Piebald speck?

Piebald speck?

Postby 3legged_lab » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:27 pm

I've had this pic in my phone for a while and can't remember if I've posted it here yet. Thought boot and gadwall would like it. A guy I hunt with shot this speck in a spot I've hunted many, many times - I've never seen anything like it there.
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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby Goldfish » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:30 pm

Digital snow camo. Birds are evolving

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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby Bootlipkiller » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:35 pm

That's I'd very interesting. I've never seen anything like that ether! Very cool thanks for sharing.
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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby assateague » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:36 pm

5th generation snow/speck cross. You can tell it's not a 4th generation because there is no white on the primaries.
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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby FlintRiverFowler » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:42 pm

assateague wrote:5th generation snow/speck cross. You can tell it's not a 4th generation because there is no white on the primaries.

I can't tell if you're very knowledgeable or very funny right now.


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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby Bootlipkiller » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:43 pm

FlintRiverFowler wrote:
assateague wrote:5th generation snow/speck cross. You can tell it's not a 4th generation because there is no white on the primaries.

I can't tell if you're very knowledgeable or very funny right now.


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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby Redbeard » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:44 pm

assateague wrote:5th generation snow/speck cross. You can tell it's not a 4th generation because there is no white on the primaries.
always gotta be a smart ass huh
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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby Bootlipkiller » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:46 pm

Redbeard wrote:
assateague wrote:5th generation snow/speck cross. You can tell it's not a 4th generation because there is no white on the primaries.
always gotta be a smart ass huh

Can't blame him. You can say anything with certainty no matter how bullshit it is as someone will buy it.:)
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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby DeadEye_Dan » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:51 pm

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Redbeard wrote:
assateague wrote:5th generation snow/speck cross. You can tell it's not a 4th generation because there is no white on the primaries.
always gotta be a smart ass huh

Can't blame him. You can say anything with certainty no matter how bullshit it is as someone will buy it.:)


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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby 3legged_lab » Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:54 pm

FlintRiverFowler wrote:
assateague wrote:5th generation snow/speck cross. You can tell it's not a 4th generation because there is no white on the primaries.

I can't tell if you're very knowledgeable or very funny right now.


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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby assateague » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:10 pm

No, I'm serious this time. When I got into snow geese big time many moons ago, I read a lot. There was a study done on Southampton Island in Hudson Bay where they breed and nest by three ornithological biologists from Nunavut, paid for by the University of Calgary. They were interested in the cross-breeding among species, since it seems to be far more common in snows than any other species of goose. They found that it was possible to track the genetic lineage, as long as one of the mating pair was a pure snow goose (they tried to track hybrid to hybrid matings with DNA testing, but found that the markers were too similar to give any sort of statistically significant result). The dominant gene through the first three breedings was always that of the snow, although they had no idea why. At the onset of the fourth generation, it "flipped" the opposite way, with snow goose genes taking the recessive role. They found that only the primaries and upper tail coverts remained white. Going into the next generation, the outbreeder took over all but the scapular and some spinal feathering, but even that was mixed. They found no 5th generation hybrids which maintained any "pure" snow characteristics. Thus, what you've got is a fifth generation snow-speck cross, the great-great-great-great-grandson of a snow who was raped by a speck.
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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby The Duck Hammer » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:16 pm

assateague wrote:No, I'm serious this time. When I got into snow geese big time many moons ago, I read a lot. There was a study done on Southampton Island in Hudson Bay where they breed and nest by three ornithological biologists from Nunavut, paid for by the University of Calgary. They were interested in the cross-breeding among species, since it seems to be far more common in snows than any other species of goose. They found that it was possible to track the genetic lineage, as long as one of the mating pair was a pure snow goose (they tried to track hybrid to hybrid matings with DNA testing, but found that the markers were too similar to give any sort of statistically significant result). The dominant gene through the first three breedings was always that of the snow, although they had no idea why. At the onset of the fourth generation, it "flipped" the opposite way, with snow goose genes taking the recessive role. They found that only the primaries and upper tail coverts remained white. Going into the next generation, the outbreeder took over all but the scapular and some spinal feathering, but even that was mixed. They found no 5th generation hybrids which maintained any "pure" snow characteristics. Thus, what you've got is a fifth generation snow-speck cross, the great-great-great-great-grandson of a snow who was raped by a speck.

