The Choice

[Bootlipkiller]

Wait.... A ducks not a bird???:lol:

Nope, They are waterfowl......it's cooler.

So much mean!

[goodkarmarising]

Snow geese.

[DC727]

Snow geese.

I'm beyond excited to try that out next spring

[3geese4me]

Snow geese.

I'm beyond excited to try that out next spring

It is an experience like no other.

[rebelp74]

Snow geese.

I'm beyond excited to try that out next spring

It is an experience like no other.

The truth, nothing like a goose tornado.

[jarbo03]

Duck. Then goose. In March, snow geese.

Deviation from this is un american (jarbo)



Blog- http://www.ksducks.com

Ha! One of these days you will become a real man and see straight. It's all about the dog work.

Upland birds for me, but please don't make me choose, I like killing everything.
Unless it is bobwhites, they don't challenge the dogs much

[Tomkat]

Duck. Then goose. In March, snow geese.

Deviation from this is un american (jarbo)



Blog- http://www.ksducks.com

Ha! One of these days you will become a real man and see straight. It's all about the dog work.

Upland birds for me, but please don't make me choose, I like killing everything.
Unless it is bobwhites, they don't challenge the dogs much

Well look whos back from Arkansas....

[sws002]

Duck. Then goose. In March, snow geese.

Deviation from this is un american (jarbo)



Blog- http://www.ksducks.com

Ha! One of these days you will become a real man and see straight. It's all about the dog work.

Upland birds for me, but please don't make me choose, I like killing everything.
Unless it is bobwhites, they don't challenge the dogs much

Ya, but they are a hell a lot of fun when you're not expecting them. We don't get into but about 1-2 coveys in a good year, and it's always just dumb luck, never actually hunting them. Makes for quite a surprise.

[Mornin Beef]

ducks. then bloody mary. then banana clip squirrel shoot

[Rick]

Unless it is bobwhites, they don't challenge the dogs much

Yours must be dull witted bobs. Two or three telemetry studies have shown that they regularly beat seasoned dogs.

[Bootlipkiller]

Unless it is bobwhites, they don't challenge the dogs much

Yours must be dull witted bobs. Two or three telemetry studies have shown that they regularly beat seasoned dogs.

Rick you really need to get out more!

[Rick]

How so?

[Bootlipkiller]

How so?

Your debating the wit of bobwhite and using telemetry study's as evidence. Sounds like an episode of Big Bang theory but worse!:lol:

[Rick]

Odds are great I've hunted them more often, in more places and over more dogs than most here, but my anecdotal experience isn't necessarily more telling than the next guy's. There's simply no way for any of us to be aware of more than a fraction of the birds that beat our dogs - unless those birds are being tracked by radio telemetry. The state of Oklahoma has done that on one of their management areas, the Tall Timbers Research Station has done it on multiple Southern plantations, and Ames Plantation has done it on the grounds the National Bird Dog Championship is run on, and all have shown the bobs kicking the dogs' butts.

[Bootlipkiller]

Just busting your balls Rick. I don't know shit about bobwhite other then the fought for the confederacy in the civil war!:)

[rebelp74]

Odds are great I've hunted them more often, in more places and over more dogs than most here, but my anecdotal experience isn't necessarily more telling than the next guy's. There's simply no way for any of us to be aware of more than a fraction of the birds that beat our dogs - unless those birds are being tracked by radio telemetry. The state of Oklahoma has done that on one of their management areas, the Tall Timbers Research Station has done it on multiple Southern plantations, and Ames Plantation has done it on the grounds the National Bird Dog Championship is run on, and all have shown the bobs kicking the dogs' butts.

If this is a troll, you're the king.

[Rick]

I'm not nearly clever enough to be a troll.

[rebelp74]

I'm not nearly clever enough to be a troll.

Yea but that would've been helluva a convincing one.

[Bootlipkiller]

I'm not nearly clever enough to be a troll.

Your smart enough! You just don't want to!:D

[GadwallGetter530]

If you had good bird hunting, would you bird hunt or duck hunting?

Big balls of teal, courtship of wigeon, Huge waves of sprig, gadwall stalling out over the decoys, and mallards back peddling into the hole................. NUFF SAID. I'D PICK WATERFOWL. THAT SHIT GETS ME HARD!

[3legged_lab]

I'm smellin' what yer steppin' in.

