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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby The Duck Hammer » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:33 pm

one2many wrote:
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Slingshot wrote:Well if your not reloading at this time , just another sickness to go with the madness of hunting. But a good one of coarse.lol

i reload too much as it is.a new lever gun would just be more shit to get done,and more shit to buy.
looking to be too much work.
Jim just keep fucking them up with your .35, and see if you can get in some more emu hunting :beer:


Do you load .38 specials? I need some hollow points. Went to look today and the only handgun ammo I found was 45 ACP and 9 mm. WTF is up with that.


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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby Tomkat » Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:49 pm

Jeff I never load over max. It always comes down to shot placement.

Nuff, if you look back I said some people get runners; I had one go near to 60 yards once.

I never said I was en expert even though I have been shooting for over 40 years and own my own rifle range.

What I will say is I am very experienced.





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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby Goldfish » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:56 pm

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NuffDaddy wrote:I'm sorry, but unless you shoot a canon a deer will not flop from a heart shot every time. It may happen occasionally, but more often than not they will go 20-100 yards.

I've only ever had three deer not drop on the spot. First deer with a 20ga slug, a doe straight on, and my deer I lost 2 years ago that I shot in her rear leg. Other than that first year, I've used my dads 30-06 every year. If I put my shot right, they drop. Every time. Been shooting since I was 12, and can count on one hands the number of years I didn't get a deer. Heart/lung shots will put them down right where they stand.

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Don't take this wrong- You're high.

No lies. They've all dropped on the spot. Now, a 30-06 is no slouch of a round, and definitely has some knock down power, but I don't recall any going thru the deer as we don't use fancy rounds. Just the basic crap that mushrooms. Knocks them down for the count.

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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby 3legged_lab » Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:07 pm

I shot some ducks and a couple specks this weekend that were a 'bang flop'. They do 90% of the time every time, except for the other 10% of the time. Those other times they are more of a 'bang flap'.
Maybe I should quit using the 270 and switch to a .35?
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby one2many » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:16 am

Tomkat wrote:Jeff I never load over max. It always comes down to shot placement.

Nuff, if you look back I said some people get runners; I had one go near to 60 yards once.

I never said I was en expert even though I have been shooting for over 40 years and own my own rifle range.

What I will say is I am very experienced.





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as you shouldnt Tom, it isnt safe for factory actions.totally agree about shot placement. head shots only if its there
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby rebelp74 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:47 am

7mm wthby mag
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby NuffDaddy » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:48 am

one2many wrote:
Tomkat wrote:Jeff I never load over max. It always comes down to shot placement.

Nuff, if you look back I said some people get runners; I had one go near to 60 yards once.

I never said I was en expert even though I have been shooting for over 40 years and own my own rifle range.

What I will say is I am very experienced.





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as you shouldnt Tom, it isnt safe for factory actions.totally agree about shot placement. head shots only if its there

How many jaws have you taken off?
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby Rick » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:00 am

NuffDaddy wrote:How many jaws have you taken off?


Having seen one with its jaw hanging when I was a teen broke me of thinking of head shots.

And an uncle's failed neck shot did much the same for those. Reb, that gun was a 7mm Mag I thought pretty much the atomic bomb until I watched that buck shake it off like a horse fly bite. Don't know if it would have survived long, as Keith then put another through its boiler room.
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby jehler » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:06 am

I've never had a heart shot deer not run at least 80 yards, and the 80 yarder hit a tree, most run 100 like they mark football fields for a living
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby jehler » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:07 am

One of the few predictable things in Michigan^
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby Tomkat » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:12 am

I bet some of them ran 3, maybe 400 yards.



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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby Tomkat » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:13 am

jehler wrote:One of the few predictable things in Michigan^


MI has the most unpredictable weather. Thats a known fact.



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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby Rick » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:32 am

Tomkat wrote:I bet some of them ran 3, maybe 400 yards.


The Alkaire meadow on my grandfather's place was better than 500yds long, and I had a "missed" buck run most of that before rearing on his hind legs and falling over backwards with much of his heart gone. Don't recall another heart-only shot deer going nearly as far, but don't recall a heart-only shot ever dropping one in it's tracks, either. Perhaps because I've long found double-lung shots the best anchor and strived for those.
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby Tomkat » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:51 am

I aim for the heart. Sometimes I hit lungs, some times lungs and hearts. They all die, many are bang flops. Since many of the deer hunters on this thread have never seen this mythical shot, I posted this so you can see what it looks like.

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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby RonE » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:39 am

Looks like you shot a doe a little high and broke her spine. When you fuck up their CNS, it is usually a bang-flop (DRT)
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby assateague » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:02 am

Goldfish wrote:No lies. They've all dropped on the spot. Now, a 30-06 is no slouch of a round, and definitely has some knock down power, but I don't recall any going thru the deer as we don't use fancy rounds. Just the basic crap that mushrooms. Knocks them down for the count.

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Wait- you're saying your .30-06 doesn't make an exit wound? Are you still high?


