AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[(MT)Montanafowler]

We kissed and made up, but if he's going to take a holier than thou attitude, he better make damn sure his Is are dotted and his Ts are crossed.

AT, what was your beef with him?


overall i think baiting is not that big of a deal, but as a public figurehead of waterfowling, he needs to have his shit together.

You're studying wildlife biology, and you don't have a problem with baiting waterfowl?

You're right to question your future.

how so? in the big scheme of things, is it really that big of a deal? hell it's legal to hunt them in grain fields. old grandmas feed birds at the park all the time. In some states you can kill deer over corn. it's all the same thing until you toss out corn and have a gun in your hand for a duck, then you're a "FUCKING POACHER!"

just because i study WB doesn't mean i have to agree with every law ever written concerning wildlife. Personal ethics aside, it's Caesar's law and a law abiding citizen follows that law, but i'm not gonna Damn someone to the fires of Hell over killing a bird over corn.

[The Duck Hammer]

We kissed and made up, but if he's going to take a holier than thou attitude, he better make damn sure his Is are dotted and his Ts are crossed.

AT, what was your beef with him?


overall i think baiting is not that big of a deal, but as a public figurehead of waterfowling, he needs to have his shit together.

You're studying wildlife biology, and you don't have a problem with baiting waterfowl?

You're right to question your future.

I don't get baiting laws. Realistically they make no difference. You can only kill 6 legally and adding bait is only going to quicken the time it takes to kill those 6. Right?

[(MT)Montanafowler]

I don't get baiting laws. Realistically they make no difference. You can only kill 6 legally and adding bait is only going to quicken the time it takes to kill those 6. Right?

exactly, it's just another method.

[DeadEye_Dan]

We kissed and made up, but if he's going to take a holier than thou attitude, he better make damn sure his Is are dotted and his Ts are crossed.

AT, what was your beef with him?


overall i think baiting is not that big of a deal, but as a public figurehead of waterfowling, he needs to have his shit together.

You're studying wildlife biology, and you don't have a problem with baiting waterfowl?

You're right to question your future.

how so? in the big scheme of things, is it really that big of a deal? hell it's legal to hunt them in grain fields. old grandmas feed birds at the park all the time. In some states you can kill deer over corn. it's all the same thing until you toss out corn and have a gun in your hand for a duck, then you're a "FUCKING POACHER!"

just because i study WB doesn't mean i have to agree with every law ever written concerning wildlife. Personal ethics aside, it's Caesar's law and a law abiding citizen follows that law, but i'm not gonna Damn someone to the fires of Hell over killing a bird over corn.

You're comparing two totally different things.

Deer for the most part aren't migratory, putting feed out for them isn't going to change things drastically - it's just going to put them into a spot where you can kill them easier.

Think of the implications that widespread baiting in the northern climates would have for migratory waterfowl.
The bait would keep the birds in an area far longer than they should be because there is available food. The natural cycle is that they move ahead of harsh weather, feeding as they go.
Radio transmitters have documented Mallards flying upwards of 800 miles in one flight - those long non-stop flights also burn nearly 50% of their body weight.
Potentially, baiting could keep birds in an area so long that they wouldn't have enough available food within flying distance to allow them to survive the balance of a winter, after depleting the majority of their energy.

It's not just affecting the 6 birds you killed, it's affecting the entire population.

[DeadEye_Dan]

And sorry guys, but it's utterly shameful what "hunting" had become.

I (and I'm sure others) could see 20 years ago that woodsmanship and outdoor knowledge were going the way of the dinosaur.

We now have entire generations of people whose entire idea of hunting is waiting by a pile of feed.

Why not just save the time and money and go to the store?

[jarbo03]

And sorry guys, but it's utterly shameful what "hunting" had become.

I (and I'm sure others) could see 20 years ago that woodsmanship and outdoor knowledge were going the way of the dinosaur.

We now have entire generations of people whose entire idea of hunting is waiting by a pile of feed.

Why not just save the time and money and go to the store?

[RonE]

And sorry guys, but it's utterly shameful what "hunting" had become.

I (and I'm sure others) could see 20 years ago that woodsmanship and outdoor knowledge were going the way of the dinosaur.

We now have entire generations of people whose entire idea of hunting is waiting by a pile of feed.

Why not just save the time and money and go to the store?

X2
Now, riddle me this: Why do hunters in deer stands that are in front of corn feeders wear cammo gear?

