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I finally finished my last semester of college this week. Time to find a job in this great job market we have right now

Congrats Broccoli

AKPirate wrote:Congrats Broccoli

x2!

I think the Coast Guard is hiring...

Congrats!!!! That has to feel good to finally be done with it all. I'm just getting started.

Whole lot of folks are going to tell you the best years of your life are over. Make them wrong.

Congrats.

Rick wrote:Whole lot of folks are going to tell you the best years of your life are over. Make them wrong.

x2 on that. It's gotta get better, I hate this damn place.

broccoli wrote:I finally finished my last semester of college this week. Time to find a job in this great job market we have right now

What kind of job are you looking for? Plenty of work here in the Lone Star State if you like oil and drilling mud.

Thanks guys. I'm looking for anything to pay the bills right now. My major is environmental science though

broccoli wrote:Thanks guys. I'm looking for anything to pay the bills right now. My major is environmental science though

Have fun in grad school.

bill herian wrote:

broccoli wrote:Thanks guys. I'm looking for anything to pay the bills right now. My major is environmental science though

Have fun in grad school.

Environmental Science???? As in tree hugging bunny fucker?

Yeah something like that. You could say me and most of my class mates didn't see eye to eye on many issues.

I'll bet there's a pair of green jeans waiting for you somewhere...

RonE wrote:Environmental Science???? As in tree hugging bunny fucker?

Depends where you go. The college of natural resources I attend has grown to fit your description appreciably in the short (4.5 years ) that I have been here.

Some of the majors are still good, though. We turn out 10% of the nations foresters, and the lesson plan includes plenty of "boards and chords" lessons. Trouble is soft sciences are increasingly muddling an otherwise honorable discipline.

bill herian wrote:

RonE wrote:Environmental Science???? As in tree hugging bunny fucker?

Depends where you go. The college of natural resources I attend has grown to fit your description appreciably in the short (4.5 years ) that I have been here.

Some of the majors are still good, though. We turn out 10% of the nations foresters, and the lesson plan includes plenty of "boards and chords" lessons. Trouble is soft sciences are increasingly muddling an otherwise honorable discipline.

Not sure how many tree hugging bunny fuckers there are here, but i would guess not many. the ones here generally keep quiet because elk hunting is the state's sport.

Ron, with an Environmental Science degree, that guy can go make BANGO bucks working for a oil company to assess their ecosystem impact and rehabilitation.

(MT)Montanafowler wrote:

bill herian wrote:

RonE wrote:Environmental Science???? As in tree hugging bunny fucker?

Depends where you go. The college of natural resources I attend has grown to fit your description appreciably in the short (4.5 years ) that I have been here.

Some of the majors are still good, though. We turn out 10% of the nations foresters, and the lesson plan includes plenty of "boards and chords" lessons. Trouble is soft sciences are increasingly muddling an otherwise honorable discipline.

Not sure how many tree hugging bunny fuckers there are here, but i would guess not many. the ones here generally keep quiet because elk hunting is the state's sport.

Ron, with an Environmental Science degree, that guy can go make BANGO bucks working for a oil company to assess their ecosystem impact and rehabilitation.

So they can go make a shit ton of money doing something that is not needed and only exists because of the tree hugging bunny fuckers in our liberal controlled government?

Woody wrote:So they can go make a shit ton of money doing something that is not needed and only exists because of the tree hugging bunny fuckers in our liberal controlled government?

how is it not needed? Environmental impact studies kept ducks around for us to hunt, along with most game animals in general.

as for why it exists, go look at mine tailing rehabilitation. I suspect Oil drilling leads to many similar situations.

I'm all for being able to drill and use resources available to us, if they do it without fingerfucking the whole ecosystem.

(MT)Montanafowler wrote:

Woody wrote:So they can go make a shit ton of money doing something that is not needed and only exists because of the tree hugging bunny fuckers in our liberal controlled government?

how is it not needed? Environmental impact studies kept ducks around for us to hunt, along with most game animals in general.

as for why it exists, go look at mine tailing rehabilitation. I suspect Oil drilling leads to many similar situations.

I'm all for being able to drill and use resources available to us, if they do it without fingerfucking the whole ecosystem.

I didn't say it is not needed anywhere... I was replying to your exact statement.

(MT)Montanafowler wrote: make BANGO bucks working for a oil company to assess their ecosystem impact and rehabilitation.

Do the oil companies offer that position out of free will?

Montanafowler,

In my opinion a position like that is better left to an outside group like DU. I realize the position has merits, but the gov forcing it on a company that doesn't want it, is not a productive use of tax payer money.

(MT)Montanafowler wrote:

Woody wrote:So they can go make a shit ton of money doing something that is not needed and only exists because of the tree hugging bunny fuckers in our liberal controlled government?

how is it not needed? Environmental impact studies kept ducks around for us to hunt, along with most game animals in general.

as for why it exists, go look at mine tailing rehabilitation. I suspect Oil drilling leads to many similar situations.

