Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

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Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby Tgomez82 » Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:32 pm

I am fairly new to duck hunting just got myself a new shotgun and our season starts tomorrow, I have shot federal blue box in the past but really want to dedicate myself to water fowling this year and am wondering if the more expensive upper end loads are worth the money or am I better off saving my money to spend it on decoys and calls and such..??
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Re: Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby DeadEye_Dan » Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:57 am

Calls, decoys, waders, etc, it seems like the list never ends.
Money and Time spent busting clays is a 1000x better investment than gimmicky shells any day.
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Re: Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby Tgomez82 » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:07 am

Thanks Dan! Now I know patterning my shotgun is the only way I'm gonna know which load it prefers but do you have any recommendation on where to start maybe a brand that has patterned well with various shotguns? Ive always been partial to federal ammunition but have heard of many hunters around here using kent loads.
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Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby DeadEye_Dan » Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:36 am

I'm no help there.
I've never fired my bird guns at paper to check the pattern, and I generally shoot whatever is on sale.
The inside of my shell box looks like someone dumped a bag of skittles - red, gray, green, tan, blue...you're liable to find 3-4 different brands in there at any given time.

Kent is a good place to start, but I shoot way too much to choke down $15 a box all the time
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Re: Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby Tgomez82 » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:49 am

Ok, well that actually is pretty helpful if I can have success with multiple loads I won't ever run into the "they don't have my stuff" issue thanks again for the help
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Re: Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby Tgomez82 » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:50 am

Now that I have you on, how about chokes.?? My Benelli came with the 3 factory chokes but I've also kicked around going aftermarket any thoughts?..
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Postby Weston81 » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:00 am

Until you pattern your gun with your chokes with different loads I wouldn't spend money on expensive loads or aftermarket chokes. My sbe patterned Winchester experts better than hevi metal or black cloud. The pattern percentages out of my factory benellli choke exceeded the recommended percentages. Why spend money on what you think is and improvement but don't know where your baseline is. Spend 80 bucks and pattern your gun with different loads and you may find a great combo of choke and load.
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Re: Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby Tgomez82 » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:27 am

Looks like I'm hitting Sportsmans for a buffet of 3" #2's for my Benelli gonna be a fun day tomorrow
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Postby Weston81 » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:29 am

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: let us know the results.
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Postby Tgomez82 » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:35 am

I sure will !! Thank for all the help and input fellas! It is much appreciated
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Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby DeadEye_Dan » Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:29 am

I bought an SBE from a guy once and he had a whole set of Briley X2 chokes he put with the gun.
I shoot mod and light mod Briley's in my two SBE's, for the simple fact it's easier to check and make sure the choke is staying tight with an extended choke.
I have no idea how they "pattern" but they seem to kill ok.
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Postby Steele22 » Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:43 am

Tgomez82 wrote:I sure will !! Thank for all the help and input fellas! It is much appreciated

I've shot the hevi shot chokes outta my sbe2 and super Vinci and they do great. They come in a 2 pack at macks prairie wings for 99 bucks. Mr and er mid and extended range. As far as shells of course they like their own hevi shot but I found mine did better with 3-1/2 in 2 shot Winchester super X xpert. Macks and Rogers are the only 2 places I found those shells but they do good for cheaper
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Re: Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby Tgomez82 » Sat Oct 17, 2015 3:36 pm

The local shop I go to swear by the briley chokes so that was one option I was looking at and the second was either the black cloud or blind side dedicated chokes, I am going to pattern with the stock chokes to see how the do and go from there I think, if they will give me tighter patterns then I don't mind spending the extra money for them
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Postby Throbbin Rods » Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:32 am

Personally I don't think so. Few years ago my buddy and I bought some Hevi-Shot. I have never had problems killing birds but we tried it. First 5 shots, 5 ducks knocked down, all 5 got up and flew away with follow up shots ineffective. rich was laughing as I was cussing, took the rest of the box and threw them in the river, told him they would kill as many ducks that way as in the gun. I use plain old steel shot, but try to get stuff with some speed. I use T for geese and #2 for ducks. I don't go broke buying high tech ammo and kill as many birds as the guys I hunt with who do use it.
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Postby team216 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:49 pm

I also had about the same results that throbbin did. For years I've been shooting winchester, no issues as long as I hit the bird. Early season this year my brother had a box of blind side so I through in a 1 shell followed by my two winchesters. Flock came in. Boom! Knocks the bird to the water. I go to switch to my next bird and the thing gets up to start flying again. When I shoot the goose it looked like someone had punched it back to next week. And would have been awesome looking on film. So I'm just going to stick to simple round bb's. But i also like pecan pie. You might only like apple pie. Doesn't mean either aren't good, it's just what we like
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Postby Rick » Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:10 pm

Throbbin Rods wrote:Few years ago my buddy and I bought some Hevi-Shot.


