Honestly curious on your opinion

[waterfowlman]

Yeah, Im not sure it was the "right" thing to do, but I don't think I can fault the cops for tazing him. When it was going down it was probably a cluster. A lot of split second decisions were made without the luxury of time. Don't know if I can say one way or the other.

Was very curious to get input from other people so naturally I turn to the most degenerate people I know.

You"ve become a fucking troll Doc.

[The Duck Hammer]

How many guess will it take to figure out how I voted?

The man owned the house and the property it was on.
The man was making a free choice to risk his own life

This shit is out of control.

You said the cops were wrong.

[3legged_lab]

I bet those cops yelled "STOP RESISTING!".

[tclaude]

The guy was in the house when the fire started. He left without the kid and only tried to go back in AFTER the police/fire got there. Don't make him out to be a hero just yet... Tough call all around.

[Bootlipkiller]

This has gone to far! I'm going to work tomorrow and quitting.

[rebelp74]

This has gone to far! I'm going to work tomorrow and quitting.

Do a desk pop and yell fuck the police!

[Redbeard]

After spending the last ten minutes on the shitter I've become enlightened. Y'all are right. He owned the house. This is a free country. He has all the right to enter the house no matter how intense the fire was to save that kid. No one should take that right away from him. Another case of civil rights being infringed upon

[Redbeard]

This has gone to far! I'm going to work tomorrow and quitting.

Do a desk pop and yell fuck the police!

he's actually already done a desk pop back when he was in training

[Feelin' Fowl]

He may have been one of Stan Lee's superhumans...

I'd fully expect this response from you and your avatar

He could have been SUPER (thanks for asking)!

[rebelp74]

After spending the last ten minutes on the shitter I've become enlightened. Y'all are right. He owned the house. This is a free country. He has all the right to enter the house no matter how intense the fire was to save that kid. No one should take that right away from him. Another case of civil rights being infringed upon

Hey Rodney King beater, you left out the @.

[Bootlipkiller]

After spending the last ten minutes on the shitter I've become enlightened. Y'all are right. He owned the house. This is a free country. He has all the right to enter the house no matter how intense the fire was to save that kid. No one should take that right away from him. Another case of civil rights being infringed upon

Shall not!!! Shall not my friend!

[Redbeard]

After spending the last ten minutes on the shitter I've become enlightened. Y'all are right. He owned the house. This is a free country. He has all the right to enter the house no matter how intense the fire was to save that kid. No one should take that right away from him. Another case of civil rights being infringed upon

Hey Rodney King beater, you left out the @.

no I didn't. I saw the light

[rebelp74]

After spending the last ten minutes on the shitter I've become enlightened. Y'all are right. He owned the house. This is a free country. He has all the right to enter the house no matter how intense the fire was to save that kid. No one should take that right away from him. Another case of civil rights being infringed upon

Hey Rodney King beater, you left out the @.

no I didn't. I saw the light

You need to breath between strains and grunts.

[Olly]

After spending the last ten minutes on the shitter I've become enlightened. Y'all are right. He owned the house. This is a free country. He has all the right to enter the house no matter how intense the fire was to save that kid. No one should take that right away from him. Another case of civil rights being infringed upon

Please take this with a grain of salt because we really are friends, but Red not everyone needs you to be their protector.

[Redbeard]

Olly I've taken a change in my stance. You're 100% right. I'm in full agreement with you

[waterfowlman]

Olly I've taken a change in my stance. You're 100% right. I'm in full agreement with you

Red, you're forgetting the @ in most of your posts.
Either that or your wife has hacked your account.

[Tiler_J]

After spending the last ten minutes on the shitter I've become enlightened. Y'all are right. He owned the house. This is a free country. He has all the right to enter the house no matter how intense the fire was to save that kid. No one should take that right away from him. Another case of civil rights being infringed upon

Please take this with a grain of salt because we really are friends, but Red not everyone needs you to be their protector.

I believe he already agreed with you, why are you beating a dead horse? You are right we all agree, the world would be a better place without cops.

[3legged_lab]

After spending the last ten minutes on the shitter I've become enlightened. Y'all are right. He owned the house. This is a free country. He has all the right to enter the house no matter how intense the fire was to save that kid. No one should take that right away from him. Another case of civil rights being infringed upon

Hey Rodney King beater, you left out the @.

no I didn't. I saw the light

You need to breath between strains and grunts.

Sometimes rocking a little helps too.

[Redbeard]

In fact work next week should be fun. I'll ignore every call. When granny's car breaks down and she's waving at me for help, I'll give her the "I'm headed to coffee" sign and blow by her

[Bootlipkiller]

I quit! I have been a sheep for so long but now I am free! I feel like Charlton Heston at the end of planet of the apes.