[GadwallGetter530]

Yeah, But I really do love upland too. I have an addiction to dove and pheasant hunting. But if I had to pick, it be ducks and geese all the way.

[jarbo03]

Duck. Then goose. In March, snow geese.

Deviation from this is un american (jarbo)



Blog- http://www.ksducks.com

Ha! One of these days you will become a real man and see straight. It's all about the dog work.

Upland birds for me, but please don't make me choose, I like killing everything.
Unless it is bobwhites, they don't challenge the dogs much

Well look whos back from Arkansas....

You know I had to say that cause you grew up upland hunting and are a recent transplant to waterfowl. Maybe MT will change your mind a little.

[3geese4me]

I will say this though, I have had an upland hunt or two save my ass on a lousy waterfowl hunt.

[jarbo03]

Odds are great I've hunted them more often, in more places and over more dogs than most here, but my anecdotal experience isn't necessarily more telling than the next guy's. There's simply no way for any of us to be aware of more than a fraction of the birds that beat our dogs - unless those birds are being tracked by radio telemetry. The state of Oklahoma has done that on one of their management areas, the Tall Timbers Research Station has done it on multiple Southern plantations, and Ames Plantation has done it on the grounds the National Bird Dog Championship is run on, and all have shown the bobs kicking the dogs' butts.

I've seen the same studies, has never been my experiences though. There have definitely been days where the quail win, but they are very few. To a dog that hunts pheasant in open prairie and thin cover, the quail are not close to the same challenge.

I have seen dogs that IMO were average at best, have great days on bobs numerous times. Taz has a ways to go to reach the level of my last 2 britts on upland, his first 2 years have been the worst years in KS upland hunting in ages, that makes it tough. The sharpies and pheasant in MT haven't been much of a challenge, they are dumber than shit, the huns are a different story though, they are tough.

[Rick]

Don't know why you found the studies unconvincing, but given their findings and what I've pretty much accidentally witnessed, I don't believe we're aware of but a small fraction of the times quail, or any bird, beats the dogs.

Didn't do my pheasant hunting on real "prairies," but it was my introduction to wingshooting and wild pheasant hunting my first love for a time, and my experience has apparently differed with yours on them, too. I liked working scattered pheasants in thin cover with a big wheeled pointing dog. Hated trying to work thick cover, and particularly row crops, that were loaded with birds. Scattered birds in thin cover held very well for a decisive dog that slammed his points. (Creepy bird dogs beget creepy birds, presumably because the birds think they're busted and being stalked. While the decisive dog has the advantage of appearing not to be aware of a hiding bird and going to pass it, until he slams point and puts it in a pickle. But, hey, he's not moving closer, so hiding here is still working.) With lots of birds in row crops, stampedes were all too common. I liked working such places a whole lot better after they'd just been driven, which culled the runners and left the hiders.

But, as I'm sure you're aware, though some here may not believe, upland dog folks are even worse than retrieverites for disagreeing over what's best where.

To the OP's question, which I've been pondering, it may be telling that I originally stayed in South Louisiana, instead of moving on to North Dakota as planned, not for the waterfowl but for the quail and woodcock. Was of the "ruffed grouse is King" school and had even ordered eight years of my life around hunting them virtually daily in season when not on the road for other, most likely upland, game, until quail in thick places won me over. Pick one quick, before they're - crap, all gone.

[jarbo03]

Upland guys are way worse than retriever guys. I never said their findings were wrong, but of all the birds I hunt, bobs are by far the easiest for the dogs to handle.

[Tomkat]

Duck. Then goose. In March, snow geese.

Deviation from this is un american (jarbo)



Blog- http://www.ksducks.com

Ha! One of these days you will become a real man and see straight. It's all about the dog work.

Upland birds for me, but please don't make me choose, I like killing everything.
Unless it is bobwhites, they don't challenge the dogs much

Well look whos back from Arkansas....

You know I had to say that cause you grew up upland hunting and are a recent transplant to waterfowl. Maybe MT will change your mind a little.

I hope it does. But I have hunted behind many great upland dogs and still get off better seeing a good water retrieve. Its apples and oranges but I like to watch birds work.



Blog- http://www.ksducks.com

[one2many]

i have some decent bird hunting around here, but i would much rather watch my dogs running fur down and dispatch it

[rebelp74]

i have some decent bird hunting around here, but i would much rather watch my dogs running fur down and dispatch it

hogs?