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http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20130222/UPDATE/130222029/Verdict-Collier-found-not-guilty-all-charges

Has no bear tag. Shoots at what he thought was a bear in a baited field. Discovers he made a one shot kill on a 20 year old man. Acquitted on all counts.

If I ever get busted doing something illegal, I want this guys lawyer.

banknote wrote:http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20130222/UPDATE/130222029/Verdict-Collier-found-not-guilty-all-charges

Has no bear tag. Shoots at what he thought was a bear in a baited field. Discovers he made a one shot kill on a 20 year old man. Acquitted on all counts.

Might not need a bear tag. Some states include it with big game (unless there was a part in the story I missed). While tragic, I do feel that "stupid" should carry a heavier penalty in life. Perhaps not death, but if you're crawling around on the edge of someone's field during hunting season, chances are you either weren't too bright or were up to something you weren't supposed to be up to.

I agree with assa on this. Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again.
The story doesn't mention if his boyfriend was injured.

Natural selection for the win!

Bulldog0156 wrote:Natural selection for the win!

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It's in Oregon. He would have to buy a bear tag but, I see nowhere in that story that states he was unlicensed or had no tag. There would be other game violations, if that were the case. He openly admits he thought it was a bear and shot. In Oregon, that's enough to charge him and it wouldn't be a criminal charge but a game violation.
I suspect that "grandpa" took the responsibility for something the kid actually did.
They took the time to get their story straight though, that's for sure.

Dead guy was a 20 year old Marine reservist from CA. He was visiting and "hiking" with an older gentleman described as a friend. Older stories had that he was hunched over picking mushrooms, but testimony indicates otherwise. And yes, he was trespassing, purportedly unknowingly.

Shooter was on his brother's property and admitted to responding officers that he had no bear tag, but thought he was shooting at a bear. In testimony he said "I look and there's something on its hands and knees," which seems to me like an odd way to describe a bear. "It looks like a bear. I adjust to the target, then shoot it. I'm still certain it's a bear." As he approached from 100 yards away he realized it was a person.

Whatever the circumstances, he misidentified a target and killed a person while shooting at what he thought was an animal he was not licensed to hunt. How this equates to multiple acquittals and no convictions of either criminal or hunting violations is beyond me. Probably came down to the lawyering; a bad prosecutor, a good defense, or both.

In any case, I hope I'm never in the woods anywhere near where Mr. Collier is hunting.

banknote wrote:He was visiting and "hiking" with an older gentleman described as a friend. Older stories had that he was hunched over picking mushrooms, but testimony indicates otherwise. And yes, he was trespassing, purportedly unknowingly.

Ha! My previous joke/prediction is relevent. Pickin mushrooms, eh?

Surprised he didn't get a twofer with one shot.

assateague wrote:Surprised he didn't get a twofer with one shot.

Like getting two birds stoned at once

He must have had a broadside shot....

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banknote wrote:Dead guy was a 20 year old Marine reservist from CA. He was visiting and "hiking" with an older gentleman described as a friend. Older stories had that he was hunched over picking mushrooms, but testimony indicates otherwise. And yes, he was trespassing, purportedly unknowingly.

Shooter was on his brother's property and admitted to responding officers that he had no bear tag, but thought he was shooting at a bear. In testimony he said "I look and there's something on its hands and knees," which seems to me like an odd way to describe a bear. "It looks like a bear. I adjust to the target, then shoot it. I'm still certain it's a bear." As he approached from 100 yards away he realized it was a person.

Whatever the circumstances, he misidentified a target and killed a person while shooting at what he thought was an animal he was not licensed to hunt. How this equates to multiple acquittals and no convictions of either criminal or hunting violations is beyond me. Probably came down to the lawyering; a bad prosecutor, a good defense, or both.

In any case, I hope I'm never in the woods anywhere near where Mr. Collier is hunting.

you can tell them you are hunting eagles and there's not any thing they can do until you shoot one.

he didn't shoot a bear

Bufflehead wrote:

banknote wrote:Dead guy was a 20 year old Marine reservist from CA. He was visiting and "hiking" with an older gentleman described as a friend. Older stories had that he was hunched over picking mushrooms, but testimony indicates otherwise. And yes, he was trespassing, purportedly unknowingly.

