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Carbon15 w/ RedDot 30rd Coll Stock (#90689) $619

Good deal or not?

Same as pre-Newton price

Willie wrote:Carbon15 w/ RedDot 30rd Coll Stock (#90689) $619

Good deal or not?

If its in your sight and you touched it yeah. Otherwise , bonjour.

Willie wrote:Carbon15 w/ RedDot 30rd Coll Stock (#90689) $619

Good deal or not?

5.56?

BMMAZC1516SLORC PRODUCT DETAILS
FAMILY:Carbon 15 Series MODEL:Carbon 15 ORC TYPE:Rifle ACTION:Semi-Auto FINISH:Matte Black STOCK/FRAME:Collapsible / Folding Stock STOCK/GRIPS:Telescoping Stock CALIBER/GAUGE:223 Rem | 5.56 NATO CAPACITY:30+1 # OF MAGS:1 MAGAZINE DESC:30 rd. BARREL:16" SIGHTS:Bushnell Red Dot Sight ADDL INFO:Lightweight Barrel

Seems pretty good to me, but I don't know much. Only that I spent less than that on the one I built, which shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone.

I had a bushy once. The old fashioned metal kind. A good entry level AR but frankly my Frankenstein gun feeds better.

They were both in the .223 caliber.
Mine will always be in .223



Blog- http://www.ksducks.com

Tomkat wrote:I had a bushy once. The old fashioned metal kind. A good entry level AR but frankly my Frankenstein gun feeds better.

They were both in the .223 caliber.
Mine will always be in .223



Blog- http://www.ksducks.com

Interesting you say this. Just talked to a marketing guy from an insurance company who also shoots competitively and his thoughts were similar to yours. He also said he can build a higher end one for me for a few $$$ more.

Willie wrote:

Tomkat wrote:I had a bushy once. The old fashioned metal kind. A good entry level AR but frankly my Frankenstein gun feeds better.

They were both in the .223 caliber.
Mine will always be in .223



Blog- http://www.ksducks.com

Interesting you say this. Just talked to a marketing guy from an insurance company who also shoots competitively and his thoughts were similar to yours. He also said he can build a higher end one for me for a few $$$ more.

I blogged about it last year. I have owned 4 AR15's, and this one is by far my favorite.
If you are really interested in it, send me a PM and I will reveal some surprising numbers to you. For just a little bit more you could do a lot. It all depends on what you want.

Mine shoots dime sized groups and weighs 7 lbs.

Willie wrote: STOCK/FRAME:Collapsible / Folding

On an ar?? How's that work?

huntall6 wrote:

Willie wrote: STOCK/FRAME:Collapsible / Folding

On an ar?? How's that work?

I don't know, that's what the description shows.

Willie wrote:Carbon15 w/ RedDot 30rd Coll Stock (#90689) $619

Good deal or not?

Good price, crappy gun. Keep in mind that is a Carbon (Plastic) Upper/Lower, keep the plastic in the stocks, it doesn't belong in the action of a gun. If you are looking for a reasonably priced AR, look at the DPMS Oracle, should be able to find one for under $700 pretty easily now. The thing is, I don't care if it is Bushmaster, DPMS, Colt, Hi-Point, Red Ryder, etc., there is little to no difference in almost any AR under $1000. You'll see a few that break the mold, and you'll get different features with most guns, but at the heart of it, they are all almost identical in specs. The great thing about AR's, is if you don't like something, you can change it VERY easily, with one glaring exception, and that is the lower receiver (which is why you don't buy a plastic one), which will require a 4473 every time you want to change it.

Now before you say: "But Glocks are made of melted down snow shovels (plastic), and everyone likes them", keep in mind that the Glocks still have metal contact points recessed into the polymer and the plastic on a Glock is not an integral part of the action itself, just merely a handle.

sws002 wrote:

Willie wrote:Carbon15 w/ RedDot 30rd Coll Stock (#90689) $619

Good deal or not?

Good price, crappy gun. Keep in mind that is a Carbon (Plastic) Upper/Lower, keep the plastic in the stocks, it doesn't belong in the action of a gun. If you are looking for a reasonably priced AR, look at the DPMS Oracle, should be able to find one for under $700 pretty easily now. The thing is, I don't care if it is Bushmaster, DPMS, Colt, Hi-Point, Red Ryder, etc., there is little to no difference in almost any AR under $1000. You'll see a few that break the mold, and you'll get different features with most guns, but at the heart of it, they are all almost identical in specs. The great thing about AR's, is if you don't like something, you can change it VERY easily, with one glaring exception, and that is the lower receiver (which is why you don't buy a plastic one), which will require a 4473 every time you want to change it.

Now before you say: "But Glocks are made of melted down snow shovels (plastic), and everyone likes them", keep in mind that the Glocks still have metal contact points recessed into the polymer and the plastic on a Glock is not an integral part of the action itself, just merely a handle.