[NuffDaddy]

And sorry guys, but it's utterly shameful what "hunting" had become.

I (and I'm sure others) could see 20 years ago that woodsmanship and outdoor knowledge were going the way of the dinosaur.

We now have entire generations of people whose entire idea of hunting is waiting by a pile of feed.

Why not just save the time and money and go to the store?

Couldn't agree more with you. When I'm taking to some of my buddies about how I deer hunt they think I'm crazy. For bow season I strap on a portable treestand and 12 tie on tree steps. I walk into the wind until I see something that looks good, find a clump of trees and climb up. Some of my friends spend damn near a grand on food and countless hours hauling it out.

[DeadEye_Dan]

Because they are "Hunting"...duh.



* in response to RonE's riddle.

[NuffDaddy]

And sorry guys, but it's utterly shameful what "hunting" had become.

I (and I'm sure others) could see 20 years ago that woodsmanship and outdoor knowledge were going the way of the dinosaur.

We now have entire generations of people whose entire idea of hunting is waiting by a pile of feed.

Why not just save the time and money and go to the store?

X2
Now, riddle me this: Why do hunters in deer stands that are in front of corn feeders wear cammo gear?

Looks cool

[Eric Haynes]

We kissed and made up, but if he's going to take a holier than thou attitude, he better make damn sure his Is are dotted and his Ts are crossed.

AT, what was your beef with him?


overall i think baiting is not that big of a deal, but as a public figurehead of waterfowling, he needs to have his shit together.

You're studying wildlife biology, and you don't have a problem with baiting waterfowl?

You're right to question your future.

how so? in the big scheme of things, is it really that big of a deal? hell it's legal to hunt them in grain fields. old grandmas feed birds at the park all the time. In some states you can kill deer over corn. it's all the same thing until you toss out corn and have a gun in your hand for a duck, then you're a "FUCKING POACHER!"

just because i study WB doesn't mean i have to agree with every law ever written concerning wildlife. Personal ethics aside, it's Caesar's law and a law abiding citizen follows that law, but i'm not gonna Damn someone to the fires of Hell over killing a bird over corn.

You're comparing two totally different things.

Deer for the most part aren't migratory, putting feed out for them isn't going to change things drastically - it's just going to put them into a spot where you can kill them easier.

Think of the implications that widespread baiting in the northern climates would have for migratory waterfowl.
The bait would keep the birds in an area far longer than they should be because there is available food. The natural cycle is that they move ahead of harsh weather, feeding as they go.
Radio transmitters have documented Mallards flying upwards of 800 miles in one flight - those long non-stop flights also burn nearly 50% of their body weight.
Potentially, baiting could keep birds in an area so long that they wouldn't have enough available food within flying distance to allow them to survive the balance of a winter, after depleting the majority of their energy.

It's not just affecting the 6 birds you killed, it's affecting the entire population.

It's not that I disagree completely, but putting a 50lb of corn into a pond is a microscopic amount, probably .000000000000000000000000000000000001% of what farms in the US produce in crop waste every day. If you think baiting is bad, why not boycott any farm that wastes even 1 single grain because it disrupts animals natural habitat and progression. While I have never baited anything, simply because there is no need for it here, I don't see a damn thing wrong with it in the scheme of things.

How far back do you want to go back to say "That style is long gone"? You mean back when there were market hunter? Maybe back when we were pumping birds and waterways full of lead? When is a "better" time to look back on?

[The Duck Hammer]

And sorry guys, but it's utterly shameful what "hunting" had become.

I (and I'm sure others) could see 20 years ago that woodsmanship and outdoor knowledge were going the way of the dinosaur.

We now have entire generations of people whose entire idea of hunting is waiting by a pile of feed.

Why not just save the time and money and go to the store?

X2
Now, riddle me this: Why do hunters in deer stands that are in front of corn feeders wear cammo gear?

You've clearly never bow hunted from a stand.

[NuffDaddy]

The problem I have with baiting is it reduces the quality of hunt for everyone. If you could bait waterfowl, everyone would have a bag of corn thrown out along the shoreline every 100 yards. So what got accomplished? Hunting is no better on the bay because there is food everywhere and the people that used to kill birds in ag fields won't be able to because the ducks have all the food they need in the water. So what do they do? They start hunting the bay too...so now all that was accomplished is people have to spend money and time to haul bait to compete with the other spots just so they can kill the same or less birds than they would have without everyone baiting. Same thing with spinners. If no one could use them, the hunting would be the same or better with one less thing to spend money on and one less thing to carry out and set up.
Same goes for deer hunting. If there wasn't bait anywhere the deer would have to move more to find natural food sources and everyone would see more deer.