Shooter was on his brother's property and admitted to responding officers that he had no bear tag, but thought he was shooting at a bear. In testimony he said "I look and there's something on its hands and knees," which seems to me like an odd way to describe a bear. "It looks like a bear. I adjust to the target, then shoot it. I'm still certain it's a bear." As he approached from 100 yards away he realized it was a person.

Whatever the circumstances, he misidentified a target and killed a person while shooting at what he thought was an animal he was not licensed to hunt. How this equates to multiple acquittals and no convictions of either criminal or hunting violations is beyond me. Probably came down to the lawyering; a bad prosecutor, a good defense, or both.

In any case, I hope I'm never in the woods anywhere near where Mr. Collier is hunting.

you can tell them you are hunting eagles and there's not any thing they can do until you shoot one.

he didn't shoot a bear

not the way it works here. MI conservation officers can, and have given tickets for confessions without ever witnessing a violation.


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COs have more power than a law enforcement officer.


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Bufflehead wrote:

banknote wrote:Dead guy was a 20 year old Marine reservist from CA. He was visiting and "hiking" with an older gentleman described as a friend. Older stories had that he was hunched over picking mushrooms, but testimony indicates otherwise. And yes, he was trespassing, purportedly unknowingly.

Shooter was on his brother's property and admitted to responding officers that he had no bear tag, but thought he was shooting at a bear. In testimony he said "I look and there's something on its hands and knees," which seems to me like an odd way to describe a bear. "It looks like a bear. I adjust to the target, then shoot it. I'm still certain it's a bear." As he approached from 100 yards away he realized it was a person.

Whatever the circumstances, he misidentified a target and killed a person while shooting at what he thought was an animal he was not licensed to hunt. How this equates to multiple acquittals and no convictions of either criminal or hunting violations is beyond me. Probably came down to the lawyering; a bad prosecutor, a good defense, or both.

In any case, I hope I'm never in the woods anywhere near where Mr. Collier is hunting.

you can tell them you are hunting eagles and there's not any thing they can do until you shoot one.

he didn't shoot a bear

I don't know buffie, we have some strict game laws in Oregon. I asked a trooper once about the "robo-buck" they use for catching poachers and road hunters, I asked how they can issue a ticket for "shooting a deer from a vehicle" when their "violator" only shot a deer hide wrapped over foam. My cousin can verify that the ticket will hold up in court.

Bufflehead wrote:

banknote wrote:Dead guy was a 20 year old Marine reservist from CA. He was visiting and "hiking" with an older gentleman described as a friend. Older stories had that he was hunched over picking mushrooms, but testimony indicates otherwise. And yes, he was trespassing, purportedly unknowingly.

Shooter was on his brother's property and admitted to responding officers that he had no bear tag, but thought he was shooting at a bear. In testimony he said "I look and there's something on its hands and knees," which seems to me like an odd way to describe a bear. "It looks like a bear. I adjust to the target, then shoot it. I'm still certain it's a bear." As he approached from 100 yards away he realized it was a person.

Whatever the circumstances, he misidentified a target and killed a person while shooting at what he thought was an animal he was not licensed to hunt. How this equates to multiple acquittals and no convictions of either criminal or hunting violations is beyond me. Probably came down to the lawyering; a bad prosecutor, a good defense, or both.

In any case, I hope I'm never in the woods anywhere near where Mr. Collier is hunting.

you can tell them you are hunting eagles and there's not any thing they can do until you shoot one.

he didn't shoot a bear

Doesn't work that way in Oregon. Same as Nuff said, if he tells LEO he was hunting or shooting bear, he is on the hook for charges, if they choose to charge him.

3legged_lab wrote:I don't know buffie, we have some strict game laws in Oregon. I asked a trooper once about the "robo-buck" they use for catching poachers and road hunters, I asked how they can issue a ticket for "shooting a deer from a vehicle" when their "violator" only shot a deer hide wrapped over foam. My cousin can verify that the ticket will hold up in court.

attempting to take simulated wildlife has the same punnishment as taking wildlife. so does "attempting" to take wildlife.

I don't care what they say, if I shoot a yard gnome it doesn't mean jehler's lil buddies are in danger.

