely stop at a stop sign or knowingly broken a law repeatedly because you left the house later than expected or that is just the way you drive? If so, based on what y'all are saying about the guy, y'all are the same people. Repeatedly breaking a law is just that, repeatedly breaking the law no matter the law, it is still being broken.

I know several people like this. There was two guys who showed up where I was hunting before I was ready to leave because I was going to have to go to church pretty soon. The next day the prick came up to me and showed me a pile of mallards and some geese. These guys are notorious for basically throwing what they kill away and go on killing. They killed way over their limit for no reason what so ever. Do you agree with what they did? Waste by any means shouldn't be tolerated. If you aren't going to eat it or even donate it to some cause, why do it?

[The Duck Hammer]

You know that Phil Robertson admitted to poaching in his younger days, right?

sent from a phancy fone

Everybody poaches some through their life. The first duck I killed was not in season...allegedly. But I don't consider myself a poacher.

Ok, I do. But in your case you got no financial gain out of it. I have never gone over my limit but I allegedly have used group limits so I guess I am a poacher too.

Has anyone ever repeatedly sped to work, going over the legal speed limit, because they would've been late had they not? If so, what you are saying, they are the same as this guy.

Guess so, but I still called Nuff and myself poachers had the alleged acts been committed.

[Tiler_J]

My issue with this guy is that he has put himself out there as an ambassador of our sport. PETA, the anti-hunting crowd, and the anti-gun crowd don't need any more ammo to use against us. I would expect someone who puts themselves out there for public scrutiny to make sure they are obeying the laws. People don't know you or I, but they know the Duck Commander boys, Jeff Foiles, and Ted Nugent (fuck him too, while we are at it). Their actions reflect on all of us hunters. Jeff didn't accidentally shoot over his limit, he knowingly did it and doctored his books to hide it. I love hunting, I am proud of the Robertson's for getting a positive message out there about hunters. Foiles and Nugent are hurting our cause more than helping it as far as I am concerned.

This line of thinking drives me nuts. PETA dosen't distinguish between you and Foiles. You are just as evil as he is. They don't understand our "rules" or "ethics". They only know that we violate theirs, and therefore we should be made to stop.

Assa is right. One day in prison would have been too long. He profited from the kill footage, so go after his assets. Putting a man in a cage for killing birds is lunacy. He did nobody wrong, not even duck hunters.

I never said he should have gone to prison, I don't think he deserved that for what he did. Loss of hunting rights and fines against him are good enough for me. It is true that there are people in the world doing way more horrible things than he did and get less time, but that really is a separate issue.

You are right, PETA and the rest, do hate you and I for what we do. But I would assume you are not a public figure in the hunting world, I know that I am not. PETA and the like don't know you or I, they know him. He represents hunting to the world. I would hope that someone in that position would act accordingly. In my opinion his actions do reflect onto the rest of us, unfortunately.

[bill herian]

You are right, PETA and the rest, do hate you and I for what we do. But I would assume you are not a public figure in the hunting world, I know that I am not. PETA and the like don't know you or I, they know him. He represents hunting to the world. I would hope that someone in that position would act accordingly. In my opinion his actions do reflect onto the rest of us, unfortunately.

I guess I don't see him as that big a deal in other circles. Like I said, people who don't know game laws, aren't going to view this the same way that hunters are. No group is more ciritical of hunters than hunters.

[The Duck Hammer]

You are right, PETA and the rest, do hate you and I for what we do. But I would assume you are not a public figure in the hunting world, I know that I am not. PETA and the like don't know you or I, they know him. He represents hunting to the world. I would hope that someone in that position would act accordingly. In my opinion his actions do reflect onto the rest of us, unfortunately.

I guess I don't see him as that big a deal in other circles. Like I said, people who don't know game laws, aren't going to view this the same way that hunters are. No group is more ciritical of hunters than hunters.

Best statement so far.

