sbe 10 ga.

[Rick]

I put myself at a disadvantage but set at opposite end of blind. Yankeegray says millet will learn steady after another season or two maybe.
Until then he's tied on a quick release strap.
It's different. I wish I'd had the strap two dogs ago.

Guess that's one way to go about it, but also one more thing to fool with. Being lazy, I just steady them from the git-go

[Ricky Spanish]

I put myself at a disadvantage but set at opposite end of blind. Yankeegray says millet will learn steady after another season or two maybe.
Until then he's tied on a quick release strap.
It's different. I wish I'd had the strap two dogs ago.

Guess that's one way to go about it, but also one more thing to fool with. Being lazy, I just steady them from the git-go

Comparing me to you is dumb.
I hunt alone.
You don't.

I used to sit on the end with the dog and decided getting a shower on each retrieve sucks plus my gear gets covered in trash, sticks, and mud.
You do you.
I'll sit in a nice swiveling boat seat by the motah.
It has disadvantages but I suffer the consequences not you. If you use a ten gauge fine I won't feel a thing.
Lazy? Lol

[Rick]

Comparing me to you is dumb.
I hunt alone.
You don't.

I used to sit on the end with the dog and decided getting a shower on each retrieve sucks plus my gear gets covered in trash, sticks, and mud.
You do you.
I'll sit in a nice swiveling boat seat by the motah.
It has disadvantages but I suffer the consequences not you. If you use a ten gauge fine I won't feel a thing.
Lazy? Lol

Better back off the meds or get back on 'em.

[Ricky Spanish]

Comparing me to you is dumb.
I hunt alone.
You don't.

I used to sit on the end with the dog and decided getting a shower on each retrieve sucks plus my gear gets covered in trash, sticks, and mud.
You do you.
I'll sit in a nice swiveling boat seat by the motah.
It has disadvantages but I suffer the consequences not you. If you use a ten gauge fine I won't feel a thing.
Lazy? Lol

Better back off the meds or get back on 'em.

What flavor and gauge?
Select carefully.

[Darren]

Yea I figured someone was going to come in and try to roll with the Benelli click narrative, albeit a myth.

I'll make your Beretta auto (gas) and a number of newer age inertia guns (Retay, Stoeger, etc.) go "click" when manually manipulated to do so......anything with the rotating bolt head will click when not allowed to shut on its own accord, as Rick noted.

So yea, get out of here with that. And before some try to spin me as simply a Benelli fan boy......it was merely a transition from what originated, with a vengeance, as a Beretta fan since a very young age. Cut a whole lot of grass to buy my first AL390 that I still enjoy shooting today at the range and for doves on rare occasion, and killed whole lot of ducks with it.

I just will not return to the much higher amount of moving parts of gas guns of any brand vs. an inertia gun for the day-in-day-out demands of my hunting season.



The recoil and cost of operation, for sure, are no doubt legit hindrances to any modern day inertia-driven 10ga though. So you'd have to have a big physical frame, and deep pockets to run it consistently through a season, or take it on more than a couple of late season snow goose conservation hunts.

[Ricky Spanish]

Dug back thru the texts and Theircommitted10 said...
"I'm a big dude and it's hard to hurt me".
"Had to use a sbe for 3 days and it hurt".
If you're really thinking about an inertia ten... think again.


Compared to Darren's 390 it really does hurt.
Another gun I found that kicked like hell was an old Belgian Browning. I shot it 2 or 3 times and handed it back.

[Darren]

Dug back thru the texts and Theircommitted10 said...
"I'm a big dude and it's hard to hurt me".
"Had to use a sbe for 3 days and it hurt".
If you're really thinking about an inertia ten... think again.


Compared to Darren's 390 it really does hurt.
Another gun I found that kicked like hell was an old Belgian Browning. I shot it 2 or 3 times and handed it back.

I often shoot a lil clay tourney this time of year, and of course that's when the AL390 comes off the rack. Always blown away by how sweet (and of course SOFT) that thing shoots, fresh off a hunting season of inertia. I'll never part with that gun, special to me from the standpoint of the work it took to be able to afford it at such a young age. Think I was 12-13 or so at the time.

[Ricky Spanish]

Dug back thru the texts and Theircommitted10 said...
"I'm a big dude and it's hard to hurt me".
"Had to use a sbe for 3 days and it hurt".
If you're really thinking about an inertia ten... think again.


Compared to Darren's 390 it really does hurt.
Another gun I found that kicked like hell was an old Belgian Browning. I shot it 2 or 3 times and handed it back.

