Aaaand Again

[Tomkat]

They can change the rules, but it only impacts those who are afraid to see it all the way through. If you're not willing to go to the end of the road, don't even bother turning down it. I was once threatened with an Article 15 for a completely bullshit "charge". Said I wasn't in my barracks room during an alert. But I was under no obligation whatsoever to be in my room, since I was on convalescent leave after shoulder surgery. So they wrote me the Article 15, and when the CO presented it, I told him I wanted a court martial. (In the military, if you get in trouble, they give you "non-judicial punishment", which means, as long as you accept it, your commander will be the one issuing the verdict and the punishment. But every time, you have the option to choose a court martial instead, but nobody ever does, because they're afraid, and rightly so. It's basically a felony conviction, which sticks with you) He told me I didn't want to do that, but I was sticking to my guns. I knew damn well that I did nothing wrong, and it was just some bullshit, because I told the Lieutenant that he was wrong in front of everyone, and he was pissed. I insisted that I was accepting nothing but a court martial, and I meant it.


It got torn up.

I love this story. I have made a life time carrer of my willingness to escalate up the ladder on shit just like this. Its called PRINCIPAL, and if you have that and a pair of nuts, you can go a long way in life.

[Redbeard]

They can change the rules, but it only impacts those who are afraid to see it all the way through. If you're not willing to go to the end of the road, don't even bother turning down it. I was once threatened with an Article 15 for a completely bullshit "charge". Said I wasn't in my barracks room during an alert. But I was under no obligation whatsoever to be in my room, since I was on convalescent leave after shoulder surgery. So they wrote me the Article 15, and when the CO presented it, I told him I wanted a court martial. (In the military, if you get in trouble, they give you "non-judicial punishment", which means, as long as you accept it, your commander will be the one issuing the verdict and the punishment. But every time, you have the option to choose a court martial instead, but nobody ever does, because they're afraid, and rightly so. It's basically a felony conviction, which sticks with you) He told me I didn't want to do that, but I was sticking to my guns. I knew damn well that I did nothing wrong, and it was just some bullshit, because I told the Lieutenant that he was wrong in front of everyone, and he was pissed. I insisted that I was accepting nothing but a court martial, and I meant it.


It got torn up.

I love this story. I have made a life time carrer of my willingness to escalate up the ladder on shit just like this. Its called PRINCIPAL, and if you have that and a pair of nuts, you can go a long way in life.

but yet your advice to Jim was to forget about it and move on. So now I'm confused, cause you've made a life time CAREER of your willingness to escalate up the ladder of PRINCIPLE

[assateague]

I would be lying if I said I wasn't terrified. I was going to go through with it, but I wasn't very excited about the prospect of actually HAVING to sit for a court martial.

[Redbeard]

I would be lying if I said I wasn't terrified. I was going to go through with it, but I wasn't very excited about the prospect of actually HAVING to sit for a court martial.

you must have one helluva poker face

[3legged_lab]

I would be lying if I said I wasn't terrified. I was going to go through with it, but I wasn't very excited about the prospect of actually HAVING to sit for a court martial.

you must have one helluva poker face

where he'll take all your money is by playing your cards. Don't worry, he already know what you have.

[Tomkat]

They can change the rules, but it only impacts those who are afraid to see it all the way through. If you're not willing to go to the end of the road, don't even bother turning down it. I was once threatened with an Article 15 for a completely bullshit "charge". Said I wasn't in my barracks room during an alert. But I was under no obligation whatsoever to be in my room, since I was on convalescent leave after shoulder surgery. So they wrote me the Article 15, and when the CO presented it, I told him I wanted a court martial. (In the military, if you get in trouble, they give you "non-judicial punishment", which means, as long as you accept it, your commander will be the one issuing the verdict and the punishment. But every time, you have the option to choose a court martial instead, but nobody ever does, because they're afraid, and rightly so. It's basically a felony conviction, which sticks with you) He told me I didn't want to do that, but I was sticking to my guns. I knew damn well that I did nothing wrong, and it was just some bullshit, because I told the Lieutenant that he was wrong in front of everyone, and he was pissed. I insisted that I was accepting nothing but a court martial, and I meant it.


It got torn up.

