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it can't hurt

Postby capt1972 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:20 pm

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Re: it can't hurt

Postby Olly » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:23 pm

capt1972 wrote:http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/takeAction.html

Pretty cool Ruger is doing this.


I still call my congressman weekly. They are getting tired of me.
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby capt1972 » Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:40 pm

Olly wrote:
capt1972 wrote:http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/takeAction.html

Pretty cool Ruger is doing this.


I still call my congressman weekly. They are getting tired of me.

me too, but this I will do daily.
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby NuffDaddy » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:20 pm

I've sent that email several times to my senators and reps. Every little bit helps.


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Re: it can't hurt

Postby huntntech » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:54 pm

I've done that a few times myself!
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby JustinNH » Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:02 pm

capt1972 wrote:http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/takeAction.html

Pretty cool Ruger is doing this.


yeah, I did that a week or so ago.

So far one response from Porter... and it was crap. I replied telling her so as well.
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby assateague » Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:44 pm

Here's the reply that I got from my Rep. While it is a form letter, it pretty much sums up my views precisely. And the fact that he's in Congress is ywt another indicator that it's that shithole of a state on the other side of the Chesapeake that needs to go, not our portion of it down here in God's country.


Dear Mr. Lopez,



Thank you for contacting me regarding your concerns surrounding the potential erosion of our 2nd Amendment rights by actions taken by President Obama without Congressional approval, including Executive Orders.


As you may know, in response to the Newtown shootings President Obama formed a task force headed by Vice President Joe Biden with the intention of exploring additional ways to reduce gun violence. President Obama released their findings in the form of 23 "Gun Violence Reduction Executive Actions." While I agree with the President that focusing on mental illness is an essential component to reducing gun violence, I have strong concerns about executive orders that threaten our 2nd Amendment rights, and about expansion of federal gun control laws.


One thing is certain: we all must work together to prevent these types of tragedies and to ensure that our children are safe and our schools are secure. However, this must be done by striking a balance between safe and responsible gun ownership and prosecuting violent criminals to the fullest extent of the law. With over 4,450 laws related to guns on the books, many of which were broken in these recent crimes, our attention should be focused on enforcing the already numerous gun laws and restrictions, while devoting much needed attention both to mental health care reform and to violence in the media.


I believe we have to start by addressing the culture of violence that has consumed our country. Our news media, movies, television shows, and video games display endless violent images that glorify and inspire this behavior. We have to stop sensationalizing these murderers. According to KidsHealth, the average child spends 28 hours a week watching television. It is estimated that by the time this child leaves elementary school, he or she will have witnessed 8,000 murders and over 100,000 other acts of violence (and this does not include violent video games). According to The Parents Television Council, by the time children reach the age of 18, they have seen more than 40,000 murders and 200,000 acts of violence. I believe this is a major contributor to the problem


Finally, mental health care reform needs to be a part of the discussion. It is important to remember that those with mental illnesses rarely commit acts of violence—and these incidents must be put into perspective. However, we need to make sure children and young adults with mental illness are diagnosed and have access to proper care in order to help them cope with their condition. Studies show that more than 10% of children in the United States may benefit from some sort of mental health treatment, but most do not receive help. There is a shortage of resources and services available to serve those that need mental health care support


I believe that by addressing our country's increasingly worrisome culture of violence, and implementing strategies to generally improve our mental health system, we can lessen the occurrence of any violent tragedy by targeting their root causes. I am grateful for your comments, and you may rest assured that I will keep your views in mind as legislation on this issue is discussed. I hope that you will feel free to contact me on any issue of importance to you or your family in the future.


Sincerely,

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Re: it can't hurt

Postby jarbo03 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:59 pm

Thats cool!

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Re: it can't hurt

Postby NuffDaddy » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:04 pm

Never got a response from any I sent.


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Re: it can't hurt

Postby rozzo842 » Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:27 pm

The only response I got


Dear Mr. Roslan:

Thank you for contacting me to express your concerns regarding additional firearms legislation in the wake of the shooting in Newtown, Connecticut. Your opinion is very important to me, and I appreciate the opportunity to respond to you on this critical issue.

As the father of two, this tragedy struck painfully close to my heart and painfully close to the heart of every parent. No parent should ever have to bear the unspeakable pain of losing a child, especially to this type of tragedy. I join with every American in expressing our deep and abiding grief as a nation and our deepest -- most heartfelt --condolences to the families of the victims.

As your Senator, I strongly defend the rights of citizens to use firearms responsibly for recreational purposes or protection of one's family and home. At the same time, I vigorously support efforts to keep guns out of the hands of individuals that wish to use them against society.

Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. On this, as with any other issue, there are many different views. Please be assured that I will keep your views in mind. I invite you to visit my website (http://menendez.senate.gov <https://iqs3.solutions.lmit.com/iqextranet/iqClickTrk.aspx?&cid=quorum_ menendez-iq&crop=15536.14946883.6278941.8411830&redir ect=http%3a%2f%2fme nendez.senate.gov> ) to learn more about how I am standing up for New Jersey families in the United States Senate.
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby 3legged_lab » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:33 pm

I finally clicked the link, that's pretty cool they are doing that.

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Re: it can't hurt

Postby FlintRiverFowler » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:50 pm

Here's mine from Saxby Chambliss:
Dear Mr. Hassey:

Thank you for writing me regarding the right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. Your taking the time to contact me is appreciated.

I have always been and remain a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. While I am certain that the president's proposal is well-intentioned, it is Congress' responsibility to make sure that Americans' constitutional rights are protected. We must make certain that the rights and freedoms of law-abiding citizens are not unfairly impeded. I believe that the ability of sportsmen, hunters, gun enthusiasts and citizens concerned with their personal safety to own a gun, whether for sport or protection, is clearly defined in the Constitution and must not be compromised.

In response to recent tragic and high-profile acts of violence, there is a renewed focus on government regulation of guns. It is likely that Congress will soon have an extensive and detailed conversation about all of the potential causes of these crimes, including mental health issues, depictions of violence in television, movies, and video games, and firearms.

I know that dialogue regarding acts of violence will likely result in a wide range of legislative proposals seeking to address the underlying causes. As these pieces of legislation come before me in the Senate, I will keep your thoughts in mind.

Please do not hesitate to contact me if I may be of assistance to you in the future. In the meantime, if you would like to receive timely e-mail alerts regarding the latest congressional actions and my weekly e-newsletter, please sign up via my web site at: www.chambliss.senate.gov.


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Re: it can't hurt

Postby assateague » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:54 pm

He's not running for reelection. He doesn't give a shit.
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby 3legged_lab » Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:14 pm

I did this last night and have already gotten back 2 responses from Sen. Doug Whitsett's office.

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Re: it can't hurt

Postby QH's Paw » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:23 pm

I also received emails back the week I sent these out. I think I received 3 but, 2 of them were from the congress woman and in the second one, she stated her position, sort of.
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby Flightstopper » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:01 pm

capt1972 wrote:http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/takeAction.html

Pretty cool Ruger is doing this.


Worried about their bottom dollar
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby QH's Paw » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:22 pm

Flightstopper wrote:
capt1972 wrote:http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/takeAction.html

Pretty cool Ruger is doing this.


Worried about their bottom dollar

I guarantee, Ruger, and all gun makers, can not keep up with their orders right now. Add to that the inflated prices and I'd say they would be best served the longer this thing gets dragged out and, kept in the front of the news. Now, if there actually was a national "can't" own guns litigation that suceeded, that would put the hurt on them.
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby 3legged_lab » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:14 pm

Here's one email I got this morning:
Dear 3legged_lab,
 Thank you for taking the time to write Representative Whitsett regarding gun legislation. The Representative is strongly in favor the Second Amendment and would oppose any legislation restricting these rights. Representative Whitsett encourages you to share your opinion with Senators Merkley and Wyden, Representative Walden, and President Obama, as they are the highest elected officials representing Oregonians. It is encouraging to know that the Representative’s constituents are taking an active voice in politics – please continue to do so! 
Warm regards,
Kelseyw/Rep Whitsett

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Re: it can't hurt

Postby Mornin Beef » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:21 pm

This could really hurt if these accumulated petitions get in the wrong govt's hands. Think about it, I didn't.
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby assateague » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:33 pm

I'm already on all the lists. A few more petitions ain't gonna hurt any.
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby 3legged_lab » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:03 pm

I'm pretty confident that a cookie cutter letter is not admission of ownership.

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Re: it can't hurt

Postby Mornin Beef » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:10 pm

3legged_lab wrote:I'm pretty confident that a cookie cutter letter is not admission of ownership.

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Re: it can't hurt

Postby JGUN » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:21 am

I'm so pissed right now...what an idiot.


Dear Mr. Jgun:

Thank you for contacting me about gun safety issues. I appreciate you sharing your views with me.

I support sensible gun safety laws and strict enforcement of those laws to help prevent crimes, suicides and violence committed with firearms. I support the steps President Obama outlined recently to curb the gun violence that plagues our nation, and I believe Congress can and should work to enact legislation to prevent gun violence without infringing on the rights of law-abiding citizens.