[Redbeard]

Olly I've taken a change in my stance. You're 100% right. I'm in full agreement with you

Red, you're forgetting the @ in most of your posts.
Either that or your wife has hacked your account.

no sarcasm here Rick. Folks find enlightenment in different ways. Mine happened on the crapper. But I'm done violating rights

[Redbeard]

After spending the last ten minutes on the shitter I've become enlightened. Y'all are right. He owned the house. This is a free country. He has all the right to enter the house no matter how intense the fire was to save that kid. No one should take that right away from him. Another case of civil rights being infringed upon

Hey Rodney King beater, you left out the @.

no I didn't. I saw the light

You need to breath between strains and grunts.

Sometimes rocking a little helps too.

so does getting naked

[Bootlipkiller]

Olly I've taken a change in my stance. You're 100% right. I'm in full agreement with you

Red, you're forgetting the @ in most of your posts.
Either that or your wife has hacked your account.

no sarcasm here Rick. Folks find enlightenment in different ways. Mine happened on the crapper. But I'm done violating rights

X2 mine came as I was painting snow goose decoys!

[waterfowlman]

Olly I've taken a change in my stance. You're 100% right. I'm in full agreement with you

Red, you're forgetting the @ in most of your posts.
Either that or your wife has hacked your account.

no sarcasm here Rick. Folks find enlightenment in different ways. Mine happened on the crapper. But I'm done violating rights

I hope that doesn't include those tree climbing hippies.

[Redbeard]

Olly I've taken a change in my stance. You're 100% right. I'm in full agreement with you

Red, you're forgetting the @ in most of your posts.
Either that or your wife has hacked your account.

no sarcasm here Rick. Folks find enlightenment in different ways. Mine happened on the crapper. But I'm done violating rights

X2 mine came as I was painting snow goose decoys!

that's what I'm saying man. Some folks go thru traumatic experiences only to see the light. Others not so glamorous. Ours wasn't glamorous. But regardless we did see the light

[Redbeard]

Olly I've taken a change in my stance. You're 100% right. I'm in full agreement with you

Red, you're forgetting the @ in most of your posts.
Either that or your wife has hacked your account.

no sarcasm here Rick. Folks find enlightenment in different ways. Mine happened on the crapper. But I'm done violating rights

I hope that doesn't include those tree climbing hippies.

it absolutely does include them. Who am I to say they can't sleep 100' up in a redwood? The government doesn't own that tree. The people do. They are the people

[Bootlipkiller]

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

[assateague]

Oh shit! Here we go again!

That's a tough one Doc. The stepdad's life was saved. But yes it is a free country.

Pops entering the building coulda put firefighters lives in danger trying to save him as well.

On the other hand, the news story the next morning would've read "last night local fire and police officials allowed a man to enter a home engulfed in flames. The man perished as fire personnel stood by and watched without making an attempt to save him. The local district attorney is filing charges against all fire and police official on scene. The case is currently under review."

I'm with Red on this one, by stopping the guy from entering the building they did exactly what they are trained to do. If they let the step dad in then decide they need to go rescue him as well then at least two firefighters have to enter the structure. With two more ready to go at the door if they go down. As hard as it is there is really no winning in a situation like this.

If they already decided they weren't going to enter for the kid, why would they suddenly need to enter because someone else ran in?

I'm not a cop, but I can't imagine that they are trained for situations like this. I'm sure that the LEO's can argue that other training they have recieved can be applied here, but I find it hard to believe that this situation is covered in the academy.

I don't like that the guy wasn't allowed to make an attempt to go in, but on the other hand, I believe that most law enforcement agencies use the motto "To protect and serve". If that's accurate, then I would say that the cop was protecting the dad, and you could make an argument that he was trained to do just that...

I'm not sure how to feel about this one. Prayers for the family involved, and thankful that it wasn't something that I was involved in from either side.

The situation changes when he enters. If it's bad enough they wont let firefighters in there is little chance the dad will make it more than a few steps in before he collapses from smoke inhalation, left to die or require rescuing.

So what? If I want to die, that's my business. Maybe the guy didn't want to live with that guilt. Who cares? Protect people from others, not themselves. I'm a firm believer in self-determination and social Darwinism. Quit throwing monkey wrenches into them both.

There's a Chinese proverb that says if you save a man's life, you are responsible for him. We like to think that they would owe you, but I'm with the Chinamen on this one. If he gets drunk 6 days a week because of the burden of guilt, repeatedly bears his wife in a drunken stupor, then kills 4 kids in a DUI crash after drinking all night, who'd they really help? Don't go saving someone's life that doesn't want to be saved unless you're ready to take responsibility for them forever.

[Redbeard]

Amen. I'm on board

[rebelp74]

I'm sensing a little west coast butt hurt.