I often shoot a lil clay tourney this time of year, and of course that's when the AL390 comes off the rack. Always blown away by how sweet (and of course SOFT) that thing shoots, fresh off a hunting season of inertia. I'll never part with that gun, special to me from the standpoint of the work it took to be able to afford it at such a young age. Think I was 12-13 or so at the time.

I really got lucky when I asked my brother in law to lend me a semi auto. I think he had even better shotguns but he pulled out an all black 390 from Walmart.
I loved that gun. It got stolen my heart was crushed.
My daughter Said "get an even nicer gun to remove the sting". She's right.

I sided their house to pay for that black gun.

[Anotherone]

Those Italian firearm engineers will probably use Benelli’s patented auto regulating gas operation system from their M4 defense shotguns IF building a 10 gauge. Just a thought.

[plainsman]

Yea I figured someone was going to come in and try to roll with the Benelli click narrative, albeit a myth.

lmao....hardly a myth...been there, first hand so see it many times. It's a real thing, admit it or not! Isn't that why beeny did a redesign on the m2?...to try to eliminate a known issue?

[Rick]

lmao....hardly a myth...been there, first hand so see it many times. It's a real thing, admit it or not! Isn't that why beeny did a redesign on the m2?...to try to eliminate a known issue?

What you've seen were guys who didn't understand how their guns are supposed to operate. The redesign was to try making a good design dummy-proof.

[Rick]

Dug back thru the texts and Theircommitted10 said...
"I'm a big dude and it's hard to hurt me".
"Had to use a sbe for 3 days and it hurt".
If you're really thinking about an inertia ten... think again.


Compared to Darren's 390 it really does hurt.

My SBE replaced an appreciably heavier and gas operated 1187, but the biggest difference I noticed was that the SBE cycled reliably - unless I shot 3 1/2s. Could be the reason a "big dude" might feel more recoil than I do is because my slight, bony-assed body is more readily pushed out of the way of recoil than a more solid frame.

When the SBE and 3" 1 1/4oz shells were my most-every-open-day gun and ammo combo, I sometimes loaned the SBE to guests and shot my 870, instead, which always surprised me with how much greater felt recoil was with the same 3" shells. Might as well have been shooting 3 1/2"s through the SBE in that regard.

[Deltaman]

I used to rag my friends about the cost of their Benelli's, somewhat out of jealousy, while I shot an old SKB 3" pump (loved that gun)! While attending a Christmas party in Biloxi, MS 12 years ago, my wife and I booked a room at the Beau Rivage, so that we didn't have to make the drive back to Mobile after attending the dinner party (it was a dirty Santa, and I walked away with a half-gallon of Crown Royal ). We allowed ourselves $200 apiece, and hit the casino after the party. I got lucky and won $12,500 (minus $300 for MS state taxes), and was cognizant enough to quit playing. We used the money to pay off some bills, made a few upgrades to our home, and I bought an M2 Benelli. Yes, I had a few clicks in the beginning, but as Rick mentioned, only because I was not allowing the gun to snap closed. Once I realized the error of my ways, I've never had any issues. A year later, I was gifted an older SBE, from a retired doctor that I had taken duck hunting and fishing over the years, and I alternate use of these guns, and love them! They go bang every time I use them, as fast as I can pull the trigger.

[5 stand]

$12,500... What a great evening, good memories and good story...

[Darren]

I used to rag my friends about the cost of their Benelli's, somewhat out of jealousy, while I shot an old SKB 3" pump (loved that gun)! While attending a Christmas party in Biloxi, MS 12 years ago, my wife and I booked a room at the Beau Rivage, so that we didn't have to make the drive back to Mobile after attending the dinner party (it was a dirty Santa, and I walked away with a half-gallon of Crown Royal ). We allowed ourselves $200 apiece, and hit the casino after the party. I got lucky and won $12,500 (minus $300 for MS state taxes), and was cognizant enough to quit playing. We used the money to pay off some bills, made a few upgrades to our home, and I bought an M2 Benelli. Yes, I had a few clicks in the beginning, but as Rick mentioned, only because I was not allowing the gun to snap closed. Once I realized the error of my ways, I've never had any issues. A year later, I was gifted an older SBE, from a retired doctor that I had taken duck hunting and fishing over the years, and I alternate use of these guns, and love them! They go bang every time I use them, as fast as I can pull the trigger.

Great story! Awfully smart to walk away from "the Beau" while ahead, and by so far! I've not been so lucky there, or anywhere that involves risking money to get more of it via chance, so I avoid them these days.

Yes, the M2 is bulletproof, and so many swear by those older SBE's.

[plainsman]

lmao....hardly a myth...been there, first hand so see it many times. It's a real thing, admit it or not! Isn't that why beeny did a redesign on the m2?...to try to eliminate a known issue?