[DeadEye_Dan]

[quote="assateague"]We kissed and made up, but if he's going to take a holier than thou attitude, he better make damn sure his Is are dotted and his Ts are crossed.

AT, what was your beef with him?


overall i think baiting is not that big of a deal, but as a public figurehead of waterfowling, he needs to have his shit together.

You're studying wildlife biology, and you don't have a problem with baiting waterfowl?

You're right to question your future.

how so? in the big scheme of things, is it really that big of a deal? hell it's legal to hunt them in grain fields. old grandmas feed birds at the park all the time. In some states you can kill deer over corn. it's all the same thing until you toss out corn and have a gun in your hand for a duck, then you're a "FUCKING POACHER!"

just because i study WB doesn't mean i have to agree with every law ever written concerning wildlife. Personal ethics aside, it's Caesar's law and a law abiding citizen follows that law, but i'm not gonna Damn someone to the fires of Hell over killing a bird over corn.

You're comparing two totally different things.

Deer for the most part aren't migratory, putting feed out for them isn't going to change things drastically - it's just going to put them into a spot where you can kill them easier.

Think of the implications that widespread baiting in the northern climates would have for migratory waterfowl.
The bait would keep the birds in an area far longer than they should be because there is available food. The natural cycle is that they move ahead of harsh weather, feeding as they go.
Radio transmitters have documented Mallards flying upwards of 800 miles in one flight - those long non-stop flights also burn nearly 50% of their body weight.
Potentially, baiting could keep birds in an area so long that they wouldn't have enough available food within flying distance to allow them to survive the balance of a winter, after depleting the majority of their energy.

It's not just affecting the 6 birds you killed, it's affecting the entire population.

It's not that I disagree completely, but putting a 50lb of corn into a pond is a microscopic amount, probably .000000000000000000000000000000000001% of what farms in the US produce in crop waste every day. If you think baiting is bad, why not boycott any farm that wastes even 1 single grain because it disrupts animals natural habitat and progression. While I have never baited anything, simply because there is no need for it here, I don't see a damn thing wrong with it in the scheme of things.

How far back do you want to go back to say "That style is long gone"? You mean back when there were market hunter? Maybe back when we were pumping birds and waterways full of lead? When is a "better" time to look back on?[/quote]

I guess I clearly see a difference between normal agricultural practices that waste a little grain and keeping an area baited. And if you followed any modern equipment around a field, you'd be shocked how little grain is actually left.

And baiting tends to become an "arms race" so to speak.
One guy puts out 5lbs of corn, and then his neighbor puts out 50lbs and then a club starts buying semi-loads and dumping them...I've watched it happen with the idiot deer waiters in this state.

And I get your point as well - I take advantage of modern times and wear Gore-tex and neoprene, and use 4stoke outboards. It's just irksome that there are those who think they HAVE to HAVE that stuff to succeed.

[capt1972]

And sorry guys, but it's utterly shameful what "hunting" had become.

I (and I'm sure others) could see 20 years ago that woodsmanship and outdoor knowledge were going the way of the dinosaur.

We now have entire generations of people whose entire idea of hunting is waiting by a pile of feed.

Why not just save the time and money and go to the store?

I used to go to the store but the manager asked the police to tell me not to come back "ever again"! Some stupid shit about people running out of the store "fearing for their lives" at the sight of me in camo carrying a bow. And for the record, a rib-eye is harder to hit than you would think all the way from the chip isle.

[The Duck Hammer]

I see your point on duck hunting and I have never/will never hunt them over bait. But I have to call bull on your deer theory. On the field I hunt I have pictures of a buck that guys have pictures of several miles to the west and several miles to the south. The buck covers all that land even though he goes past 8-10 feeders that I know of maybe more.

[Redbeard]

We kissed and made up, but if he's going to take a holier than thou attitude, he better make damn sure his Is are dotted and his Ts are crossed.

AT, what was your beef with him?


overall i think baiting is not that big of a deal, but as a public figurehead of waterfowling, he needs to have his shit together.

You're studying wildlife biology, and you don't have a problem with baiting waterfowl?