I was an original cosponsor of the Brady Law (P.L.103-159). This law requires prospective handgun purchasers to undergo criminal background checks before purchasing a firearm from a licensed dealer. The background check system is able to make 92 percent of background check determinations on the spot, and since 1994, has prevented more than 1.5 million firearm purchases. Additionally, according to Centers for Disease Control statistics, since the Brady Law went into effect, the number of gun deaths in the United States dropped 22 percent, from 39,595 in 1993 to 30,769 in 2007. The number of gun homicides dropped by more than 29 percent, from 17,024 in 1993 to 12,129 in 2007.

While the Brady Law has been successful in reducing gun violence, I believe more has to be done. For example, only 60 percent of all gun sales in the United States take place at licensed federal dealers, where background checks are mandatory. The remaining 40 percent of gun sales are conducted by unlicensed individual sellers, often at gun shows, and a background check is not required. This means that across our nation, any dangerous individual can go to a gun show and purchase a deadly weapon without any form of background check. To close this ‘gun show loophole,’ I am a cosponsor of the Gun Show Background Check Act. This bill would enact the common sense principle that anyone who wants to purchase a firearm at a gun show should be able to pass a simple background check. Ten national police organizations support closing this loophole.

Additionally, I am a cosponsor of the Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act, a bill that seeks to reduce gun violence by keeping firearms out of the hands of terrorists and criminals. Although hard to believe, nothing in current law prohibits individuals on terrorist watch lists from purchasing firearms, unless they fall into another disqualifying category. This “terror gap” in federal law must be closed, and this bill would do just that. This legislation would deny the transfer of a firearm when a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) background check reveals that the prospective purchaser is a known or suspected terrorist and the Attorney General has a reasonable belief that the purchaser may use the firearm in connection with terrorism. Keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists is just common sense.

I also have always supported the rights of sportsmen and hunters. Hunting is a way of life for millions of Americans and plays an integral role in modern wildlife management. But military style assault weapons have no sporting purpose. Because of these weapons, our nation’s citizens are in greater danger and police officers across the country are encountering criminals armed with highly lethal military style weapons.

To support our law enforcement community and to save lives, I am a cosponsor of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013. This legislation would prevent the future possession, manufacture, sale and importation of assault-type weapons while grandfathering weapons lawfully possessed at the date of the bill’s enactment. It would ban firearms with detachable magazines and military style features, such as grenade launchers, protruding pistol grips, and barrel shrouds. It would support law enforcement officers across our nation, who should not be forced to confront lawbreakers toting military arms. And it would protect the rights of hunters by specifically naming thousands of firearms with legitimate sporting, sentimental or other value that would remain legal to possess.

This bill also would ban high capacity ammunition magazines. Studies have shown that high capacity ammunition magazines are used in 31 to 41 percent of fatal police shootings in cities across our nation. They also have been used by the perpetrators of numerous mass shootings, including at Columbine High School, Virginia Tech, the Tucson shooting of Representative Gabrielle Giffords and 19 others, the attack on a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, and the horrifying shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. The Newtown shooting alone left twenty six people dead, twenty of them children.

We must not wait until more places are added to this heartbreaking list. We can and should act swiftly to protect our families and loved ones from mass shootings. These measures have the overwhelming support of law enforcement communities around our nation, who have implored us to make changes to stop the flood of these types of weapons into the hands of those who would use them for harm. I will continue to work for common-sense gun safety measures.

Thank you again for contacting me.

Sincerely, Carl Levin levin.senate.gov
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby Flightstopper » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:42 am

What an ass, how the fuck can you claim responsibility for all reduction of gun deaths and contribute it to a bill you help pass. How can he also even think he can put a number on guns purchased from dealers vs not? Another arbitrary number pulled from the ass of the left
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby JustinNH » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:14 pm

What a crap letter.

"Studies have shown that high capacity ammunition magazines are used in 31 to 41 percent of fatal police shootings in cities across our nation. "

Who wants to bet the vast majority of those, if the #s are even correct, are from standard glock or other similar mags that come with more than a 10 round capacity and very few from the big scary 30 rd mags everyone is talking about. They criminals would have to go out of their way to get a mag that holds less than 10!
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby Flightstopper » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:19 pm

If the ban passes what are "legal" citizens suppose to do not if but when a criminal comes out with a high cap mag? 30 rounds vs 6 rounds will never add up in our favor
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby assateague » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:04 pm

If this whole "watch list" provision passes, I suppose I'll never be able to buy another gun. I wish someone would just put on their big boy pants and say "that's it, they're all illegal, and we're taking them" so we could get this ball rolling.
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby JustinNH » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:12 pm

assateague wrote:If this whole "watch list" provision passes, I suppose I'll never be able to buy another gun. I wish someone would just put on their big boy pants and say "that's it, they're all illegal, and we're taking them" so we could get this ball rolling.



Ya know, I have had those exact same thoughts.

