Too much recoil?

[rebel]

If you find yourself with your daughter or your sun saying... dad/mom that kicked to hard. Or notice the signs of flinching then do your best to find a lighter recoiling shell. My daughter, 9, recently started hunting. I noticed when shooting her 20 gauge with regular 3" loads that she was flinching and pulling off target causing her to miss, which in turn frustrated her. I turned to Hevi Shot Classic Doubles, started with some 2 3/4" loads and noticeably better, tried a box of 3" and still just fine. She started hitting her targets and not flinching. Add in the hard hitting of the hevi shot pellets and its a win...win...win.

[NuffDaddy]

its a win...win...win.

Until you look in your wallet...

[The Duck Hammer]

its a win...win...win.

Until you look in your wallet...

That's a damn fact! Hevi Metal cost enough.


Sent from my Vox Mortem

[NuffDaddy]

its a win...win...win.

Until you look in your wallet...

That's a damn fact! Hevi Metal cost enough.


Sent from my Vox Mortem

I've never even look at the price in hevi shot. I can buy 2 boxes of kent for what 1 box of hevi metal costs.

[The Duck Hammer]

its a win...win...win.

Until you look in your wallet...

That's a damn fact! Hevi Metal cost enough.


Sent from my Vox Mortem

I've never even look at the price in hevi shot. I can buy 2 boxes of kent for what 1 box of hevi metal costs.

Its scary. Some of their 10 ga ammo cost almost as much as my gun.

[NuffDaddy]

its a win...win...win.

Until you look in your wallet...

That's a damn fact! Hevi Metal cost enough.


Sent from my Vox Mortem

I've never even look at the price in hevi shot. I can buy 2 boxes of kent for what 1 box of hevi metal costs.

Its scary. Some of their 10 ga ammo cost almost as much as my gun.

Haha. But it's soooooo much better.

[The Duck Hammer]

At $5-10 a shot they better guarantee triples...

[NuffDaddy]

At $5-10 a shot they better guarantee triples...

I'm thinkin they better take down the whole flock.

[jehler]

Hevi shot for kids is a great value if the kids have some time shooting clays and can hit. Steel is a huge handicap in the 20, it will kill em don't get me wrong but you have to be spot on. The hevi can make a 20 well outperform a 12 shooting steel

[NuffDaddy]

Hevi shot for kids is a great value if the kids have some time shooting clays and can hit. Steel is a huge handicap in the 20, it will kill em don't get me wrong but you have to be spot on. The hevi can make a 20 well outperform a 12 shooting steel

I'm not saying it isn't better. But I'm not goona pay more for a shell than I do a decoy. But like you said...if it helps a kid kill ducks, then it's worth the investment.

[rebelp74]

Hevi shot for kids is a great value if the kids have some time shooting clays and can hit. Steel is a huge handicap in the 20, it will kill em don't get me wrong but you have to be spot on. The hevi can make a 20 well outperform a 12 shooting steel

^this

[rebelp74]

Hevi shot for kids is a great value if the kids have some time shooting clays and can hit. Steel is a huge handicap in the 20, it will kill em don't get me wrong but you have to be spot on. The hevi can make a 20 well outperform a 12 shooting steel

^this

[Flightstopper]

Hevi shot for kids is a great value if the kids have some time shooting clays and can hit. Steel is a huge handicap in the 20, it will kill em don't get me wrong but you have to be spot on. The hevi can make a 20 well outperform a 12 shooting steel

^this

Tell me again, what?

[rebelp74]

Hevi shot for kids is a great value if the kids have some time shooting clays and can hit. Steel is a huge handicap in the 20, it will kill em don't get me wrong but you have to be spot on. The hevi can make a 20 well outperform a 12 shooting steel

^this

Tell me again, what?

fag

[Flightstopper]

Hevi shot for kids is a great value if the kids have some time shooting clays and can hit. Steel is a huge handicap in the 20, it will kill em don't get me wrong but you have to be spot on. The hevi can make a 20 well outperform a 12 shooting steel

^this

Tell me again, what?

fag

[3legged_lab]

I'll trade you my kid for some hevi shot

[The Duck Hammer]

Hevi shot for kids is a great value if the kids have some time shooting clays and can hit. Steel is a huge handicap in the 20, it will kill em don't get me wrong but you have to be spot on. The hevi can make a 20 well outperform a 12 shooting steel

^this

Tell me again, what?

fag

Redbearded

[jehler]

I'll trade you my kid for some hevi shot

you got a daughter old enough to go to the store?

[3legged_lab]

I'll trade you my kid for some hevi shot

you got a daughter old enough to go to the store?

No. The only girl is 3 - btw that is old enough to know she IS the princess.

[jehler]

I'll trade you my kid for some hevi shot

you got a daughter old enough to go to the store?

No. The only girl is 3 - btw that is old enough to know she IS the princess.

lol, 1 out of 5, princess or not she's gonna be tough and wise to the ways of boys!

[3legged_lab]

I'll trade you my kid for some hevi shot

you got a daughter old enough to go to the store?

No. The only girl is 3 - btw that is old enough to know she IS the princess.

lol, 1 out of 5, princess or not she's gonna be tough and wise to the ways of boys!