You're right to question your future.

how so? in the big scheme of things, is it really that big of a deal? hell it's legal to hunt them in grain fields. old grandmas feed birds at the park all the time. In some states you can kill deer over corn. it's all the same thing until you toss out corn and have a gun in your hand for a duck, then you're a "FUCKING POACHER!"

just because i study WB doesn't mean i have to agree with every law ever written concerning wildlife. Personal ethics aside, it's Caesar's law and a law abiding citizen follows that law, but i'm not gonna Damn someone to the fires of Hell over killing a bird over corn.

the law's the law MT!

[capt1972]

AT, what was your beef with him?


overall i think baiting is not that big of a deal, but as a public figurehead of waterfowling, he needs to have his shit together.

You're studying wildlife biology, and you don't have a problem with baiting waterfowl?

You're right to question your future.

how so? in the big scheme of things, is it really that big of a deal? hell it's legal to hunt them in grain fields. old grandmas feed birds at the park all the time. In some states you can kill deer over corn. it's all the same thing until you toss out corn and have a gun in your hand for a duck, then you're a "FUCKING POACHER!"

just because i study WB doesn't mean i have to agree with every law ever written concerning wildlife. Personal ethics aside, it's Caesar's law and a law abiding citizen follows that law, but i'm not gonna Damn someone to the fires of Hell over killing a bird over corn.

the law's the law MT!

Red that sounds like an opinion to me and obviously has no place here!

[NuffDaddy]

I see your point on duck hunting and I have never/will never hunt them over bait. But I have to call bull on your deer theory. On the field I hunt I have pictures of a buck that guys have pictures of several miles to the west and several miles to the south. The buck covers all that land even though he goes past 8-10 feeders that I know of maybe more.

Up here the deer bed down in the thickest shit they can find by the best bait pile until it gets dark then go eat. The only exception is before season any maybe a day or 2 in...that and the rut. A buck will follow his pecker for miles.

[(MT)Montanafowler]

You're comparing two totally different things.

Deer for the most part aren't migratory, putting feed out for them isn't going to change things drastically - it's just going to put them into a spot where you can kill them easier.

Think of the implications that widespread baiting in the northern climates would have for migratory waterfowl.
The bait would keep the birds in an area far longer than they should be because there is available food. The natural cycle is that they move ahead of harsh weather, feeding as they go.
Radio transmitters have documented Mallards flying upwards of 800 miles in one flight - those long non-stop flights also burn nearly 50% of their body weight.
Potentially, baiting could keep birds in an area so long that they wouldn't have enough available food within flying distance to allow them to survive the balance of a winter, after depleting the majority of their energy.

It's not just affecting the 6 birds you killed, it's affecting the entire population.

No, i'm not. How is hunting ducks and geese in a field any different than hunting them over bait? a bait pile might interrupt a very small (statistically insignificant) amount of birds in an area for a very short time. your corn field has more of an effect than the largest bait pile ever could. a bait pile would only serve to, as you put it, "put them in a spot where you can kill them easier." you imply that there will be a vastly different outcome based on your opinion that deer don't migrate and ducks do. people already bait ducks in other ways as i explained and as far as i know, ducks still fly south.

you're giving a slippery slope explanation for why you think baiting is wrong, but there is zero evidence that any of that is true. if it were, nobody would kill ducks south of any Northern state anyway because there are shit tons of fields full of leftover grains for them to eat.

baiting laws are moot because of strictly enforced bag limit laws.

[assateague]

I will bait the shit out of anything I can get away with.

[Feelin' Fowl]

You're comparing two totally different things.

Deer for the most part aren't migratory, putting feed out for them isn't going to change things drastically - it's just going to put them into a spot where you can kill them easier.

Think of the implications that widespread baiting in the northern climates would have for migratory waterfowl.
The bait would keep the birds in an area far longer than they should be because there is available food. The natural cycle is that they move ahead of harsh weather, feeding as they go.
Radio transmitters have documented Mallards flying upwards of 800 miles in one flight - those long non-stop flights also burn nearly 50% of their body weight.
Potentially, baiting could keep birds in an area so long that they wouldn't have enough available food within flying distance to allow them to survive the balance of a winter, after depleting the majority of their energy.

It's not just affecting the 6 birds you killed, it's affecting the entire population.