Make no mistake, Ive got nothing against whatever caliber somebody wants to shoot. But I've shot a LOT of deer, with a LOT of calibers, and the only, onliest one that reliably drops deer within 20 yards is my .35. Always. Every time. Never ran more than 20 yards. Ever. Neck, lungs, heart, even 1 gut shot. The gut shot was grotesque, even for me, and was the result of of a piss poor shot on my part, at a walking deer at about 140 yards. But she ran 3 leaps and fell, and that was that. Kicked for about a minute, then no more, but I could see about 3 feet of intestines out the other side from my tree stand.

I'm no ballistic expert, so have no idea why, but it seems to be a combination of just the right speed for just the right weight bullet or something. I don't care for the 7mm, because if they DON'T drop (granted, it rarely happens with that round in my experience, but it DOES happen), you have very little blood trail. Never seen an exit wound appreciably bigger than the entrance wound with the 7mm Remington Mag that I've used, on shots from 50 yards to 360 yards.

Shoot what you want. I'll stick to the .35 because it makes far less work for me. Maybe if I ever lose one, I'll change my tune. But not only has it not happened in about 13 years, but it's never come close to happening.
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby assateague » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:04 am

Oh, and I forgot- the .35 is the only gun I've ever been comfortable shooting a two-fer with. Pissed my wife off, because she was waiting for the other to get clear so she could shoot, when I had them lined up perfectly and dropped them both within 10 yards of being hit.
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby jarbo03 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:37 am

I have shot a Win .405 loaded with a 210 gn .41 mag pistol bullet last year for my antelope. I dropped my 25-06 while crossing a fence and manages to miss one at 300 yds broadside no wind, so I grabbed my uncles gun. The exit wound through its ribs was a 8" circle, guts and innards were hanging out to the ground and that sum bitch got to his feet and was walking away. He wasn't going far, but what an animal can do is amazing. My 2nd shot was to the neck, was never another twitch. I have a video of us shooting pumpkins with that gun, see if I can find it.
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby Tomkat » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:45 am

Ron I didn't shoot that deer.



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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby DeadEye_Dan » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:36 am

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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby assateague » Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:55 am

I like eating the shoulders.
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby Goldfish » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:45 am

assateague wrote:Wait- you're saying your .30-06 doesn't make an exit wound? Are you still high?

Nope. No exit wound. The bullets mushroom up or curl apart and usually you find the pieces in the far side rib cage. My shots are usually 20-60 yards.

I'm assuming you drop them because of a big bullet impacting them hard. Little bullets and high velocity rounds go thru them easier wasting energy that could be used to tear them up and knock them down. That's why we don't use fancy rounds. I'm sure they would go thru. Hunting in the woods we aren't shooting great distances so don't need that high speed, plastic tipped, ballistic balanced, marketing crap. Just something soft that will go in and mushroom out. I also don't line them up to try and see how many the bullet will go thru you Nazi

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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby one2many » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:36 pm

NuffDaddy wrote:
one2many wrote:
Tomkat wrote:Jeff I never load over max. It always comes down to shot placement.

Nuff, if you look back I said some people get runners; I had one go near to 60 yards once.

I never said I was en expert even though I have been shooting for over 40 years and own my own rifle range.

What I will say is I am very experienced.





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as you shouldnt Tom, it isnt safe for factory actions.totally agree about shot placement. head shots only if its there

How many jaws have you taken off?

vaporized a few heads. never have just taken a jaw off. if you cant hit a deer in its head at 100 yards or less you need more trigger time
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby assateague » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:40 pm

Goldfish wrote:
assateague wrote:Wait- you're saying your .30-06 doesn't make an exit wound? Are you still high?

Nope. No exit wound. The bullets mushroom up or curl apart and usually you find the pieces in the far side rib cage. My shots are usually 20-60 yards.

I'm assuming you drop them because of a big bullet impacting them hard. Little bullets and high velocity rounds go thru them easier wasting energy that could be used to tear them up and knock them down. That's why we don't use fancy rounds. I'm sure they would go thru. Hunting in the woods we aren't shooting great distances so don't need that high speed, plastic tipped, ballistic balanced, marketing crap. Just something soft that will go in and mushroom out. I also don't line them up to try and see how many the bullet will go thru you Nazi

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:lol:

But seriously, when I hunt with my .30-06, I use the cheapo Remington Core-Lokt 180 grain, and they always go through. Never had one NOT leave an exit wound, actually.
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby huntall6 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:45 pm

The .35 may be great but, it will be old news when they come out with the .36!!
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby 3legged_lab » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:53 pm

huntall6 wrote:The .35 may be great but, it will be old news when they come out with the .36!!

Shoulda waited til next year?
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby jarbo03 » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:56 pm

assateague wrote:I like eating the shoulders.


Neck roast is very good too. I prefer to blow everything out through the rib cage, save everything else. If a good clean neck or head shot is all I have, I'll gladly take it.
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby Tomkat » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:06 pm

I will always wait for the boiler room shot. As mentioned, the best shot is slightly quartering away, IMO.

Jim 180 Grn is kind of overkill from an 06 to me

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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby assateague » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:20 pm

Overkill is always preferable to underkill. Always.
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Re: Considering a .35?

Postby Rick » Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:55 pm

Tomkat wrote:Ron I didn't shoot that deer.


And whoever did dang sure didn't shoot it in the heart.
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