[rebelp74]

I still don't really have a problem with him killing over his limit. I lean with Tiller on this though, I don't like the fact that, in the eyes of shit people, it makes hunters as a whole look bad.

There was no reason for him to shoot over his limit. He is just a greedy money hungry douche IMO.

Agreed, as I said early I don't care for his personality. I think he is a douche, but I don't care that he shot over his limit for whatever reason. There are people all over the place that kill over there limit, I'm sure we all personally know some or may be one that does, and don't need to. My thing is what does it really matter if he does or doesn't abide by the law. Have you ever went over the speed limit, didn't completely stop at a stop sign or knowingly broken a law repeatedly because you left the house later than expected or that is just the way you drive? If so, based on what y'all are saying about the guy, y'all are the same people. Repeatedly breaking a law is just that, repeatedly breaking the law no matter the law, it is still being broken.

I know several people like this. There was two guys who showed up where I was hunting before I was ready to leave because I was going to have to go to church pretty soon. The next day the prick came up to me and showed me a pile of mallards and some geese. These guys are notorious for basically throwing what they kill away and go on killing. They killed way over their limit for no reason what so ever. Do you agree with what they did? Waste by any means shouldn't be tolerated. If you aren't going to eat it or even donate it to some cause, why do it?

Had all of that went into the freezer, I'd have no problem with it, excpet for it being in my spot which I may go to fists behind it. I agree with what you are saying, it is wrong to waste a taken life. However I haven't seen anywhere that said the birds, that the guy this thread is bashing, went to waste.

[The Duck Hammer]

I still don't really have a problem with him killing over his limit. I lean with Tiller on this though, I don't like the fact that, in the eyes of shit people, it makes hunters as a whole look bad.

There was no reason for him to shoot over his limit. He is just a greedy money hungry douche IMO.

Agreed, as I said early I don't care for his personality. I think he is a douche, but I don't care that he shot over his limit for whatever reason. There are people all over the place that kill over there limit, I'm sure we all personally know some or may be one that does, and don't need to. My thing is what does it really matter if he does or doesn't abide by the law. Have you ever went over the speed limit, didn't completely stop at a stop sign or knowingly broken a law repeatedly because you left the house later than expected or that is just the way you drive? If so, based on what y'all are saying about the guy, y'all are the same people. Repeatedly breaking a law is just that, repeatedly breaking the law no matter the law, it is still being broken.

I know several people like this. There was two guys who showed up where I was hunting before I was ready to leave because I was going to have to go to church pretty soon. The next day the prick came up to me and showed me a pile of mallards and some geese. These guys are notorious for basically throwing what they kill away and go on killing. They killed way over their limit for no reason what so ever. Do you agree with what they did? Waste by any means shouldn't be tolerated. If you aren't going to eat it or even donate it to some cause, why do it?

Had all of that went into the freezer, I'd have no problem with it, excpet for it being in my spot which I may go to fists behind it. I agree with what you are saying, it is wrong to waste a taken life. However I haven't seen anywhere that said the birds, that the guy this thread is bashing, went to waste.

Don't know what Foiles did just telling about the people I know that you were defending with your previous statements.

[Tomkat]

Lets get back on track. This is not about what you may or may not do. This is not about the duck commander. This is mot about punishment or wanton waste.

This is about crossing a line between whats right and whats wrong. Without the laws on the books to protect the resource, there will always be a dick head that will kill just to kill. And when one dickhead turns into 1,000 dickheads, we get problems.

Should we start shooting bald eagles because everyone is doing it now? Laws are established for a reason. One of those reasons is people like Foiles who will kill geese to have bands so he can feel superior about himself.


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[assateague]

For the record, I think he's a jackass. But I believe he and I would not get along, and he would be a jackass whether he was a welder, football player, cashier, or short order cook. He just comes across as that sort of guy.

