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I keep hearing bout these 223 being a weapon that just shreds and piles human bodies all over the media in verbatim and similar metaphor. Wasn't this gun meant to wound in vietnam? Isn't this round and mode of gun meant to disable quickly? Create crimples and a burden upon the opposing force?

Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.

Mornin Beef wrote:

assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.

The point is 223s are basically like ice skates, throats will get punctured.

Mornin Beef wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:

assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.

The point is 223s are basically like ice skates, throats will get punctured.

u got one?

Young soldiers all of a sudden firing weapons (while never picking up a weapon in their lifes) and flinching with the recoil that most of us are used to in a combat situation or on the qualification range doesn't make for very great results.

Mornin Beef wrote:

assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.

Only FMJ are allowed for military use. There is no expansion argument.

assateague wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:

assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.

Only FMJ are allowed for military use. There is no expansion argument.

Well, say goodbye to this thread.

Mornin Beef wrote:

assateague wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:

assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.

Only FMJ are allowed for military use. There is no expansion argument.

Well, say goodbye to this thread.

you going to lock it?

Bufflehead wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:

assateague wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:

assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.

Only FMJ are allowed for military use. There is no expansion argument.

Well, say goodbye to this thread.

you going to lock it?

If i could Bro.

assateague wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:

assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.

Only FMJ are allowed for military use. There is no expansion argument.

This makes me smile, and make make your blood boil just a little bit.

Back in 2006 the Air Force, and I'm not sure on any other branch(but I did issue than to Army MPs,) bought 10 million rds.(that was just to my base) of 5.56FMJ. Except for it wasn't true FMJ, it actually had a ceramic tip and disintegrated as soon as it hit something semi-solid. It didn't take long for NATO to ban it. Can you guess what we did with it?

Mornin Beef wrote:

assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.

Unshun.

Brain hurts.

Reshun.

Eric Haynes wrote:

assateague wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:

assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.

Only FMJ are allowed for military use. There is no expansion argument.

This makes me smile, and make make your blood boil just a little bit.

Back in 2006 the Air Force, and I'm not sure on any other branch(but I did issue than to Army MPs,) bought 10 million rds.(that was just to my base) of 5.56FMJ. Except for it wasn't true FMJ, it actually had a ceramic tip and disintegrated as soon as it hit something semi-solid. It didn't take long for NATO to ban it. Can you guess what we did with it?

Somebody had some fun at the range. And spent a looooooot of time cleaning weapons.

I'm going to guess they blew it up without firing a single shot.

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Olly wrote:I'm going to guess they blew it up without firing a single shot.

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Lets see here, look up the report... yep. It was all disposed of properly.

Olly wrote:I'm going to guess they blew it up without firing a single shot.

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Weak sauce. When you have rounds to waste, you go to the range and put everything you have on full auto, and rock and roll until barrels turn orange. Then take a break, eat an MRE, and start all over.

assateague wrote:Weak sauce. When you have rounds to waste, you go to the range and put everything you have on full auto, and rock and roll until barrels turn orange. Then take a break, eat an MRE, and start all over.

We may or may not have fired a few thousand. Probably. The majority was had by EOD

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Eric Haynes wrote:

Olly wrote:I'm going to guess they blew it up without firing a single shot.

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b.hud wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:

assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.

The point is 223s are basically like ice skates, throats will get punctured.

u got one?

Oops sorry bhud...nope a 22 mag though.

Mornin Beef wrote:

b.hud wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:

assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.

The point is 223s are basically like ice skates, throats will get punctured.

u got one?

Oops sorry bhud...nope a 22 mag though.

you should get one. all the cool kids are doing it

b.hud wrote:you should get one. all the cool kids are doing it

I would love one and your right I am a sucker for peer pressure. I remember one time I was coerced to jump off a 20 ft rock cliff into what look liked deep water. It was two inches deep.

Mornin Beef wrote:

b.hud wrote:you should get one. all the cool kids are doing it

I would love one and your right I am a sucker for peer pressure. I remember one time I was coerced to jump off a 20 ft rock cliff into what look liked deep water. It was two inches deep.

two inches? must have been some muddy ass water

b.hud wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:

b.hud wrote:you should get one. all the cool kids are doing it

I would love one and your right I am a sucker for peer pressure. I remember one time I was coerced to jump off a 20 ft rock cliff into what look liked deep water. It was two inches deep.

two inches? must have been some muddy ass water

Sitting on flat black bedrock

Mornin Beef wrote:

b.hud wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:

b.hud wrote:you should get one. all the cool kids are doing it

I would love one and your right I am a sucker for peer pressure. I remember one time I was coerced to jump off a 20 ft rock cliff into what look liked deep water. It was two inches deep.

two inches? must have been some muddy ass water

Sitting on flat black bedrock

i see

b.hud wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:

b.hud wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:

b.hud wrote:you should get one. all the cool kids are doing it

I would love one and your right I am a sucker for peer pressure. I remember one time I was coerced to jump off a 20 ft rock cliff into what look liked deep water. It was two inches deep.

two inches? must have been some muddy ass water

Sitting on flat black bedrock

i see

Never seen people laugh that hard. They thought it was deep too and they still die laughing thinking about it. Bruised so badly.

Mornin Beef wrote:Never seen people laugh that hard. They thought it was deep too and they still die laughing thinking about it. Bruised so badly.

belly flop?

b.hud wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:Never seen people laugh that hard. They thought it was deep too and they still die laughing thinking about it. Bruised so badly.

belly flop?

that would have been death. It was a knees bent careful jump. If it was a good pencil jump i would have broke both my legs.

b.hud wrote:

Mornin Beef wrote:Never seen people laugh that hard. They thought it was deep too and they still die laughing thinking about it. Bruised so badly.

belly flop?

that would have been death. It was a knees bent careful jump. If it was a good pencil jump i would have broke both my legs.

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