I shoot the vast majority of my ducks and more than a few geese with a 20ga and got it in my head that Hevi-Shot 4s might be better for mixed bags, so I bought a case (ten little boxes/100 rounds) and vowed to use them all before deciding if they were worth the premium. Killed a lot of birds with them, but my close range chips and misses went through the roof, and I was flat relieved when I finally used them up and got to go back to plain steel. Might have been different if I'd run them through a skeet choke that opened the pattern more than the IC I shoot, but my wallet's glad the experiment went as it did.
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Re: Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby Tgomez82 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:53 pm

Thank you fellas for all of your input it sounds like I'll be buying aome plain jane #2's to be doing my patterning I'm a cherry pie kind of guy myself ! :scooter: I really do appreciate you guys all taking the time to put in your 2 pennies a buddy of mine just about had me talked into buying that double priced fancy box steel you fellas helped me dodge one there!
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Re: Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby Bing » Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:44 pm

I've heard s from a few different sources that the blindside loads will actually tear your barrel up over time. That being said, I won't try it with my gun.
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Re: Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby aunt betty » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:21 pm

If I use ammo that costs 4 times what I normally use I think 4 times as long before I shoot and miss 4 times as much because I sucked 4 times as much because of all that extra thought involved.
Use the cheap stuff, don't hesitate to shoot all three times,
4 for you ghost-shell carrier guys :clap: ,
and kill more ducks.
That is all.
I've heard that it's incredibly stupid to **** around with a crazy man's head.
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Postby DukMan » Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:15 pm

I bought a bunch of blindside that was on clearance at midway usa... too bad i didn't shoot a few boxes before i bought 4 cases... its junk! I did much better with Kent faststeel. I will shoot up what i got in 5 years and never buy it again...


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Re: Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby jduck » Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:34 pm

The older black cloud can be had for $10 box after rebate
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Re: Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby aunt betty » Fri Sep 22, 2017 12:48 pm

No.

If you use the money you save on the pricey gun and pricey shells and spend it on shooting some paper to pattern your gun...Then clay targets with target loads. (maybe a thrower)
Shoot a lot from different angles you'll get wayyyy better at hitting ducks. Get the missing out of your system at the range.
Once you can shoot well it don't matter what you're shootin'. It gets instinctive.

D'oh...sucked back into an old thread. lol
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Re: Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby johnc » Fri Sep 22, 2017 1:24 pm

My opinions of which you can take with grain of salt as I am not one of the many experts on such sites such as Speck Warehouse

1---Takes a skilled shot to consistently hit beyond 40-45 yard mark,no magic bullets are gonna fix that
2---If one wants to shoot that far---use pellets big enough to retain the necessary down range energy to effectively kill game that far
3--Spend the extra money on a good aftermarket choke designed to hold together pattern wise at that range
patternmaster,Kick's highflyer,briley,carlson,trulock etc... my favorite is the terror line by surecycle BUT I don't think they are made anymore----.700 or .675
4---take the time to pattern several types of conventional loads to see what patterns best out of your gun---no gun is the same AND the factory chokes may just work well
5---realize that the slower heavier loads sometimes pattern better----hypersonic and super fast loads are a gimmick---faster out the gate but slow down to the same as the slower heavier load after 40 yards anyway
6---position yourself if possible to take high percentage shots---like directly over head----narrow angle going away, or really anything going away is low percentage
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Re: Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby Rick » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:39 pm

See the tongue, shoot the tongue.
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Re: Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby Darren » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:20 pm

I like Hevi-Shot's motto they've been pushing........"I didn't come this far to miss"......soo their shells somehow help you shoot better and aim more accurately?

I shoot blind side when it's free, but have killed hell out of ducks with Federal blue box and red box, Winchester Xpert, etc. without issues of cycling or misfires. Kent has been fine as well. If you hunt a lot, spending $15-$18 on a box of 3" shells is pretty nuts
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Re: Is Blind Side and Black Cloud worth the extra $$??

Postby aunt betty » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:26 pm

Waiting until you can see their eyeballs before you shoot will increase your percentage way more than any extended range gimmicks.
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