3legged_lab wrote:I don't care what they say, if I shoot a yard gnome it doesn't mean jehler's lil buddies are in danger.

you never see those things around here anymore. you use to see the little porch (edit by mod) that holds a lantern all the time to but not any more

3legged_lab wrote:

banknote wrote:He was visiting and "hiking" with an older gentleman described as a friend. Older stories had that he was hunched over picking mushrooms, but testimony indicates otherwise. And yes, he was trespassing, purportedly unknowingly.

Ha! My previous joke/prediction is relevent. Pickin mushrooms, eh?

Yours is the first inference to this potential scenario that I have come across, and it does put a little different picture of the incident to test.

Only way I figure he semi-logically escaped any game violations is may be the land owner/his brother had authorization to kill nuisance bears on the property.

3legged_lab wrote:

Bufflehead wrote:

banknote wrote:Dead guy was a 20 year old Marine reservist from CA. He was visiting and "hiking" with an older gentleman described as a friend. Older stories had that he was hunched over picking mushrooms, but testimony indicates otherwise. And yes, he was trespassing, purportedly unknowingly.

Shooter was on his brother's property and admitted to responding officers that he had no bear tag, but thought he was shooting at a bear. In testimony he said "I look and there's something on its hands and knees," which seems to me like an odd way to describe a bear. "It looks like a bear. I adjust to the target, then shoot it. I'm still certain it's a bear." As he approached from 100 yards away he realized it was a person.

Whatever the circumstances, he misidentified a target and killed a person while shooting at what he thought was an animal he was not licensed to hunt. How this equates to multiple acquittals and no convictions of either criminal or hunting violations is beyond me. Probably came down to the lawyering; a bad prosecutor, a good defense, or both.

In any case, I hope I'm never in the woods anywhere near where Mr. Collier is hunting.

you can tell them you are hunting eagles and there's not any thing they can do until you shoot one.

he didn't shoot a bear

I don't know buffie, we have some strict game laws in Oregon. I asked a trooper once about the "robo-buck" they use for catching poachers and road hunters, I asked how they can issue a ticket for "shooting a deer from a vehicle" when their "violator" only shot a deer hide wrapped over foam. My cousin can verify that the ticket will hold up in court.

Here, you get ticketed for shooting from a road, or hunting after legal hours, no actual "animal" related charges. A couple guys here stole a robo buck a few years back, got away with it, and cut it up with a sawzall, dumped it next to the highway. DNR was set up on the hardball road, but the fellas passed it up, came down an old logging cut, grabbed it and took off. I told you, poaching and disrespect for DNR go back over 150 years around here.

Still makes me laugh.

assateague wrote:

3legged_lab wrote:

Bufflehead wrote:

banknote wrote:Dead guy was a 20 year old Marine reservist from CA. He was visiting and "hiking" with an older gentleman described as a friend. Older stories had that he was hunched over picking mushrooms, but testimony indicates otherwise. And yes, he was trespassing, purportedly unknowingly.

Shooter was on his brother's property and admitted to responding officers that he had no bear tag, but thought he was shooting at a bear. In testimony he said "I look and there's something on its hands and knees," which seems to me like an odd way to describe a bear. "It looks like a bear. I adjust to the target, then shoot it. I'm still certain it's a bear." As he approached from 100 yards away he realized it was a person.

Whatever the circumstances, he misidentified a target and killed a person while shooting at what he thought was an animal he was not licensed to hunt. How this equates to multiple acquittals and no convictions of either criminal or hunting violations is beyond me. Probably came down to the lawyering; a bad prosecutor, a good defense, or both.

In any case, I hope I'm never in the woods anywhere near where Mr. Collier is hunting.

you can tell them you are hunting eagles and there's not any thing they can do until you shoot one.

he didn't shoot a bear

I don't know buffie, we have some strict game laws in Oregon. I asked a trooper once about the "robo-buck" they use for catching poachers and road hunters, I asked how they can issue a ticket for "shooting a deer from a vehicle" when their "violator" only shot a deer hide wrapped over foam. My cousin can verify that the ticket will hold up in court.

Here, you get ticketed for shooting from a road, or hunting after legal hours, no actual "animal" related charges. A couple guys here stole a robo buck a few years back, got away with it, and cut it up with a sawzall, dumped it next to the highway. DNR was set up on the hardball road, but the fellas passed it up, came down an old logging cut, grabbed it and took off. I told you, poaching and disrespect for DNR go back over 150 years around here.