No, i'm not. How is hunting ducks and geese in a field any different than hunting them over bait? a bait pile might interrupt a very small (statistically insignificant) amount of birds in an area for a very short time. your corn field has more of an effect than the largest bait pile ever could. a bait pile would only serve to, as you put it, "put them in a spot where you can kill them easier." you imply that there will be a vastly different outcome based on your opinion that deer don't migrate and ducks do. people already bait ducks in other ways as i explained and as far as i know, ducks still fly south.

you're giving a slippery slope explanation for why you think baiting is wrong, but there is zero evidence that any of that is true. if it were, nobody would kill ducks south of any Northern state anyway because there are shit tons of fields full of leftover grains for them to eat.

baiting laws are moot because of strictly enforced bag limit laws.

I'm glad Northern States don't get any ice or snow to cover all of that natural bait up...

[capt1972]

This is the pro who has his own line of calls right? piece of crap

First off, he is innocent until proven guilty. A citation don't mean anything.

I don't know you MB, but my guess is Sean Mann is a better caller than you. Maybe even a better hunter. I don't know if he is a better person than you, but he certainly is not, in my estimation, worthy of being called "piece of crap".

I have met him, and I thought he was a really good fella. I would take him hunting tomorrow if he asked me.

I am a little surprised Assateague would pubicly ridicule him; last time we talked you told me that this was all behind you.

[DeadEye_Dan]

You're comparing two totally different things.

Deer for the most part aren't migratory, putting feed out for them isn't going to change things drastically - it's just going to put them into a spot where you can kill them easier.

Think of the implications that widespread baiting in the northern climates would have for migratory waterfowl.
The bait would keep the birds in an area far longer than they should be because there is available food. The natural cycle is that they move ahead of harsh weather, feeding as they go.
Radio transmitters have documented Mallards flying upwards of 800 miles in one flight - those long non-stop flights also burn nearly 50% of their body weight.
Potentially, baiting could keep birds in an area so long that they wouldn't have enough available food within flying distance to allow them to survive the balance of a winter, after depleting the majority of their energy.

It's not just affecting the 6 birds you killed, it's affecting the entire population.

No, i'm not. How is hunting ducks and geese in a field any different than hunting them over bait? a bait pile might interrupt a very small (statistically insignificant) amount of birds in an area for a very short time. your corn field has more of an effect than the largest bait pile ever could. a bait pile would only serve to, as you put it, "put them in a spot where you can kill them easier." you imply that there will be a vastly different outcome based on your opinion that deer don't migrate and ducks do. people already bait ducks in other ways as i explained and as far as i know, ducks still fly south.

you're giving a slippery slope explanation for why you think baiting is wrong, but there is zero evidence that any of that is true. if it were, nobody would kill ducks south of any Northern state anyway because there are shit tons of fields full of leftover grains for them to eat.

baiting laws are moot because of strictly enforced bag limit laws.

I know you're stupid, so I'll type it slower.

When. The. Grain. In. The. Field. Is. Gone. The. Birds. Move. On.

When. You. Keep. Putting. Food. Out. (Ie. bait). They. Will. Stay. In. An. Area. Longer. Many. Times. To. The. Detriment. Of. Their. Ability. To. Migrate.




If. Baiting. And. Manipulating. Crop. Fields. Isn't. Wildly. Effective. Why. Do. All. The. Arkie. And. La. Hunters. Bitch. About. States. Like. Missouri. And. Illinois. Creating. Habitat. That. Short. Stops. Birds?

It's. Not. About. If. You. Can. Kill. Too. Many. Ducks. By. Baiting.
It's. About. Not. Disrupting. The. Natural. Migration. Pattern. You. Ignorant. Wretch.

Please, please, PLEASE - for the love of all that's holy, either change your major or start paying attention in class.

[Tiler_J]

This is the pro who has his own line of calls right? piece of crap

First off, he is innocent until proven guilty. A citation don't mean anything.

I don't know you MB, but my guess is Sean Mann is a better caller than you. Maybe even a better hunter. I don't know if he is a better person than you, but he certainly is not, in my estimation, worthy of being called "piece of crap".

I have met him, and I thought he was a really good fella. I would take him hunting tomorrow if he asked me.

I am a little surprised Assateague would pubicly ridicule him; last time we talked you told me that this was all behind you.

If you guys went hunting, how much bait do you think you would bring?
How does being a "good caller" or "good hunter" make this alright? So you met the guy once and talked for a few minutes, great. This guys is a salesman trying to get you and us to buy his stuff, of course he is going to come across as a good guy. I hate these guys! If they are going to put themselves out there in the limelight as ambassadors of the sport I love, they had better set a good example to other people. MB is right, he is a piece of crap.

