Ashton Kutcher acceptance speech

[one2many]

You all have missed the point. Kutcher got to screw Demi Moore, and we didn't.

in the tail he has tapped Granny isnt at the top. i would still hit it but i have low standards

[one2many]

son of a bitch im trying to buy some bred heifers at an auction and one of the groups i really really wanted i missed because of this

being an Internet badass comes with a price

its getting to be a pain. i may just stop

[Olly]

Here is an interview with Steve Wozniak the co-founder of Apple, if there is any source you can trust I think it'd be this guy. He says in his own words that Steve Jobs was not an inventor, not a creator and that all his strengths were in marketing. Which is what I've been saying all along. Steve Jobs was not a computer science genius he was very good at taking something everyday and selling it for more than it was worth. He sold status.

My whole point all along was that the masses/media in this country are giving credit where it is not due and are blindly buying standard parts at above standard price only because everyone else is.

Wozniak also gives some perspective: When the interviewer compares Jobs to Edison, Wozniak says that’s not quite right, because Jobs’ strength wasn’t designing or building stuff, it was marketing

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80bea ... hKdHiFDubU


When are you fuckers going to start listening to me?

[AKPirate]

You all have missed the point. Kutcher got to screw Demi Moore, and we didn't.

[one2many]

Here is an interview with Steve Wozniak the co-founder of Apple, if there is any source you can trust I think it'd be this guy. He says in his own words that Steve Jobs was not an inventor, not a creator and that all his strengths were in marketing. Which is what I've been saying all along. Steve Jobs was not a computer science genius he was very good at taking something everyday and selling it for more than it was worth. He sold status.

My whole point all along was that the masses/media in this country are giving credit where it is not due and are blindly buying standard parts at above standard price only because everyone else is.

Wozniak also gives some perspective: When the interviewer compares Jobs to Edison, Wozniak says that’s not quite right, because Jobs’ strength wasn’t designing or building stuff, it was marketing

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80bea ... hKdHiFDubU


When are you fuckers going to start listening to me?

as soon as you listen to the rest of us.i already said Waz was the brains(yes i fucked up and call him WOJO) nobody has said he invented anything more then a demand for his stuff...just like i said Paul Allen was the technical brains at Microsoft

[Olly]

Here is an interview with Steve Wozniak the co-founder of Apple, if there is any source you can trust I think it'd be this guy. He says in his own words that Steve Jobs was not an inventor, not a creator and that all his strengths were in marketing. Which is what I've been saying all along. Steve Jobs was not a computer science genius he was very good at taking something everyday and selling it for more than it was worth. He sold status.

My whole point all along was that the masses/media in this country are giving credit where it is not due and are blindly buying standard parts at above standard price only because everyone else is.

Wozniak also gives some perspective: When the interviewer compares Jobs to Edison, Wozniak says that’s not quite right, because Jobs’ strength wasn’t designing or building stuff, it was marketing

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80bea ... hKdHiFDubU


When are you fuckers going to start listening to me?

as soon as you listen to the rest of us.i already said Waz was the brains(yes i fucked up and call him WOJO) nobody has said he invented anything more then a demand for his stuff...just like i said Paul Allen was the technical brains at Microsoft

I think everyone here but you was trying to claim that Steve jobs "invented" a user friendly computer.

[one2many]

Here is an interview with Steve Wozniak the co-founder of Apple, if there is any source you can trust I think it'd be this guy. He says in his own words that Steve Jobs was not an inventor, not a creator and that all his strengths were in marketing. Which is what I've been saying all along. Steve Jobs was not a computer science genius he was very good at taking something everyday and selling it for more than it was worth. He sold status.

My whole point all along was that the masses/media in this country are giving credit where it is not due and are blindly buying standard parts at above standard price only because everyone else is.

Wozniak also gives some perspective: When the interviewer compares Jobs to Edison, Wozniak says that’s not quite right, because Jobs’ strength wasn’t designing or building stuff, it was marketing

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80bea ... hKdHiFDubU


When are you fuckers going to start listening to me?

as soon as you listen to the rest of us.i already said Waz was the brains(yes i fucked up and call him WOJO) nobody has said he invented anything more then a demand for his stuff...just like i said Paul Allen was the technical brains at Microsoft

I think everyone here but you was trying to claim that Steve jobs "invented" a user friendly computer.

i hate the one button mouse i will shut up now and crawl back into my cave

[assateague]

Actually, we were just talking about the value of hard work, when you chimed in with, and I quote, "Steve Jobs was an asshole".


Sort of like "Man, those Robertsons work hard, making all the money they can off of duck hunting and their lifestyle". "Willie is an asshole. He didn't invent shit."

On second thought, not sort of, but exactly like that.

