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Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:43 am
by Olly
Lawmakers in California are considering the first statewide ban against hunting with lead bullets, after health and environmental groups raised concerns over the effects of lead on both humans and animals.
"We may see three to four golden eagles a year with lead poisoning. We see a fair number of turkey vultures with lead poisoning," veterinarian Vicki Joseph of the The Bird and Pet Clinic in Roseville, Calif., told ABC News 10. "Usually, it's by eating prey species that have lead shot in them."
In November, one of the oldest condors in Central California died from lead poisoning. The 9-year-old condor was one of the first released from The Ventana Wildlife Society, a conservatory working to return it to the wild. A forensic team determined the condor was not shot, but rather had eaten meat that contained lead. Lead bullet fragments and a .22 caliber slug were found in its gullet.
Healthcare advocates say there is reason to believe traces of lead in hunted game can contain neurotoxins harmful to children and developing fetuses.
"There is no safe level of lead for human consumption," said state Assemblyman Anthony Rendon.
Lead bullets are already prohibited in hunting in eight counties which are home to the endangered California condor. Other states have partial bans, usually in areas containing endangered species, but none have a statewide ban.
The Assembly Water, Parks and Wildlife Committee passed the bill 9-5. Now it will go to the appropriations committee, then the Democrat-majority legislature.
Gun advocacy groups like the National Rifle Asocciation say that banning lead bullets will lead California down the path to more gun control and eventually the end of hunting throughout the state.
Ryan Bronson of the National Shooting Sports Foundation in Minnesota, an opponent of the bill, says 95 percent of bullets use lead slugs.
"We have regulatory uncertainty," Bronson said. "The potential exists for a de facto ammunition ban."
Bronson claims there is not enough evidence that lead is causing the death of a significant amount of wildlife other than the condor.
According to the U.S. Geological Survey there are about 400,000 pieces of lead shot per acre in wild game areas that can be eaten or washed into waterways.
After a 2008 study The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and North Dakota Department of Public Health recommended that pregnant woman and children never eat meat harvested through hunting because the presence of lead in the food is so prevalent.
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Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:18 am
by Pungo
Sounds like those stupid condors need to learn to chew their food better and spit out the pellets.
Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:41 am
by bill herian
the article wrote:Bronson claims there is not enough evidence that lead is causing the death of a significant amount of wildlife other than the condor.
I guess they give you Cali guys 107 days to make up for your poor marksmanship.
Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:38 am
by Bootlipkiller
Sounds like condor season to me.

Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:06 pm
by 3legged_lab
bill herian wrote:the article wrote:Bronson claims there is not enough evidence that lead is causing the death of a significant amount of wildlife other than the condor.
I guess they give you Cali guys 107 days to make up for your poor marksmanship.
Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:45 pm
by assateague
I don't get it. There's a reason species become extinct. Since most, if not all, of the animal rights folks prefer Darwin to religion, it seems hypocritical that they don't just let it happen.
And if they would've opened a condor season 40 years ago, there'd be hundreds of thousands of those bastards by now.
Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:20 pm
by Pungo
Too bad its not cormorants instead of condors.
Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:36 pm
by Mornin Beef
assateague wrote:I don't get it. There's a reason species become extinct. Since most, if not all, of the animal rights folks prefer Darwin to religion, it seems hypocritical that they don't just let it happen.
And if they would've opened a condor season 40 years ago, there'd be hundreds of thousands of those bastards by now.
Yea wth, I'm such a darwinist that I want to be the only living thing left on earth.
Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:45 pm
by Redbeard
assateague wrote:I don't get it. There's a reason species become extinct. Since most, if not all, of the animal rights folks prefer Darwin to religion, it seems hypocritical that they don't just let it happen.
And if they would've opened a condor season 40 years ago, there'd be hundreds of thousands of those bastards by now.
I agree. Finish the ugly bastards off. With just 10 or so left in the wild, I'm sure whatever environmental impact their extinction woulda caused has already happened.
Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:49 pm
by 3legged_lab
Watch what you say, you'll be the one babysitting the tree climbers.
Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:12 pm
by assateague
Mornin Beef wrote:assateague wrote:I don't get it. There's a reason species become extinct. Since most, if not all, of the animal rights folks prefer Darwin to religion, it seems hypocritical that they don't just let it happen.
And if they would've opened a condor season 40 years ago, there'd be hundreds of thousands of those bastards by now.
Yea wth, I'm such a darwinist that I want to be the only living thing left on earth.
Same here. Looks like it's Hunger Games until the finish. Either you're a Darwinist or you're not. (See my Theory of Mediumâ„¢ for further clarification of this)
Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:18 pm
by rebelp74
Redbeard wrote:assateague wrote:I don't get it. There's a reason species become extinct. Since most, if not all, of the animal rights folks prefer Darwin to religion, it seems hypocritical that they don't just let it happen.
And if they would've opened a condor season 40 years ago, there'd be hundreds of thousands of those bastards by now.
I agree. Finish the ugly bastards off. With just 10 or so left in the wild, I'm sure whatever environmental impact their extinction woulda caused has already happened.
Exactly.
Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:36 pm
by chodebelding
Oh no. 3-4 eagles a year.
Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:37 pm
by Flightstopper
assateague wrote:And if they would've opened a condor season 40 years ago, there'd be hundreds of thousands of those bastards by now.
Didn't sportsmen take the turkeys and hippies took the condors at the same time with about the same population problems on both sides?
Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:37 pm
by Bootlipkiller
I would be wiling to bet more condors die from power lines. We should outlaw power lines.
Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:58 pm
by assateague
I would be willing to bet more condors die from my cleverly baited antifreeze traps. My work is almost done. In the name of Darwin. Because I have thumbs, and they don't.
Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:00 pm
by Bootlipkiller
assateague wrote:I would be willing to bet more condors die from my cleverly baited antifreeze traps. My work is almost done. In the name of Darwin. Because I have thumbs, and they don't.

Re: Hey Californias

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Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:25 pm
by Redbeard
Bootlipkiller wrote:I would be wiling to bet more condors die from power lines. We should outlaw power lines.
no...hippies need power lines to power their social media devices to organize their protests