This is good info and pretty much what the guy I talked to told me. Thank you

Mine was under $500. The lower is plastic, but not the upper. Shoots like a champ.

I would also ask how big of a hurry are you in to get one? The market on these has just stabilized in the last month or so. If you aren't in a big hurry, wait it out a bit and you will likely be able to buy one that has never been shot for pennies on the dollar. You may not be able to break Assa's $500 mark (unless you build your own), but you may be able to grab a little bit nicer gun for a lot less coin.

sws002 wrote:

Willie wrote:Carbon15 w/ RedDot 30rd Coll Stock (#90689) $619

Good deal or not?

Good price, crappy gun. Keep in mind that is a Carbon (Plastic) Upper/Lower, keep the plastic in the stocks, it doesn't belong in the action of a gun. If you are looking for a reasonably priced AR, look at the DPMS Oracle, should be able to find one for under $700 pretty easily now. The thing is, I don't care if it is Bushmaster, DPMS, Colt, Hi-Point, Red Ryder, etc., there is little to no difference in almost any AR under $1000. You'll see a few that break the mold, and you'll get different features with most guns, but at the heart of it, they are all almost identical in specs. The great thing about AR's, is if you don't like something, you can change it VERY easily, with one glaring exception, and that is the lower receiver (which is why you don't buy a plastic one), which will require a 4473 every time you want to change it.

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I think you nailed it.

Regarding stripped metal lower units: ALL of them are made in one of two foundries. They simply stamp on the brand of whom ever is building them.

Where you see an uptick in price and quality in AR's is the bolt carrier assembly. Another expensive item is in the barrels.

Tomkat wrote:Where you see an uptick in price and quality in AR's is the bolt carrier assembly. Another expensive item is in the barrels.

This. Although almost all BCG's are farmed out as well, and for the most part, all the lower end BCG's (in guns under $1000) are of similar quality. Barrels do have quite a bit to do with it, and are probably the most difficult part of the gun to replace. That is the one thing I don't care for on the Oracle, is the pencil thin barrel, but if you don't plan on blowing through 30 rounds as fast as you pull the trigger (not that I'm saying you shouldn't do it at least once) while maintaining any degree of accuracy, they shoot just fine.

sws002 wrote:I would also ask how big of a hurry are you in to get one? The market on these has just stabilized in the last month or so. If you aren't in a big hurry, wait it out a bit and you will likely be able to buy one that has never been shot for pennies on the dollar. You may not be able to break Assa's $500 mark (unless you build your own), but you may be able to grab a little bit nicer gun for a lot less coin.

Not really in any hurry. Have just had my eyes open and not knowing much about them, figured I'd ask you guys. Sift through the BS, and there's a wealth of knowledge 'round here.

really need to get Eric's input guys

sws002 wrote:

Tomkat wrote:Where you see an uptick in price and quality in AR's is the bolt carrier assembly. Another expensive item is in the barrels.

This. Although almost all BCG's are farmed out as well, and for the most part, all the lower end BCG's (in guns under $1000) are of similar quality. Barrels do have quite a bit to do with it, and are probably the most difficult part of the gun to replace. That is the one thing I don't care for on the Oracle, is the pencil thin barrel, but if you don't plan on blowing through 30 rounds as fast as you pull the trigger (not that I'm saying you shouldn't do it at least once) while maintaining any degree of accuracy, they shoot just fine.

My upper is a DPMS sportical. I built the gun to hunt coyotes. I actually like the pencil barrel as it is very light and plenty accurate. I put the money in the trigger, stock, and optics.

It shoots very good groups.

Apparently I need to take some pics of my food stamp gun groups.

assateague wrote:Apparently I need to take some pics of my food stamp gun groups.

Agreed. I suppose I could see your reasoning that having a polymer lower wouldn't be all bad, not a lot of friction happening down there, I still couldn't stomach a polymer upper, no amount of pictures will ever convince me of that.

I agree 100% with that. A plastic upper seems like an all-around bad idea. And not having an FFL check is a huge bonus, as far as I'm concerned.

assateague wrote:Apparently I need to take some pics of my food stamp gun groups.

Do you think the lower has any real effect on group size?

Not at all, which was my point. The stuff INSIDE the lower does, specifically the trigger group, but not the lower itself.

Agree

All this talks of AR's is making me want one just to have.

Pretty much why I made mine. I figure if mine doesn't work as well as I want, I can always "use" it to get a "nicer" one whose owner won't be needing it anymore when the time comes.

assateague wrote:Pretty much why I made mine. I figure if mine doesn't work as well as I want, I can always "use" it to get a "nicer" one whose owner won't be needing it anymore when the time comes.

I am not dogging you for your plastic AR15

Its just not right for me.

To each their own.

I would've tried metal, but I really don''t have the capability to mill metal out in my shop. Fiber is a different story. And it does have a lifetime warranty.