I've even been purchasing select items that will probably never become illegal, but just something I'd rather have now than in the future. Paranoid? Maybe a bit, but who the hell knows. The more I read/watch the news, the more I fear for the future.

Candle light vigils for dead elk... worrying about campfire smoke crossing property lines (NH)... gun control when the deficit is such an issue. wtf is wrong with people!

I would rather have what I need/would like now, than have to worry about getting it later.
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby JGUN » Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:14 pm

assateague wrote:If this whole "watch list" provision passes, I suppose I'll never be able to buy another gun. I wish someone would just put on their big boy pants and say "that's it, they're all illegal, and we're taking them" so we could get this ball rolling.

I agree.
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Re: it can't hurt

Postby Bad17 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:46 pm

JGUN wrote:I'm so pissed right now...what an idiot.


Dear Mr. Jgun:

Thank you for contacting me about gun safety issues. I appreciate you sharing your views with me.

I support sensible gun safety laws and strict enforcement of those laws to help prevent crimes, suicides and violence committed with firearms. I support the steps President Obama outlined recently to curb the gun violence that plagues our nation, and I believe Congress can and should work to enact legislation to prevent gun violence without infringing on the rights of law-abiding citizens.

I was an original cosponsor of the Brady Law (P.L.103-159). This law requires prospective handgun purchasers to undergo criminal background checks before purchasing a firearm from a licensed dealer. The background check system is able to make 92 percent of background check determinations on the spot, and since 1994, has prevented more than 1.5 million firearm purchases. Additionally, according to Centers for Disease Control statistics, since the Brady Law went into effect, the number of gun deaths in the United States dropped 22 percent, from 39,595 in 1993 to 30,769 in 2007. The number of gun homicides dropped by more than 29 percent, from 17,024 in 1993 to 12,129 in 2007.

While the Brady Law has been successful in reducing gun violence, I believe more has to be done. For example, only 60 percent of all gun sales in the United States take place at licensed federal dealers, where background checks are mandatory. The remaining 40 percent of gun sales are conducted by unlicensed individual sellers, often at gun shows, and a background check is not required. This means that across our nation, any dangerous individual can go to a gun show and purchase a deadly weapon without any form of background check. To close this ‘gun show loophole,’ I am a cosponsor of the Gun Show Background Check Act. This bill would enact the common sense principle that anyone who wants to purchase a firearm at a gun show should be able to pass a simple background check. Ten national police organizations support closing this loophole.

Additionally, I am a cosponsor of the Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act, a bill that seeks to reduce gun violence by keeping firearms out of the hands of terrorists and criminals. Although hard to believe, nothing in current law prohibits individuals on terrorist watch lists from purchasing firearms, unless they fall into another disqualifying category. This “terror gap” in federal law must be closed, and this bill would do just that. This legislation would deny the transfer of a firearm when a Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) background check reveals that the prospective purchaser is a known or suspected terrorist and the Attorney General has a reasonable belief that the purchaser may use the firearm in connection with terrorism. Keeping guns out of the hands of terrorists is just common sense.

I also have always supported the rights of sportsmen and hunters. Hunting is a way of life for millions of Americans and plays an integral role in modern wildlife management. But military style assault weapons have no sporting purpose. Because of these weapons, our nation’s citizens are in greater danger and police officers across the country are encountering criminals armed with highly lethal military style weapons.

To support our law enforcement community and to save lives, I am a cosponsor of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013. This legislation would prevent the future possession, manufacture, sale and importation of assault-type weapons while grandfathering weapons lawfully possessed at the date of the bill’s enactment. It would ban firearms with detachable magazines and military style features, such as grenade launchers, protruding pistol grips, and barrel shrouds. It would support law enforcement officers across our nation, who should not be forced to confront lawbreakers toting military arms. And it would protect the rights of hunters by specifically naming thousands of firearms with legitimate sporting, sentimental or other value that would remain legal to possess.

This bill also would ban high capacity ammunition magazines. Studies have shown that high capacity ammunition magazines are used in 31 to 41 percent of fatal police shootings in cities across our nation. They also have been used by the perpetrators of numerous mass shootings, including at Columbine High School, Virginia Tech, the Tucson shooting of Representative Gabrielle Giffords and 19 others, the attack on a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, and the horrifying shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. The Newtown shooting alone left twenty six people dead, twenty of them children.

We must not wait until more places are added to this heartbreaking list. We can and should act swiftly to protect our families and loved ones from mass shootings. These measures have the overwhelming support of law enforcement communities around our nation, who have implored us to make changes to stop the flood of these types of weapons into the hands of those who would use them for harm. I will continue to work for common-sense gun safety measures.

Thank you again for contacting me.

Sincerely, Carl Levin levin.senate.gov


What a fucking idiot. Some people really believe this shit and think this will fix everything. But really this will happen

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