Want to ban him from hunting for life? Fine. But you DO NOT put someone in prison for killing birds, as long as there are people who DO NOT go to prison for raping little kids. Really- how fucked up is it that his crime is viewed as somehow more horrible than that? And PETA can go pound sand. I don't give a shit what they think of me, or hunters and hunting in general. I've said it before- this whole "we shouldn't offend them and should do all we can to not piss them off" attitude is what's going to kill the sport. I'm not going to cover my game, talk about it as "harvesting" instead of "killing", or pretend like I feel bad about it. I like doing it. I respect the hell out of every animal I kill, yet cuss every one that I miss. I don't give a flying fuck what PETA or any other organization has to say about it. It's beyond the time where hunters need to start expecting the ANTI-HUNTERS to bend over backwards to not offend US. We're the ones that pay all the bills for the fucking tree-huggers to go out and look at nature. Fuck them.

[assateague]

[rebelp74]

For the record, I think he's a jackass. But I believe he and I would not get along, and he would be a jackass whether he was a welder, football player, cashier, or short order cook. He just comes across as that sort of guy.

Want to ban him from hunting for life? Fine. But you DO NOT put someone in prison for killing birds, as long as there are people who DO NOT go to prison for raping little kids. Really- how fucked up is it that his crime is viewed as somehow more horrible than that? And PETA can go pound sand. I don't give a shit what they think of me, or hunters and hunting in general. I've said it before- this whole "we shouldn't offend them and should do all we can to not piss them off" attitude is what's going to kill the sport. I'm not going to cover my game, talk about it as "harvesting" instead of "killing", or pretend like I feel bad about it. I like doing it. I respect the hell out of every animal I kill, yet cuss every one that I miss. I don't give a flying fuck what PETA or any other organization has to say about it. It's beyond the time where hunters need to start expecting the ANTI-HUNTERS to bend over backwards to not offend US. We're the ones that pay all the bills for the fucking tree-huggers to go out and look at nature. Fuck them.

Agreed 100%, especially with all of it.

[3legged_lab]

Jim, tonight in the kids hunter ed class, the instructor (state cop) told them to hide their harvest as to not "offend the people who don't like that sort of thing". Had to bite my tongue, not to avoid arguement, but to not slow the tempo of the class.

[assateague]

I despise that crap. I really, really do.

[DeadEye_Dan]

For the record, I think he's a jackass. But I believe he and I would not get along, and he would be a jackass whether he was a welder, football player, cashier, or short order cook. He just comes across as that sort of guy.

Want to ban him from hunting for life? Fine. But you DO NOT put someone in prison for killing birds, as long as there are people who DO NOT go to prison for raping little kids. Really- how fucked up is it that his crime is viewed as somehow more horrible than that? And PETA can go pound sand. I don't give a shit what they think of me, or hunters and hunting in general. I've said it before- this whole "we shouldn't offend them and should do all we can to not piss them off" attitude is what's going to kill the sport. I'm not going to cover my game, talk about it as "harvesting" instead of "killing", or pretend like I feel bad about it. I like doing it. I respect the hell out of every animal I kill, yet cuss every one that I miss. I don't give a flying fuck what PETA or any other organization has to say about it. It's beyond the time where hunters need to start expecting the ANTI-HUNTERS to bend over backwards to not offend US. We're the ones that pay all the bills for the fucking tree-huggers to go out and look at nature. Fuck them.

People who grossly over limit for financial gain should do jail time.

People who rape children (or adults) should not get jail time. They should go to a hole in the ground.

And fuck PETA, HSUS and the other animal rights crazies.

[NuffDaddy]

He knew the punishment before he did it. So I think he got everything he deserved. just like I know the punishment for speeding, I wouldn't be happy but I would have no problem paying the fine for doing it if I get caught.

[Tomkat]

AT,

I bet you would agree with the TomKat code of punishment, section 3, part 24-66.
It is very clear about what the penalty for child abuse is. Lets just say jail is not an option.

For me, jail IS for people like Foiles; punishment that is not severe, but restricts your freedom and makes you think.

