Dr. Oc wrote:I recently purchased 2 cases of Boss bismuth duck loads in #4 & #5's. I've hunted ducks for over 45 years and never had the disappointment that I've had with their reliabilty. They knock the heck out a duck, I'll give them that, but I have shot less than 2 boxes of shells so far and have experienced 4 misfires in 2 hunts! I have only had 2 misfires previously in thousands of shells over the years. The 4 misfires happened in both my Browning Maxus and my Remington 11-87. I reached out to the company and they blamed my guns or lack of cleaning to cause short strikes and therefore failure to fire. I assured them that was not the case as the guns are well cared for and have fired every other shell I've shot through them this season without problems. I even sent a picture of a well indented primer. They claim that they have not had any other reports of this problem. That may be true if no one has reported it to them, but I know another hunting partner of mine has had 2 misfires so I know it is not an isolated incident. Has anyone else on this site had problems with these shells? I'd like to know if somehow I got the only bad batch of primers/shells?
Darren wrote:Have gone through 3 cases of BOSS in the last 3 seasons now with good results. Have not experienced a misfire BUT did have a poor crimp on two shells in my first case couple years back, none since.
I like the #3/5 mix shells at 2 3/4", can do just about anything I'd want with those. As Rick noted, I have seen a few instances of fracture within the bird a season or two back as well, didn't notice any this year. Listened to Ramsey Russel's recent podcast with the BOSS crew, really impressed by their approach to ballistics, getting more out of smaller bore loads such that it's started a trend of people going down to 20 and even 28 gauges with their loads in hand.
5 stand wrote:Darren wrote:Have gone through 3 cases of BOSS in the last 3 seasons now with good results. Have not experienced a misfire BUT did have a poor crimp on two shells in my first case couple years back, none since.
I like the #3/5 mix shells at 2 3/4", can do just about anything I'd want with those. As Rick noted, I have seen a few instances of fracture within the bird a season or two back as well, didn't notice any this year. Listened to Ramsey Russel's recent podcast with the BOSS crew, really impressed by their approach to ballistics, getting more out of smaller bore loads such that it's started a trend of people going down to 20 and even 28 gauges with their loads in hand.
A few years ago (your blind was chipping a lot of birds and you were aggravated) we had a discussion about bismuth and have often wondered if you ever tried it... You may have mentioned that you were using it and I didn't catch it... Glad you tried it and have some confidence in it (confidence kills birds)...
Darren wrote:5 stand wrote:Darren wrote:Have gone through 3 cases of BOSS in the last 3 seasons now with good results. Have not experienced a misfire BUT did have a poor crimp on two shells in my first case couple years back, none since.
I like the #3/5 mix shells at 2 3/4", can do just about anything I'd want with those. As Rick noted, I have seen a few instances of fracture within the bird a season or two back as well, didn't notice any this year. Listened to Ramsey Russel's recent podcast with the BOSS crew, really impressed by their approach to ballistics, getting more out of smaller bore loads such that it's started a trend of people going down to 20 and even 28 gauges with their loads in hand.
A few years ago (your blind was chipping a lot of birds and you were aggravated) we had a discussion about bismuth and have often wondered if you ever tried it... You may have mentioned that you were using it and I didn't catch it... Glad you tried it and have some confidence in it (confidence kills birds)...
Indeed the frustration was with looong off crip grays in the marsh that were hit....fly 300 yards, then fall dead as a hammer out of the sky. Crooked barrels still cost me some blind time in out in marsh working the dog, but I would say it has certainly been considerably reduced.
Even if one is not interested in paying the premium price (though, everything else's price point is catching up), the podcast episode is a good listen if you're interested in shotgun ballistics, patterning, etc.
Ricky Spanish wrote:Look at the stats on most posts.
Assateague.
He won't rejoin but he'd tell about how he kills everything (including Emus) with a 410 he loads with...
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Darren wrote:5 stand wrote:Darren wrote:Have gone through 3 cases of BOSS in the last 3 seasons now with good results. Have not experienced a misfire BUT did have a poor crimp on two shells in my first case couple years back, none since.
I like the #3/5 mix shells at 2 3/4", can do just about anything I'd want with those. As Rick noted, I have seen a few instances of fracture within the bird a season or two back as well, didn't notice any this year. Listened to Ramsey Russel's recent podcast with the BOSS crew, really impressed by their approach to ballistics, getting more out of smaller bore loads such that it's started a trend of people going down to 20 and even 28 gauges with their loads in hand.
A few years ago (your blind was chipping a lot of birds and you were aggravated) we had a discussion about bismuth and have often wondered if you ever tried it... You may have mentioned that you were using it and I didn't catch it... Glad you tried it and have some confidence in it (confidence kills birds)...
Indeed the frustration was with looong off crip grays in the marsh that were hit....fly 300 yards, then fall dead as a hammer out of the sky. Crooked barrels still cost me some blind time in out in marsh working the dog, but I would say it has certainly been considerably reduced.