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Re: Piebald speck?

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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby assateague » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:25 pm

But yes, I am talking out of my ass. I just had to throw up a link to give you a moment's pause.
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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby The Duck Hammer » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:29 pm

assateague wrote:But yes, I am talking out of my ass. I just had to throw up a link to give you a moment's pause.

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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby Redbeard » Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:17 am

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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby jehler » Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:09 am

I didn't believe him for a second, but you can bet your ass I'm using that material the next duck I'd thread that I beat him to
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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby assateague » Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:06 am

I would have been disappointed if anybody but Dale had believed it. It's not the initial belief, it's the convincing after the fact that's fun. Just didn't have enough energy last night. I blame the Taco Bell. And the Robertsons.
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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby Westie25 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:18 am

But all in all a neat bird. I've learned to never believe shit AT says. He tried to get me to drink mustard for some remedy once. He's a sly bastard.
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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby 3legged_lab » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:48 am

assateague wrote:I would have been disappointed if anybody but Dale had believed it. It's not the initial belief, it's the convincing after the fact that's fun. Just didn't have enough energy last night. I blame the Taco Bell. And the Robertsons.

Nice work though, I bet you could sell cars like a mofo.
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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby NuffDaddy » Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:27 pm

Westie25 wrote:But all in all a neat bird. I've learned to never believe shit AT says. He tried to get me to drink mustard for some remedy once. He's a sly bastard.

He tried to get me to piss on my dog...


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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby 3legged_lab » Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:29 pm

NuffDaddy wrote:
Westie25 wrote:But all in all a neat bird. I've learned to never believe shit AT says. He tried to get me to drink mustard for some remedy once. He's a sly bastard.

He tried to get me to piss on my dog...


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Didn't he try to convince someone to piss on their iPhone too?
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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby DC727 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:07 pm

assateague wrote:I would have been disappointed if anybody but Dale had believed it. It's not the initial belief, it's the convincing after the fact that's fun. Just didn't have enough energy last night. I blame the Taco Bell. And the Robertsons.


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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby assateague » Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:08 pm

I apologize, Dale, I forgot you were there.
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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby assateague » Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:08 pm

Westie25 wrote:But all in all a neat bird. I've learned to never believe shit AT says. He tried to get me to drink mustard for some remedy once. He's a sly bastard.


:lol: I forgot about that one :lol:
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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby DC727 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:11 pm

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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby DeadEye_Dan » Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:12 pm

assateague wrote:I apologize, Dale, I forgot you were there.


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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby NuffDaddy » Sat Apr 06, 2013 2:14 pm

3legged_lab wrote:
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Westie25 wrote:But all in all a neat bird. I've learned to never believe shit AT says. He tried to get me to drink mustard for some remedy once. He's a sly bastard.

He tried to get me to piss on my dog...


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Didn't he try to convince someone to piss on their iPhone too?

Don't know. Wouldn't surprise me.


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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby assateague » Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:15 pm

If I did, I don't remember that one.
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Re: Piebald speck?

Postby The Duck Hammer » Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:55 pm

3legged_lab wrote:
NuffDaddy wrote:
Westie25 wrote:But all in all a neat bird. I've learned to never believe shit AT says. He tried to get me to drink mustard for some remedy once. He's a sly bastard.

He tried to get me to piss on my dog...


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Didn't he try to convince someone to piss on their iPhone too?

Didn't he get Nuff to shake his iPhone to clear out something and make it work faster?
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