[Tiler_J]

And sorry guys, but it's utterly shameful what "hunting" had become.

I (and I'm sure others) could see 20 years ago that woodsmanship and outdoor knowledge were going the way of the dinosaur.

We now have entire generations of people whose entire idea of hunting is waiting by a pile of feed.

Why not just save the time and money and go to the store?

Well said Dan. I couldn't agree more.

[(MT)Montanafowler]

I know you're stupid, so I'll type it slower.

When. The. Grain. In. The. Field. Is. Gone. The. Birds. Move. On.

When. You. Keep. Putting. Food. Out. (Ie. bait). They. Will. Stay. In. An. Area. Longer. Many. Times. To. The. Detriment. Of. Their. Ability. To. Migrate.




If. Baiting. And. Manipulating. Crop. Fields. Isn't. Wildly. Effective. Why. Do. All. The. Arkie. And. La. Hunters. Bitch. About. States. Like. Missouri. And. Illinois. Creating. Habitat. That. Short. Stops. Birds?

It's. Not. About. If. You. Can. Kill. Too. Many. Ducks. By. Baiting.
It's. About. Not. Disrupting. The. Natural. Migration. Pattern. You. Ignorant. Wretch.

Please, please, PLEASE - for the love of all that's holy, either change your major or start paying attention in class.

the birds will move on when the weather pushes them out. baiting is not going to have a significant effect on bird movement because it's not a significant feed source. you are not going to change bird migration with a fucking bait pile.

i'm not talking about manipulating crop fields, i'm talking about bait piles. the only way i even referenced fields was that we can hunt birds in them but if you put out some corn you're now a poacher. don't turn this into something it's not.

It's also real mature to start calling someone names.

[(MT)Montanafowler]

And sorry guys, but it's utterly shameful what "hunting" had become.

I (and I'm sure others) could see 20 years ago that woodsmanship and outdoor knowledge were going the way of the dinosaur.

We now have entire generations of people whose entire idea of hunting is waiting by a pile of feed.

Why not just save the time and money and go to the store?

You and I agree on this Dan. you should see the "elk hunters" out here, they ride around the WMAs in the truck until something sticks its head out of the treeline.

for the record, i personally wouldn't bait anything, i just don't believe it is a big deal.

[DeadEye_Dan]

I know you're stupid, so I'll type it slower.

When. The. Grain. In. The. Field. Is. Gone. The. Birds. Move. On.

When. You. Keep. Putting. Food. Out. (Ie. bait). They. Will. Stay. In. An. Area. Longer. Many. Times. To. The. Detriment. Of. Their. Ability. To. Migrate.




If. Baiting. And. Manipulating. Crop. Fields. Isn't. Wildly. Effective. Why. Do. All. The. Arkie. And. La. Hunters. Bitch. About. States. Like. Missouri. And. Illinois. Creating. Habitat. That. Short. Stops. Birds?

It's. Not. About. If. You. Can. Kill. Too. Many. Ducks. By. Baiting.
It's. About. Not. Disrupting. The. Natural. Migration. Pattern. You. Ignorant. Wretch.

Please, please, PLEASE - for the love of all that's holy, either change your major or start paying attention in class.

the birds will move on when the weather pushes them out. baiting is not going to have a significant effect on bird movement because it's not a significant feed source. you are not going to change bird migration with a fucking bait pile.

i'm not talking about manipulating crop fields, i'm talking about bait piles. the only way i even referenced fields was that we can hunt birds in them but if you put out some corn you're now a poacher. don't turn this into something it's not.

It's also real mature to start calling someone names.

You're not getting it.

You put out a pile, what's the harm??

The next guy throws down a 10yd dump truck full - because all the birds are on your pile.

Then I tip over a train car full, to fuck with both of you.

Now multiply that by 100's and 100's of people...still don't think it will have an effect?

[(MT)Montanafowler]

You're not getting it.

You put out a pile, what's the harm??

The next guy throws down a 10yd dump truck full - because all the birds are on your pile.

Then I tip over a train car full, to fuck with both of you.

Now multiply that by 100's and 100's of people...still don't think it will have an effect?

once again you use the slippery slope.

i never said that it couldn't be regulated, just that it really shouldn't be illegal. you don't get it Dan, i'm simply saying that it's not a big enough deal to damn someone to hell over. you still have no evidence that it would actually do anything.