Even if one is not interested in paying the premium price (though, everything else's price point is catching up), the podcast episode is a good listen if you're interested in shotgun ballistics, patterning, etc.
Ducaholic wrote:I have said this many time at 20 yards everything works. At 35 and beyond very few work really well in the hands of an amateur shot gunner. With all that said I shoot ok and will pay a reasonable price for a better than average shell because I know it gives me a better than average chance at 35 yards when compared to the the guy shooting the cheap stuff.
Rick wrote:Ducaholic wrote:I have said this many time at 20 yards everything works. At 35 and beyond very few work really well in the hands of an amateur shot gunner. With all that said I shoot ok and will pay a reasonable price for a better than average shell because I know it gives me a better than average chance at 35 yards when compared to the the guy shooting the cheap stuff.
Put me in mind of the Lacassine National Wildlife Refuge steel vs lead study's find that it's participants actually did a little better beyond 35 (yards or meters?) with early steel loads than ballistically superior lead.
Rick wrote:Ducaholic wrote:I have said this many time at 20 yards everything works. At 35 and beyond very few work really well in the hands of an amateur shot gunner. With all that said I shoot ok and will pay a reasonable price for a better than average shell because I know it gives me a better than average chance at 35 yards when compared to the the guy shooting the cheap stuff.
Put me in mind of the Lacassine National Wildlife Refuge steel vs lead study's find that it's participants actually did a little better beyond 35 (yards or meters?) with early steel loads than ballistically superior lead.
5 stand wrote:Rick wrote:Ducaholic wrote:I have said this many time at 20 yards everything works. At 35 and beyond very few work really well in the hands of an amateur shot gunner. With all that said I shoot ok and will pay a reasonable price for a better than average shell because I know it gives me a better than average chance at 35 yards when compared to the the guy shooting the cheap stuff.
Put me in mind of the Lacassine National Wildlife Refuge steel vs lead study's find that it's participants actually did a little better beyond 35 (yards or meters?) with early steel loads than ballistically superior lead.
A little better... Is probably true, beyond 35 for the average guy is pretty much spray and pray...
I see it on the sporting Clay courses all the time... Especially when you get a score sheet involved...
5 stand wrote:A little better... Is probably true, beyond 35 for the average guy is pretty much spray and pray...
Ricky Spanish wrote:5 stand wrote:Rick wrote:Ducaholic wrote:I have said this many time at 20 yards everything works. At 35 and beyond very few work really well in the hands of an amateur shot gunner. With all that said I shoot ok and will pay a reasonable price for a better than average shell because I know it gives me a better than average chance at 35 yards when compared to the the guy shooting the cheap stuff.
Put me in mind of the Lacassine National Wildlife Refuge steel vs lead study's find that it's participants actually did a little better beyond 35 (yards or meters?) with early steel loads than ballistically superior lead.
A little better... Is probably true, beyond 35 for the average guy is pretty much spray and pray...
I see it on the sporting Clay courses all the time... Especially when you get a score sheet involved...
Ever miss twice on same bird then drop bird on third?
By the time you miss twice it's way out there.
5 stand wrote:Ricky Spanish wrote:5 stand wrote:Rick wrote:Ducaholic wrote:I have said this many time at 20 yards everything works. At 35 and beyond very few work really well in the hands of an amateur shot gunner. With all that said I shoot ok and will pay a reasonable price for a better than average shell because I know it gives me a better than average chance at 35 yards when compared to the the guy shooting the cheap stuff.
Put me in mind of the Lacassine National Wildlife Refuge steel vs lead study's find that it's participants actually did a little better beyond 35 (yards or meters?) with early steel loads than ballistically superior lead.
A little better... Is probably true, beyond 35 for the average guy is pretty much spray and pray...
I see it on the sporting Clay courses all the time... Especially when you get a score sheet involved...
Ever miss twice on same bird then drop bird on third?
By the time you miss twice it's way out there.
Yes sir I miss twice on the same bird several times a year and kill it with a third... I have a tendency to put sporting Clay leads on them, I always have to shoot at live birds (at least that's what I think in my mind)...
Most of the time after you shoot twice they're going away birds, you can shoot real close to at them, not 24 ft... That's why I spray and pray works, sometimes...
24 ft reminded me of a buddy of mine that I used to shoot sporting Clays with... He told me one time it takes a lot of lead give it a bus, I asked him if it was a Volkswagen bus or a school bus...
Ducaholic wrote:You wouldn't have found many anywhere that would have believed or traded early steel for lead.
Rick wrote:Ducaholic wrote:You wouldn't have found many anywhere that would have believed or traded early steel for lead.
Yet many were anxious to parrot the fact that steel performed better under 35 without having read, much less questioned, how the nature of that blind study may have influenced that outcome through the participants' predilection for tight chokes. Something those in the know are apt eschew for steel at ranges inside 35.
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