Still makes me laugh.

Thats awesome

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Bufflehead wrote:

banknote wrote:Dead guy was a 20 year old Marine reservist from CA. He was visiting and "hiking" with an older gentleman described as a friend. Older stories had that he was hunched over picking mushrooms, but testimony indicates otherwise. And yes, he was trespassing, purportedly unknowingly.

Shooter was on his brother's property and admitted to responding officers that he had no bear tag, but thought he was shooting at a bear. In testimony he said "I look and there's something on its hands and knees," which seems to me like an odd way to describe a bear. "It looks like a bear. I adjust to the target, then shoot it. I'm still certain it's a bear." As he approached from 100 yards away he realized it was a person.

Whatever the circumstances, he misidentified a target and killed a person while shooting at what he thought was an animal he was not licensed to hunt. How this equates to multiple acquittals and no convictions of either criminal or hunting violations is beyond me. Probably came down to the lawyering; a bad prosecutor, a good defense, or both.

In any case, I hope I'm never in the woods anywhere near where Mr. Collier is hunting.

you can tell them you are hunting eagles and there's not any thing they can do until you shoot one.

he didn't shoot a bear

I strongly disagree. Try telling a game warden you're hunting and shooting at CROWS "out of season" and see what happens. You will get tried and convicted for attempting to take crows out of season. No evidence required.
I triple-dog-dare you to tell a GW that you are hunting American Bald Eagles with a loaded shotgun or rifle in your hands.

3legged_lab wrote:

Bufflehead wrote:

banknote wrote:Dead guy was a 20 year old Marine reservist from CA. He was visiting and "hiking" with an older gentleman described as a friend. Older stories had that he was hunched over picking mushrooms, but testimony indicates otherwise. And yes, he was trespassing, purportedly unknowingly.

Shooter was on his brother's property and admitted to responding officers that he had no bear tag, but thought he was shooting at a bear. In testimony he said "I look and there's something on its hands and knees," which seems to me like an odd way to describe a bear. "It looks like a bear. I adjust to the target, then shoot it. I'm still certain it's a bear." As he approached from 100 yards away he realized it was a person.

Whatever the circumstances, he misidentified a target and killed a person while shooting at what he thought was an animal he was not licensed to hunt. How this equates to multiple acquittals and no convictions of either criminal or hunting violations is beyond me. Probably came down to the lawyering; a bad prosecutor, a good defense, or both.

In any case, I hope I'm never in the woods anywhere near where Mr. Collier is hunting.

you can tell them you are hunting eagles and there's not any thing they can do until you shoot one.

he didn't shoot a bear

I don't know buffie, we have some strict game laws in Oregon. I asked a trooper once about the "robo-buck" they use for catching poachers and road hunters, I asked how they can issue a ticket for "shooting a deer from a vehicle" when their "violator" only shot a deer hide wrapped over foam. My cousin can verify that the ticket will hold up in court.

came across one of those robo bucks 2 years ago. They had us set up in about a foot of water on the main channel on a WMA. I think it was a mainframe 14 pt with about a 20"spread. It's head moved and it's eyes glowed. Went back and forth 3 or 4 times taking pictures of the deer and it never moved...just kept turning its head back and forth. Decided to go see what was wrong with it (still thinking it was a real deer) got within about 3 feet with the boat and decided to touch it...finally realized it was a sting the DNR had setup. I bet the guys sitting in the bushes on the bank were falling over laughing.


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NuffDaddy wrote:

3legged_lab wrote:

Bufflehead wrote:

banknote wrote:Dead guy was a 20 year old Marine reservist from CA. He was visiting and "hiking" with an older gentleman described as a friend. Older stories had that he was hunched over picking mushrooms, but testimony indicates otherwise. And yes, he was trespassing, purportedly unknowingly.

Shooter was on his brother's property and admitted to responding officers that he had no bear tag, but thought he was shooting at a bear. In testimony he said "I look and there's something on its hands and knees," which seems to me like an odd way to describe a bear. "It looks like a bear. I adjust to the target, then shoot it. I'm still certain it's a bear." As he approached from 100 yards away he realized it was a person.