[Olly]

one2many, I just went back and looked I totally over looked your comments this whole time sorry. I was going back and forth with Assa. He was playing devils advocate and trolled me hard core. For some reason when people claim Steve Jobs was some kind of computer legend and compare him to people like Thomas Edison it really grinds my gears.

[Olly]

When Jobs died all over the media people hailed him as a genius and people like Dennis Ritchie, Ken Thompson, Linus Tarvold are ignored and these guys are the reason why you have a smart phone in your hand, or your car can call for help if you are in an accident. They were real computer scientist who literally changed our world. These men and guys like them are just as an important as Edison, Tesla, The Wright Brothers, & Von Braughn. Not Steve Jobs that helped sell a device that can hold 3.58483 billions Britney Spears songs.

For someone like me who studies computer science and works in the information technology field it's kind of a big deal.

[one2many]

When Jobs died all over the media people hailed him as a genius and people like Dennis Ritchie, Ken Thompson, Linus Tarvold are ignored and these guys are the reason why you have a smart phone in your hand, or your car can call for help if you are in an accident. They were real computer scientist who literally changed our world. These men and guys like them are just as an important as Edison, Tesla, The Wright Brothers, & Von Braughn. Not Steve Jobs that help sell a device can hold 3.58483 billions Britney Spears song.

edison was no tesla
most people never look at what i say
i always thought Ashton to be a nerd . a girl i dated for a long time lived across the street from them. she was very good friends with his sister. i have spent sometime around him, not much its not like we are buds or anything. he isnt to bad of a guy, i liked the speech he gave in the OP

[assateague]

When Jobs died all over the media people hailed him as a genius and people like Dennis Ritchie, Ken Thompson, Linus Tarvold are ignored and these guys are the reason why you have a smart phone in your hand, or your car can call for help if you are in an accident. They were real computer scientist who literally changed our world. These men and guys like them are just as an important as Edison, Tesla, The Wright Brothers, & Von Braughn. Not Steve Jobs that helped sell a device that can hold 3.58483 billions Britney Spears songs.

For someone like me who studies computer science and works in the information technology field it's kind of a big deal.

The best, most useful, most advanced technology is useless if people don't A) understand it, and B) have access to it. Jobs provided both.

[Olly]

When Jobs died all over the media people hailed him as a genius and people like Dennis Ritchie, Ken Thompson, Linus Tarvold are ignored and these guys are the reason why you have a smart phone in your hand, or your car can call for help if you are in an accident. They were real computer scientist who literally changed our world. These men and guys like them are just as an important as Edison, Tesla, The Wright Brothers, & Von Braughn. Not Steve Jobs that helped sell a device that can hold 3.58483 billions Britney Spears songs.

For someone like me who studies computer science and works in the information technology field it's kind of a big deal.

The best, most useful, most advanced technology is useless if people don't A) understand it, and B) have access to it. Jobs provided both.

Trying pretty hard with that one.

You guys will have to finish without me, date tonight. Cya

[Rick]

You all have missed the point. Kutcher got to screw Demi Moore, and we didn't.

in the tail he has tapped Granny isnt at the top. i would still hit it but i have low standards

Doubt many, if any, would pass that "granny". Not sure what to make of the acronym for "granny I'd like to tap"...

[assateague]

When Jobs died all over the media people hailed him as a genius and people like Dennis Ritchie, Ken Thompson, Linus Tarvold are ignored and these guys are the reason why you have a smart phone in your hand, or your car can call for help if you are in an accident. They were real computer scientist who literally changed our world. These men and guys like them are just as an important as Edison, Tesla, The Wright Brothers, & Von Braughn. Not Steve Jobs that helped sell a device that can hold 3.58483 billions Britney Spears songs.

For someone like me who studies computer science and works in the information technology field it's kind of a big deal.

The best, most useful, most advanced technology is useless if people don't A) understand it, and B) have access to it. Jobs provided both.

Trying pretty hard with that one.

You guys will have to finish without me, date tonight. Cya

How do you figure? When did Dennis Ritchie, Ken Thompson, and Linus Tarvold make their contributions? How popular/successful/useful was Mr. Benz's invention before Henry Ford? Stating that the "originators" are the real genuises is very, very short sighted.

[sws002]

Stating that the "originators" are the real genuises is very, very short sighted.

Yes and no. Granted, if nobody has can use it or has access to it, it is by all means useless, but all the marketing knowledge in the world doesn't get you anywhere if you don't have anything to market. I think the point Olly is trying to make is not necessarily that Jobs isn't a genius, he is, he is just a marketing genius and that's all. His anger is in the fact that he gets even one iota of credit for anything invention wise. However, I don't think it's short sighted to say that the guys who made it possible are the real geniuses, as I think you would agree it is MUCH easier to market something than it is to invent it.

