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Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:54 am
by Redbeard
...wanna get Sam a new one for Christmas. Looking at the $150-$200 range. .177 cal. He's got an old Gamo he bought used years ago and its never shot straight. I mean it's OFF. Its been years since I chased rabbits and squirrels with my old RWS. And it wasn't often cause most of the time I had my 22 with me. Can ya guys recommend anything?

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:32 am
by assateague
Wife bought me a Benjamin (the cheap one from Walmart), and it took somewhere around 2,000 rounds before it started getting dialed in. The only reason I kept going was that I read a bunch of reviews that said it took over 1,500 rounds to get it "broke in". I'd go outside, and shoot about 50 a day just to put rounds through it. I've probably got 3,000 through the .22 barrel, and it's just now to the point where I feel confident shooting at birds/rabbits with it.

So I guess what I'm saying is, maybe just try putting a shit ton of rounds through his Gamo first. I've heard they're good rifles, and definitely better than the $100 Benjamin I have, so buying another might not solve the "problem" anyway.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:16 am
by Redbeard
Hmmm I never knew that. Him and his momma bought it as is from a cabelas bargain bin outta state. Should the gun be off 12" in any given direction though?

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:26 am
by jehler
Jr has an rws, had it since he was 4, if I had to guess there's been 5-6 thousand rounds through it maybe? Anyway it's started failing last week, not the same rws as when I was a kid

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:26 am
by jehler
I haven't looked at his gun yet, for all I know he has some home made pellet stuck in the barrel

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:44 am
by AKPirate
I have a Crossman pellet/BB gun that is 40 years old. I have had to break it down and manufacture some seals so that it could pressurize when you pump it. Still cranks and is great for moving along porcupines and squirrels.

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:17 am
by flight control
I have a 14 year old break open made by CZ. I think its called a Slavia. Good quality and very acurate out of the box. Great for shooting squirels, rabbits, grouse, grapes out of your cousin's hand, cherries from peoples lit smokes, etc...

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:45 am
by Redbeard
Awesome I'll just go back in time in my hot tub time machine and pick up one of these oldie but goodies

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:46 am
by Redbeard
That was a dick thing to say. Sorry boys. Couldn't resist

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:49 am
by jehler
Uh oh, someone's sensitive this morning!

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:52 am
by (MT)Montanafowler
jehler wrote:Uh oh, someone's sensitive this morning!


you know what they say about sensitive people?

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:55 am
by Tomkat
Redbeard wrote:That was a dick thing to say. Sorry boys. Couldn't resist


We all write things on here we would like to take back.

Jesus loves you, and so do I.

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:38 am
by assateague
Redbeard wrote:Hmmm I never knew that. Him and his momma bought it as is from a cabelas bargain bin outta state. Should the gun be off 12" in any given direction though?


For the first 1,000 rounds or so, I would go from 2" off the bullseye to the next shot off the paper, to the next shot 3" low the other side of the bullseye. Pissed me off, and had I not read some of the stuff I did, it would have been in the garbage long ago. Also, certain pellets work FAR better in it than other. Hollow points fly great, but the ones with the BB in the nose fly for shit, even now.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't call it a tack driver by any stretch of the imagination, but it's far more accurate than it was.

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:16 am
by Tomkat
assateague wrote:
Redbeard wrote:Hmmm I never knew that. Him and his momma bought it as is from a cabelas bargain bin outta state. Should the gun be off 12" in any given direction though?


For the first 1,000 rounds or so, I would go from 2" off the bullseye to the next shot off the paper, to the next shot 3" low the other side of the bullseye. Pissed me off, and had I not read some of the stuff I did, it would have been in the garbage long ago. Also, certain pellets work FAR better in it than other. Hollow points fly great, but the ones with the BB in the nose fly for shit, even now.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't call it a tack driver by any stretch of the imagination, but it's far more accurate than it was.


Maybe it was the operator?
If you were a hand loader you would have lots of trigger time.

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:44 am
by assateague
Counting the M-60, I've probably shot about 600,000 rounds. Get back to me in a few years with that "trigger time" business :lol:

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:02 am
by Juice Box
Redbeard wrote:...wanna get Sam a new one for Christmas. Looking at the $150-$200 range. .177 cal. He's got an old Gamo he bought used years ago and its never shot straight. I mean it's OFF. Its been years since I chased rabbits and squirrels with my old RWS. And it wasn't often cause most of the time I had my 22 with me. Can ya guys recommend anything?

I grew up shooting a Diana. Great gun that I put tens of thousands of rounds through and killed all kinds of critters with it. Cabelas has then...check em out


Merica!

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:04 am
by DeadEye_Dan
Try getting some premium pellets.

I was shooting "whatever" and was having issues with consistent groups.

I weighed some individual pellets on my powder scale and found that variances from pellet to pellet of 10-12% was quite frequent.
I switched to RWS Match grade pellets (Meisterkuglens) and weighed them and the variance was virtually zero from pellet to pellet.

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:04 am
by rebelp74
The upside of the benjamins is they are reliable as it gets. I still have the same one I had as a kid. When I got my grandfathers guns, his benjamin was included. It's older than I am and still going strong.

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:10 am
by Juice Box
assateague wrote:Counting the M-60, I've probably shot about 600,000 rounds. Get back to me in a few years with that "trigger time" business :lol:

Shooting an m-60 is on my bucket list! How was it?


Merica!

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:13 am
by assateague
It's a hoot. The claymores are far more fun, but the 60 is great. We often had to go out and shoot, before the ammo "expired", sometimes having tens of thousands of rounds we needed to shoot. Had a cook off once, and rather than crimping the belt, we just kept clipping new belts on to get rid of that shit. We all wanted to head back in. Barrel was somewhere beyond white hot when finished. It looked like it was made out of clay before it cooled back down to orange :lol:

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:50 am
by Tomkat
assateague wrote:Counting the M-60, I've probably shot about 600,000 rounds. Get back to me in a few years with that "trigger time" business :lol:


Some folks are a spray and pray type.



Some of us just need one.

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:03 pm
by jehler
Assa let me know if you need any tips on barrel break in, I'm an expert on the subject

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:38 pm
by Tomkat
jehler wrote:Assa let me know if you need any tips on barrel break in, I'm an expert on the subject


You have mentioned that a few times. Could you start a new thread telling us what we should do?

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:27 pm
by jehler
Tomkat wrote:
jehler wrote:Assa let me know if you need any tips on barrel break in, I'm an expert on the subject


You have mentioned that a few times. Could you start a new thread telling us what we should do?

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
i would share with assa TK but to put that kind if info on the net would be irresponsible, we don't need every looney out there getting sub second of angle accuracy out of their mosin nagants

Re: Air Rifles...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:52 pm
by Tomkat
jehler wrote:
Tomkat wrote:
jehler wrote:Assa let me know if you need any tips on barrel break in, I'm an expert on the subject


You have mentioned that a few times. Could you start a new thread telling us what we should do?

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
i would share with assa TK but to put that kind if info on the net would be irresponsible, we don't need every looney out there getting sub second of angle accuracy out of their mosin nagants


I can't wait to get you pissy drunk and give you that noogy.