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by **aunt betty** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:03 pm

I really don't know. Huntal6 is right.
The 50/50 is in effect on this one.

by **assateague** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:05 pm

Yes, this particular issue is about the process, not the existence of the lower. If the lower was poured around the plug, good to go. If the lower was made, milled out, then filled with the plug, not good to go. But the fact is, the lower is poured around the plug, thus you never have a completed lower.

And I'm with Vince. A class action would be far better than anyone trying to stand up to them. It'd be hilarious, actually.

by **assateague** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:07 pm

If it makes you happier, here you go Betty, right from the ATF:

Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future.

A suggestion is damn sure not a law.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html

by **aunt betty** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:38 pm

I thought about lost or stolen. Being the devil here but it helps me figure out stuff and stimulates conversation.
Sorry if anyone is really upset. I did get a little cranked up. No worries.

by **3legged_lab** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:33 pm

aunt betty wrote:Once you have one...you can't sell it so by the AT definition you don't actually own it.

Not being able to sell something means "you dont actually own it"?
I think your logic is flawed.

by **assateague** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:43 pm

That was my logic.

But actually, you CAN sell them. You just can't build it for the purpose of selling. And if you do sell it, the it must have the manufacturer and serial number according to the Secy of the ATF.

by **3legged_lab** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:52 pm

assateague wrote:That was my logic.

But actually, you CAN sell them. You just can't build it for the purpose of selling. And if you do sell it, the it must have the manufacturer and serial number according to the Secy of the ATF.

I know what you meant, I was referring to that logic in general. I do own that AR sitting in the back seat of my truck though. I own it because I made it. I also own my kids, until they're 18 anyways, but for now - this is a dictatorship even though im not allowed to sell them. Although sometimes I wish I could.

by **waterfowlman** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:41 pm

3legged_lab wrote:
assateague wrote:That was my logic.

But actually, you CAN sell them. You just can't build it for the purpose of selling. And if you do sell it, the it must have the manufacturer and serial number according to the Secy of the ATF.

I know what you meant, I was referring to that logic in general. I do own that AR sitting in the back seat of my truck though. I own it because I made it. I also own my kids, until they're 18 anyways, but for now - this is a dictatorship even though im not allowed to sell them. Although sometimes I wish I could.

When they get a little older, you could turns those boys into your own personal collection agency. Let them rough up the bastards who won't pay you for your work. :lol:

by **huntall6** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:40 pm

waterfowlman wrote:
3legged_lab wrote:
assateague wrote:That was my logic.

But actually, you CAN sell them. You just can't build it for the purpose of selling. And if you do sell it, the it must have the manufacturer and serial number according to the Secy of the ATF.

I know what you meant, I was referring to that logic in general. I do own that AR sitting in the back seat of my truck though. I own it because I made it. I also own my kids, until they're 18 anyways, but for now - this is a dictatorship even though im not allowed to sell them. Although sometimes I wish I could.

When they get a little older, you could turns those boys into your own personal collection agency. Let them rough up the bastards who won't pay you for your work.

just make sure they have your "ghost" ar's when they collect

by **3legged_lab** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:04 pm

What ghost?

by **The Duck Hammer** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:08 pm

3legged_lab wrote:What ghost?

Probably one of these....

by **3legged_lab** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:18 pm

Never mind.

by **AKPirate** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:21 pm

Spooky

by **ea oneal** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:06 pm

betty ummm what if place the order off a temp visa you get at Walmart and have it and all the part,s sent to a temp address .such as a ups blind box ,no id needed .so who are the boys from the gov looking for!!!!. were dealing with people who are shure thay are waayy smarter than everybody else and cant get piss out of a boot with the how to on bottem .point fast and stupid ,bingazie on and on .the man who is in charge is giving away the service we use to talk now .why ? seems to be working now but more for the u.s and less for well, rag head ,slant eye .muzlem punks are getting a free pass so ya im working to get around the (system) not too long ago you were trying to think of a way to hunt 2 states .im looking to hunt my yard if I need to.i spent 29 years in the u.s.m.c and I worked in lets just say less than what the powers that be want on cnn .I love my country I have no reason to trust my gov.

by **assateague** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:10 pm

by **ea oneal** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:12 pm

betty don't get mad im just messin with you .I see what your sayin :lol:

by **huntall6** » Tue Mar 18, 2014 6:19 am

ea oneal wrote:betty don't get mad im just messin with you .I see what your sayin

Glad you do. Nobody else does.

by **vincentpa** » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:18 pm

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