[Redbeard]

When Jobs died all over the media people hailed him as a genius and people like Dennis Ritchie, Ken Thompson, Linus Tarvold are ignored and these guys are the reason why you have a smart phone in your hand, or your car can call for help if you are in an accident. They were real computer scientist who literally changed our world. These men and guys like them are just as an important as Edison, Tesla, The Wright Brothers, & Von Braughn. Not Steve Jobs that helped sell a device that can hold 3.58483 billions Britney Spears songs.

For someone like me who studies computer science and works in the information technology field it's kind of a big deal.

this post just confirmed your nerdiness

[assateague]

Stating that the "originators" are the real genuises is very, very short sighted.

Yes and no. Granted, if nobody has can use it or has access to it, it is by all means useless, but all the marketing knowledge in the world doesn't get you anywhere if you don't have anything to market. I think the point Olly is trying to make is not necessarily that Jobs isn't a genius, he is, he is just a marketing genius and that's all. His anger is in the fact that he gets even one iota of credit for anything invention wise. However, I don't think it's short sighted to say that the guys who made it possible are the real geniuses, as I think you would agree it is MUCH easier to market something than it is to invent it.

Look at Edison vs Tesla, and then tell me how much more difficult/critical it is to market something.

[sws002]

Stating that the "originators" are the real genuises is very, very short sighted.

Yes and no. Granted, if nobody has can use it or has access to it, it is by all means useless, but all the marketing knowledge in the world doesn't get you anywhere if you don't have anything to market. I think the point Olly is trying to make is not necessarily that Jobs isn't a genius, he is, he is just a marketing genius and that's all. His anger is in the fact that he gets even one iota of credit for anything invention wise. However, I don't think it's short sighted to say that the guys who made it possible are the real geniuses, as I think you would agree it is MUCH easier to market something than it is to invent it.

Look at Edison vs Tesla, and then tell me how much more difficult/critical it is to market something.

All I'm saying is marketers NEED inventors, inventors don't necessarily need marketers. Point: you have both invented and marketed the 50/50.

[assateague]

Agree with your point that it takes both. But stating that Jobs was a flimflam man was just silly.

[sws002]

Agree with your point that it takes both. But stating that Jobs was a flimflam man was just silly.

I can agree with that, he just gets credit that isn't due him, even though he is due credit, if that makes any sense...

[Feelin' Fowl]

Actually, we were just talking about the value of hard work, when you chimed in with, and I quote, "Steve Jobs was an asshole".


Sort of like "Man, those Robertsons work hard, making all the money they can off of duck hunting and their lifestyle". "Willie is an asshole. He didn't invent shit."

On second thought, not sort of, but exactly like that.

You need to work on your analogies...

[Mornin Beef]

Hey remember when Bo Knew how to sell shoes. Oh wow, it be(co)caine cool to be dope off the field with apple on the street just the same. So what, Olly is right. That why I should be a mod.

[Olly]

this post just confirmed your nerdiness

But a cool nerd right?... right?

[Redbeard]

Right

[Olly]

Oh good.

[DeadEye_Dan]

At the end of the day, the most genius of all inventions is useless until you get some stud sales/marketing guy to sell your product.
Period.

[Redbeard]

At the end of the day, the most genius of all inventions is useless until you get some stud sales/marketing guy to sell your product.
Period.

just like how Olly uses me to push WFF out there to the hip crowd...I get it

[3legged_lab]

I am thankful for the chinese kids that build the technological wonders that I take for granted on a daily basis.


Don't know much about this Steve fella, and two and a half men was ruined when Ashton took over for Charlie. (It was barely tolerable when Sheen was on it)

[DeadEye_Dan]

Stating that the "originators" are the real genuises is very, very short sighted.

Yes and no. Granted, if nobody has can use it or has access to it, it is by all means useless, but all the marketing knowledge in the world doesn't get you anywhere if you don't have anything to market. I think the point Olly is trying to make is not necessarily that Jobs isn't a genius, he is, he is just a marketing genius and that's all. His anger is in the fact that he gets even one iota of credit for anything invention wise. However, I don't think it's short sighted to say that the guys who made it possible are the real geniuses, as I think you would agree it is MUCH easier to market something than it is to invent it.

Look at Edison vs Tesla, and then tell me how much more difficult/critical it is to market something.

All I'm saying is marketers NEED inventors, inventors don't necessarily need marketers. Point: you have both invented and marketed the 50/50.

Bull shit.

Without marketing guys it's just dungeons and dragons in your moms basement. Add $$$$ to the equation and all the sudden the game changes.