I'm all for being able to drill and use resources available to us, if they do it without fingerfucking the whole ecosystem.

woa, almost all the work done to benefit waterfowl the most was done in the 1960's and 1970's before all this environmental impact study bullshit came to be law. If that law were passed in 1930, all the federal projects...never would have happened because a spotted mouse or striped snail was found.

Woody wrote:Montanafowler,

In my opinion a position like that is better left to an outside group like DU. I realize the position has merits, but the gov forcing it on a company that doesn't want it, is not a productive use of tax payer money.

i agree to an extent Woody. i think you can't just have one person in a position like that, that may just be OKing everything or rejecting everything. you need several people from different groups using checks and balances to best determine the proper course of action.

that said, it sounds good on paper, but in real life it usually leads to jack shit getting done. I wish that wasn't the case.

i do think that companies in positions like that should choose to have a biologist on board of their own free will, because the company can make a significant impact in the environmental impact of a region. the reason we have legislation like this now though is because of prior behavior by the very same companies that exist today. as for productive use of monies, I would much rather have my tax money going towards protecting or rehabilitating an ecosystem for our continued use and recreation, than having it go into the coffers of the shitbags in congress.

aunt betty wrote:woa, almost all the work done to benefit waterfowl the most was done in the 1960's and 1970's before all this environmental impact study bullshit came to be law. If that law were passed in 1930, all the federal projects...never would have happened because a spotted mouse or striped snail was found.

Betty, i'm not talking the extreme end of things at all. We have to have a realistic balance in place between the needs of people and management of ecosystems. i would also say that the legislation that occurred at the end of the market hunting era was part of an environmental impact study, because people realized that we needed to quantify our impact on wildfowl.

(MT)Montanafowler wrote:

Woody wrote:Montanafowler,

In my opinion a position like that is better left to an outside group like DU. I realize the position has merits, but the gov forcing it on a company that doesn't want it, is not a productive use of tax payer money.

i agree to an extent Woody. i think you can't just have one person in a position like that, that may just be OKing everything or rejecting everything. you need several people from different groups using checks and balances to best determine the proper course of action.

that said, it sounds good on paper, but in real life it usually leads to jack shit getting done. I wish that wasn't the case.

i do think that companies in positions like that should choose to have a biologist on board of their own free will, because the company can make a significant impact in the environmental impact of a region. the reason we have legislation like this now though is because of prior behavior by the very same companies that exist today. as for productive use of monies, I would much rather have my tax money going towards protecting or rehabilitating an ecosystem for our continued use and recreation, than having it go into the coffers of the shitbags in congress.

i do think... I would much rather...

I think you missed something or maybe you should research how true capitalism works to curtail the unwanted actions of corporations...

You have fallen for the same trick as every other person who wants government control over a certain item...
Fear mongering...

should choose to have a biologist

If they don't it is your and everyone else's duty to see that you reprimand them with your pocket book. It is not your duty to elect some official to enact some law that will institute some other bureaucratic agency that forces the company to do what you want.

the reason we have legislation like this now though is because of prior behavior by the very same companies that exist today

See my last comment^^

I don't mean this as an insult, but to make you think:
You are trying to spread the wealth no different than a welfare recipient... you have merely justified it to yourself.

Woody wrote:

I think you missed something or maybe you should research how true capitalism works to curtail the unwanted actions of corporations...

You have fallen for the same trick as every other person who wants government control over a certain item...
Fear mongering...

should choose to have a biologist

If they don't it is your and everyone else's duty to see that you reprimand them with your pocket book. It is not your duty to elect some official to enact some law that will institute some other bureaucratic agency that forces the company to do what you want.

the reason we have legislation like this now though is because of prior behavior by the very same companies that exist today

See my last comment^^

I don't mean this as an insult, but to make you think:
You are trying to spread the wealth no different than a welfare recipient... you have merely justified it to yourself.

I never said I agree with govt. control over it, it's just the system that has been in place since before you or I were born and I doubt you're going to see a change in it anytime soon.

Do you think it's possible to control big oil with your checkbook? if so i would love to see the horse you're riding to work every day, or how much glass and metal you use instead of plastic. it appears to me that we're waaaaaay beyond killing an oil company with capitalism. How would you propose we control those companies? my statement about legislation has to do with what those companies have done in the past in terms of environmental damage, not wealth. Any resource company is held to very strict standards because in the past they destroyed areas, plain and simple. Granted, at the time it was not a well known issue. I don't follow your "spread the wealth" statement, care to explain? This isn't giving money to the lazy, this is just keeping those companies from running rampant and fucking up entire watersheds and ecosystems.

"spread the wealth" statement, care to explain?

You want the tax payer money to be spent on environmental issues, john smith does not... you want the government to forcefully take John's money and use it as you see fit.

Do you think it's possible to control big oil with your checkbook?

On my own, no.
as a group in the economy we have now, no.
in a purely capitalistic society, as a group, yes.

I never said I agree with govt. control over it, it's just the system that has been in place since before you or I were born and I doubt you're going to see a change in it anytime soon.

That is the exact attitude that has us where we are today.

it appears to me that we're waaaaaay beyond killing an oil company with capitalism. How would you propose we control those companies?

If you think we operate in a free market right now... you are crazy.