For the "bad" crimes, I have a much faster, much more severe, and much bigger deterrent in mind.

Jail is for people worth saving. Many in the penal system are beyond saving.

[goodkarmarising]

How the idiot treated another man's dog is enough reason for me not to ever hunt with him or buy one one of his calls. A jackass that would shoot another man's dog than send the vet bill to the guy has more than shown his true colors.

[Tomkat]

How the idiot treated another man's dog is enough reason for me not to ever hunt with him or buy one one of his calls. A jackass that would shoot another man's dog than send the vet bill to the guy has more than shown his true colors.

I forgot about that. If I remember right, he settled out of court to the tune of $25,000 for that dog, right?

I was so inspired by this thread I wrote a special haiku for Mr Foiles

[goodkarmarising]

http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2011-10- ... kies/full/



The duck club had been transformed into Foiles' personal fiefdom.

"It got so bizarre up there that none of my associates would go," Marschuetz remembers. "He controlled every hunt, where you shot, when you shot. You couldn't bring any duck call in blind but his duck call. It was ridiculous."

Late in the season, Foiles asked if he could borrow Marschuetz's beloved black Lab, Junior. The businessman had forged an unusually tight bond with the dog (and had spent $25,000 to acquire and train him). He agreed but asked Foiles to be careful.

The next day Foiles texted the bad news: A duck had swooped low in front of the pit. Junior crashed into the icy water a bit early. Foiles accidentally shot Junior in the back of the neck, killing him.

Marschuetz was crushed — and bitter.

"There are no 'accidents' in shooting dogs," he says. "That's negligence. I'm sorry, but that's what it is. He was shooting at a duck he shouldn't have been shooting at."

Yet the matter wasn't quite over: Within a couple days the veterinarian mailed Marschuetz the bill. Foiles later apologized and paid it. But the friendship had disintegrated. Foiles ultimately bought out Marschuetz in April 2008.

"Financially it was fair," Marschuetz says of the split. "But emotionally it was devastating. This wasn't the same man I'd hunted with back in 1995."


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[assateague]

Like I said, I just don't like the guy.

But should you go to prison for taking your dog out back and ending his misery? There is jail time for that, most places. And hey, the law is the law.

As for the government locking him up "because it's the law, and he knew what he was doing", I agree. He knew the law and broke it. What I am arguing is that the law is stupid, not that he shouldn't have been punished under it. The government has taken the regulation of game to a ridiculous level, IMO. Bear with me, here. The government wants to claim "these are our birds", or in the case of other game, the states claim "these are our animals". But yet they want no responsibility. If one of my horses gets out, and a car hits it, I am on the hook, both legally and financially. Because it's my horse. So why can't I send a bill to the state when I hit a deer, and have them buy me a new car? Did USFWS get a bill from United for a new jet when one crashed from sucking up a goose? How about just a bill for a new engine for those which don't crash?

If you're going to tell me what, how, when, and where I am allowed to shoot something, and charge me to do it, then that pretty much makes the animal "yours". And as such, you (the government who does all that) should also have to take responsibility for the actions and damages of "your" animals. I can't a deer in my woods, or a goose on my pond, because they are "the government's animals". Fine. Then they should have to take financial and legal responsibility for them, the same as I would have to do if my horse caused an accident or my kid threw a baseball through the neighbor's window. But instead, they want to have their cake and eat it too, claiming "ownership" and imposing ridiculous fines "for the common good" without taking any real responsibility.

I daresay that they would be less likely to take away someone's property for a violation if they were just as much on the hook for having to foot the bill for damage caused by that same critter. Anymore, the fines and penalties are revenue generators rather than true "punishments". If I get a ticket for reckless driving, the fine is lower than the fine for me shooting a duck 2 minutes before LST. How many people are harmed by traffic accidents? And how many people are harmed by those shooting ducks too early? It's a bunch of shit designed to make money. Period.