And with 4 older brothers I figure I'll never have to go to jail for beating up an under age boy. Haha

[Rick]

Steel is a huge handicap in the 20...l

Fiddlesticks. Put the birds over the decoys, and there'll be no discernible difference.

[jehler]

Steel is a huge handicap in the 20...l

Fiddlesticks. Put the birds over the decoys, and there'll be no discernible difference.

the perfect mallard coming 12 I clock into the blocks all perfect sure, but crossing shots and faster birds not so much, if your a good shot its one thing, if your not that bigger pattern of the twelve will knock down more birds

[Rick]

I thought the discussion was steel vs Hevishot in a 20. But I might argue much the same for 12 vs 20 "over the decoys," regardless of the bird in question "over the decoys". Lots of variables there, though.

[jehler]

I thought the discussion was steel vs Hevishot in a 20. But I might argue much the same for 12 vs 20 "over the decoys," regardless of the bird in question "over the decoys". Lots of variables there, though.

yeah, it was you're right. Jr was shooting a 1 1/4 ounce of hevi 6 through his twenty, gave him like 300 pellets compared to 118 or so of steel 3's (I'm guessing at pellet numbers) that's a fair shake if advantage if your choked properly

[Rick]

I thought the discussion was steel vs Hevishot in a 20. But I might argue much the same for 12 vs 20 "over the decoys," regardless of the bird in question "over the decoys". Lots of variables there, though.

yeah, it was you're right. Jr was shooting a 1 1/4 ounce of hevi 6 through his twenty, gave him like 300 pellets compared to 118 or so of steel 3's (I'm guessing at pellet numbers) that's a fair shake if advantage if your choked properly

But if he were shooting 1 1/4oz of steel 6s, he'd have even more pellets which would be just as effective at "over the decoys" range.

(Fwiw, I once took a fit of 20ga alternative non-tox shot testing, and when Hevi-shot was the subject, I shot nothing but 3" 4s for 100 rounds and couldn't wait to get back to 3" 4 steel, because I was missing or just chipping so many more birds at the ranges O normally shoot than I was accustomed to with steel. Presumably do to tighter patterns through the same IC choke. Kent Tungsten Matrix was my favorite premium non-tox, but not remotely worth the price premium to me.)

[jehler]

I thought the discussion was steel vs Hevishot in a 20. But I might argue much the same for 12 vs 20 "over the decoys," regardless of the bird in question "over the decoys". Lots of variables there, though.

yeah, it was you're right. Jr was shooting a 1 1/4 ounce of hevi 6 through his twenty, gave him like 300 pellets compared to 118 or so of steel 3's (I'm guessing at pellet numbers) that's a fair shake if advantage if your choked properly

But if he were shooting 1 1/4oz of steel 6s, he'd have even more pellets which would be just as effective at "over the decoys" range.

(Fwiw, I once took a fit of 20ga alternative non-tox shot testing, and when Hevi-shot was the subject, I shot nothing but 3" 4s for 100 rounds and couldn't wait to get back to 3" 4 steel, because I was missing or just chipping so many more birds at the ranges O normally shoot than I was accustomed to with steel. Presumably do to tighter patterns through the same IC choke. Kent Tungsten Matrix was my favorite premium non-tox, but not remotely worth the price premium to me.)

to a guy with your experience and the area you hunt i don't see any value in the hevi stuff Rick, but, for the guys, gals or kids that are an ok shot and deal with more sudden and passing shots it can be a real help. i was blown away at the Marsh in LA, I swear the world is bigger down there, seems you can watch the birds come in forever. when we hunt puddlers here, specially the woody's and teal we hunt little holes were they surprise you from behind a knoll or tree line. when you tried the 3" 4's that was a terrible load for ducks, only having 150ish pellets(less than a 7/8 ounce of steel 4's), that load of hevi 4's will kill a large canada out to 60 yards if you put the pattern on it, the hevi shines with small guages because you can use so much smaller pellets and still have the energy. your example of 1 1/4 of steel 6's doesnt work in the 20 as to get any kind of velocity at all you're limited to 7/8 ounce of shot before you physically run out of room in the hull. below is a chart, i ran the numbers on a 7/8 load of fast steel 4's (jrs most productive killer) as well as 1 1/4 of hevi 7.5's (effective but hell on your teeth) and 1 1/4 hevi 6's. note the energy and gel penetration, the stuff is quite amazing. another factor is choking. don't know what you were using when you tried the hevi but the stuff patterns a LOT tighter than steel or lead, a cylinder or lm for goose is what we used for jr, with the 7.5's we used a spreader insert that made for quite an impressive 48" pattern at 20 yards

[Rick]

I think you're fooling yourself with regard to close work, but if it boosts Jr. and your confidence, it's a good thing. Drive on.

Or should that be "rodeo on"?

[NuffDaddy]

Hey jehler...what program do you use for that?

[jehler]

I think you're fooling yourself with regard to close work, but if it boosts Jr. and your confidence, it's a good thing. Drive on.

Or should that be "rodeo on"?

jr hasn't used much hevi in the last three years, he's a crack shot anymore. And as far as close work, no need for the hevi inside of 20 really, it doesn't open up without a spreader and then its useless further out. those were the confidence boosters when he was ten