Whatever the circumstances, he misidentified a target and killed a person while shooting at what he thought was an animal he was not licensed to hunt. How this equates to multiple acquittals and no convictions of either criminal or hunting violations is beyond me. Probably came down to the lawyering; a bad prosecutor, a good defense, or both.

In any case, I hope I'm never in the woods anywhere near where Mr. Collier is hunting.

you can tell them you are hunting eagles and there's not any thing they can do until you shoot one.

he didn't shoot a bear

I don't know buffie, we have some strict game laws in Oregon. I asked a trooper once about the "robo-buck" they use for catching poachers and road hunters, I asked how they can issue a ticket for "shooting a deer from a vehicle" when their "violator" only shot a deer hide wrapped over foam. My cousin can verify that the ticket will hold up in court.

came across one of those robo bucks 2 years ago. They had us set up in about a foot of water on the main channel on a WMA. I think it was a mainframe 14 pt with about a 20"spread. It's head moved and it's eyes glowed. Went back and forth 3 or 4 times taking pictures of the deer and it never moved...just kept turning its head back and forth. Decided to go see what was wrong with it (still thinking it was a real deer) got within about 3 feet with the boat and decided to touch it...finally realized it was a sting the DNR had setup. I bet the guys sitting in the bushes on the bank were falling over laughing.


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Lol, I hope they have it on video.

Bulldog0156 wrote:

NuffDaddy wrote:

3legged_lab wrote:

Bufflehead wrote:

banknote wrote:Dead guy was a 20 year old Marine reservist from CA. He was visiting and "hiking" with an older gentleman described as a friend. Older stories had that he was hunched over picking mushrooms, but testimony indicates otherwise. And yes, he was trespassing, purportedly unknowingly.

Shooter was on his brother's property and admitted to responding officers that he had no bear tag, but thought he was shooting at a bear. In testimony he said "I look and there's something on its hands and knees," which seems to me like an odd way to describe a bear. "It looks like a bear. I adjust to the target, then shoot it. I'm still certain it's a bear." As he approached from 100 yards away he realized it was a person.

Whatever the circumstances, he misidentified a target and killed a person while shooting at what he thought was an animal he was not licensed to hunt. How this equates to multiple acquittals and no convictions of either criminal or hunting violations is beyond me. Probably came down to the lawyering; a bad prosecutor, a good defense, or both.

In any case, I hope I'm never in the woods anywhere near where Mr. Collier is hunting.

you can tell them you are hunting eagles and there's not any thing they can do until you shoot one.

he didn't shoot a bear

I don't know buffie, we have some strict game laws in Oregon. I asked a trooper once about the "robo-buck" they use for catching poachers and road hunters, I asked how they can issue a ticket for "shooting a deer from a vehicle" when their "violator" only shot a deer hide wrapped over foam. My cousin can verify that the ticket will hold up in court.

came across one of those robo bucks 2 years ago. They had us set up in about a foot of water on the main channel on a WMA. I think it was a mainframe 14 pt with about a 20"spread. It's head moved and it's eyes glowed. Went back and forth 3 or 4 times taking pictures of the deer and it never moved...just kept turning its head back and forth. Decided to go see what was wrong with it (still thinking it was a real deer) got within about 3 feet with the boat and decided to touch it...finally realized it was a sting the DNR had setup. I bet the guys sitting in the bushes on the bank were falling over laughing.


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Lol, I hope they have it on video.

I shoulda went and looked for em after I figured it out. Maybe I coulda got a copy of it.


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I've always said that if I see it I wanna hold my knife in my teeth and make a "sneak" on it from behind, jump on it and stab it.

We were on our way out to hunt, in Tillamook, during bow season one time and, they had a 7pt bull elk set up along side the logging road we were on. We stopped and were talking and laughing about how someone with a bow would get out of a rig and believe an elk would just sit there and not take off, giving them a shot. The state trooper came up to the rig and told us we had enough fun and move along.
They actually had a beded 7pt with 3 cows around it in assorted positions, including one cow butt that looked like an elk standing behind a tree. None of the elk were moving. I was thinking they needed at least 2 pickups with long beds to haul them out there.
Usually, they set up next to paved roads now. That way if someone shoots, they can be charged for shooting form the road.