I love this story. I have made a life time carrer of my willingness to escalate up the ladder on shit just like this. Its called PRINCIPAL, and if you have that and a pair of nuts, you can go a long way in life.

but yet your advice to Jim was to forget about it and move on. So now I'm confused, cause you've made a life time CAREER of your willingness to escalate up the ladder of PRINCIPLE

Red I have never had kids. Its one thing to fuck up my deal, but another to affect a child. Make sense?


Sent from a fancy ass phone

[Redbeard]

They can change the rules, but it only impacts those who are afraid to see it all the way through. If you're not willing to go to the end of the road, don't even bother turning down it. I was once threatened with an Article 15 for a completely bullshit "charge". Said I wasn't in my barracks room during an alert. But I was under no obligation whatsoever to be in my room, since I was on convalescent leave after shoulder surgery. So they wrote me the Article 15, and when the CO presented it, I told him I wanted a court martial. (In the military, if you get in trouble, they give you "non-judicial punishment", which means, as long as you accept it, your commander will be the one issuing the verdict and the punishment. But every time, you have the option to choose a court martial instead, but nobody ever does, because they're afraid, and rightly so. It's basically a felony conviction, which sticks with you) He told me I didn't want to do that, but I was sticking to my guns. I knew damn well that I did nothing wrong, and it was just some bullshit, because I told the Lieutenant that he was wrong in front of everyone, and he was pissed. I insisted that I was accepting nothing but a court martial, and I meant it.


It got torn up.

I love this story. I have made a life time carrer of my willingness to escalate up the ladder on shit just like this. Its called PRINCIPAL, and if you have that and a pair of nuts, you can go a long way in life.

but yet your advice to Jim was to forget about it and move on. So now I'm confused, cause you've made a life time CAREER of your willingness to escalate up the ladder of PRINCIPLE

Red I have never had kids. Its one thing to fuck up my deal, but another to affect a child. Make sense?


Sent from a fancy ass phone

not really no

[Tomkat]

I give up officer Graybeard. Are you going to cuff me today or just beat me with your flashlight?

[Redbeard]

I give up officer Graybeard. Are you going to cuff me today or just beat me with your flashlight?

it's my day off. You're free to go

[Tomkat]

Thank you.

I think you KNOW I have some principal going on. Dont underestimate the fear of unknown regarding kids.

I have ZERO experience.

My folks embarrased me a lot of times at school. I was a pretty well adapted kid at school, and hated my folks sticking their nose in.

That's where I am coming from.

[assateague]

I would be lying if I said I wasn't terrified. I was going to go through with it, but I wasn't very excited about the prospect of actually HAVING to sit for a court martial.

you must have one helluva poker face

Don't give me too much credit. He knew it was BS, too, but was "going along with the Army". The pisser of it is that I was a very good soldier, but I spent a lot of time with 1st Group, and they do things a little differently. They treat everybody like adults, and expect you to know your job better than anyone else. As long as you meet (or are trying to meet) that standard, they don't give a shit about the petty day to day BS. Whenever I spent a long period of time with them, I always had "problems" adjusting when I got back to my unit in the "regular" Army. This whole incident was nothing more than petty day to day BS. Ironically enough, I had just won NCO of the quarter for the 2nd Infantry Division the month before, and now I was being brought up on charges for some fresh out of college 2nd LT who had his feelings hurt.

And on an unrelated note, probably the best (and worst) thing that the Army taught me was to properly steal things, only we called it "scrounging". Not personal stuff, just stuff you need for the mission which for whatever reason the Army couldn't see fit to get to you on time. If it wasn't bolted down, we'd take it. And if it was, we'd go scrounge a wrench, and take it anyway. My soldiers always had more than enough to do what needed to be done To this day, my wife just shakes her head whenever I pick something up and walk away with it as if I own it. (Not sure where that random thought came from.)

[jehler]

Nope. Then she would assume that Layniebug tossed it out the bus window so she wouldn't get in trouble. I wonder if I could teach Layniebug to say "My Dad said to go fuck yourself" and not have her get in trouble for it?

does lanie bug know how to do a knock knock joke?

[assateague]

[Redbeard]

I would be lying if I said I wasn't terrified. I was going to go through with it, but I wasn't very excited about the prospect of actually HAVING to sit for a court martial.

you must have one helluva poker face

Don't give me too much credit. He knew it was BS, too, but was "going along with the Army". The pisser of it is that I was a very good soldier, but I spent a lot of time with 1st Group, and they do things a little differently. They treat everybody like adults, and expect you to know your job better than anyone else. As long as you meet (or are trying to meet) that standard, they don't give a shit about the petty day to day BS. Whenever I spent a long period of time with them, I always had "problems" adjusting when I got back to my unit in the "regular" Army. This whole incident was nothing more than petty day to day BS. Ironically enough, I had just won NCO of the quarter for the 2nd Infantry Division the month before, and now I was being brought up on charges for some fresh out of college 2nd LT who had his feelings hurt.

And on an unrelated note, probably the best (and worst) thing that the Army taught me was to properly steal things, only we called it "scrounging". Not personal stuff, just stuff you need for the mission which for whatever reason the Army couldn't see fit to get to you on time. If it wasn't bolted down, we'd take it. And if it was, we'd go scrounge a wrench, and take it anyway. My soldiers always had more than enough to do what needed to be done To this day, my wife just shakes her head whenever I pick something up and walk away with it as if I own it. (Not sure where that random thought came from.)

so that's what I should start calling it...scrounging. I take all kinds of stuff from work...for work of course

[assateague]

That's exactly what it is- scrounging.

[Tomkat]

When is your date with teacher?

Did you see my thread on how to use your smoker?

[assateague]

Tuesday. And yes- thanks!

[(MT)Montanafowler]

That's exactly what it is- scrounging.

funny how you can end up with all kinds of cool bolts, fasteners, hand tools, attachments and shit that people leave laying around at work

i have a rule in my truck: You left it, I kept it. Tell all my friends and coworkers when i first let them ride in my truck. after about the third time i start acquiring cool shit like binoculars, backpacking stoves, ammo, free cigs, thermoses and coffee cups. if they call and ask if they left whatever in my truck i just say no.

[quacknstack6]

I would be lying if I said I wasn't terrified. I was going to go through with it, but I wasn't very excited about the prospect of actually HAVING to sit for a court martial.

you must have one helluva poker face

Don't give me too much credit. He knew it was BS, too, but was "going along with the Army". The pisser of it is that I was a very good soldier, but I spent a lot of time with 1st Group, and they do things a little differently. They treat everybody like adults, and expect you to know your job better than anyone else. As long as you meet (or are trying to meet) that standard, they don't give a shit about the petty day to day BS. Whenever I spent a long period of time with them, I always had "problems" adjusting when I got back to my unit in the "regular" Army. This whole incident was nothing more than petty day to day BS. Ironically enough, I had just won NCO of the quarter for the 2nd Infantry Division the month before, and now I was being brought up on charges for some fresh out of college 2nd LT who had his feelings hurt.

And on an unrelated note, probably the best (and worst) thing that the Army taught me was to properly steal things, only we called it "scrounging". Not personal stuff, just stuff you need for the mission which for whatever reason the Army couldn't see fit to get to you on time. If it wasn't bolted down, we'd take it. And if it was, we'd go scrounge a wrench, and take it anyway. My soldiers always had more than enough to do what needed to be done To this day, my wife just shakes her head whenever I pick something up and walk away with it as if I own it. (Not sure where that random thought came from.)

We label it us tactical acquisition.
Sent while protecting freedom

[Redbeard]

Well its Tuesday Jim. 1423 PST. Surely you've had "the talk."

[Tomkat]

Yeah what was she wearing?

[Redbeard]

Assa's balls on her chin

[one2many]

[Goldfish]

Anyone wanna take odds one of them is in hand cuffs?

sent from a phancy fone

[assateague]

No, I told you guys, I was postponing until Thursday. Called a timeout with :02 left to put their kicker on ice.

[3legged_lab]

No, I told you guys, I was postponing until Thursday. Called a timeout with :02 left to put their kicker on ice.

What a dick..... I mean evil genius.

[Redbeard]

No, I told you guys, I was postponing until Thursday. Called a timeout with :02 left to put their kicker on ice.

I didn't get the memo coach

[assateague]

PAY ATTENTION IN THE FUCKING HUDDLE, RED (I am verbally grabbing your facemask and shaking your head from side to side)

[3legged_lab]

And now you're swatting his butt on the break?

[assateague]

Gotta keep em in the game, leave them on a positive.