What you've seen were guys who didn't understand how their guns are supposed to operate. The redesign was to try making a good design dummy-proof.

What I witnessed is a flawed design that easily removes the bolt from battery or doesn't allow for full lock up. There's a reason it's called the BENELLI click. Even my cheap Girsan goes fully into battery and stays there.

[Rick]

What I witnessed is a flawed design that easily removes the bolt from battery or doesn't allow for full lock up. There's a reason it's called the BENELLI click.

Less deep thinkers than you might believe it's called a Benelli click, because it was their patent and products that first brought the excellent inertia design to the market, where folks who don't understand how it works can short-stop it.

'Course now that the patent has expired and other major manufacturers have jumped on the inertia bandwagon, some of their unwitting buyers might soon be lobbying for hyphenated "click" nomenclature..

[Ricky Spanish]

If I were considering an inertia gun I'd try and test-shoot one 100 times just to see how I felt the next day about it.

[Darren]

If I were considering an inertia gun I'd try and test-shoot one 100 times just to see how I felt the next day about it.

My duck gun progression started in earnest with the aforementioned AL390, though that was preceded by the trusty 870 20g, but then went to Xtrema2 then A400 Xtreme (on a whim). Had always had an eye for the M2 since a SW La guide I hunted with a good many times was using one for his every day gun. Just seemed more compact, lighter, easier to swing, and loved the idea of less moving parts.

Recall distinctly popping off the first few rounds at a clays range with low brass, during summer with a t-shirt on, and noticing that increased recoil from the above mentioned line of gas-run predecessors. Even so, I soon found that during a September teal hunt in equally light clothing I didn't notice it at all when the birds were flying.

The A400 sat in the closet for probably 2 years before I realized I had no intention of hunting it again, and sold it; haven't looked back.


PS: You could "click" both the Xtreme A400 and the Xtrema2, just as my "Beeny???" M2......but all three were/have been extremely reliable duck guns.

[Ricky Spanish]

If I were considering an inertia gun I'd try and test-shoot one 100 times just to see how I felt the next day about it.

My duck gun progression started in earnest with the aforementioned AL390, though that was preceded by the trusty 870 20g, but then went to Xtrema2 then A400 Xtreme (on a whim). Had always had an eye for the M2 since a SW La guide I hunted with a good many times was using one for his every day gun. Just seemed more compact, lighter, easier to swing, and loved the idea of less moving parts.

Recall distinctly popping off the first few rounds at a clays range with low brass, during summer with a t-shirt on, and noticing that increased recoil from the above mentioned line of gas-run predecessors. Even so, I soon found that during a September teal hunt in equally light clothing I didn't notice it at all when the birds were flying.

The A400 sat in the closet for probably 2 years before I realized I had no intention of hunting it again, and sold it; haven't looked back.


PS: You could "click" both the Xtreme A400 and the Xtrema2, just as my "Beeny???" M2......but all three were/have been extremely reliable duck guns.

I'm pretty sure it'd make a mark on my poor wittle shoulder if I shot one 100 times with target loads.
Guess I'm an old wussy. I suppose that in my 30s or 40s I could deny the pain. My shoulder hurts just looking at a box of 3.5 inch shells.
Waa

[Deltaman]

When I bought my M2, I was torn between the Beretta and the Benelli. I had the guy behind the counter at a local gun store break them both down. When I saw the number of parts on the Beretta compared to the Benelli, I became a Benelli man! Not to say the Beretta isn't a fine gun, it is, but the simplicity of the Benelli sold me that day.

[Darren]

When I bought my M2, I was torn between the Beretta and the Benelli. I had the guy behind the counter at a local gun store break them both down. When I saw the number of parts on the Beretta compared to the Benelli, I became a Benelli man! Not to say the Beretta isn't a fine gun, it is, but the simplicity of the Benelli sold me that day.

I just got tired of finding rusty parts I didnt even know existed a week after a rainy hunt. Another factor was something my Xtrema2 didnt do, but the A400 did.......had a distinct mechanical sound for every shot, the sound of that foreward spring thing traveling, and it got in my head.

Inertia gun? Pop pop pop, clean, no other parts moving, or tucked away to rust out of site. The Xtrema2 and A400 both were extremely reliable regardless. Hunting buddy Johnny was a die-hard A400 user up to this season when he trialed a CZ 3-inch inertia gun that seemed to do well for him, no malfunctions I can recall, and enjoyed the drastically reduced cleaning frequency and effort as I've been for many years now.

[Ricky Spanish]

If you want a big shotgun that was designed to shoot down planes...
Russia made a 4 Gauge KS-23.
You need special training to use one....allegedly

[Ducaholic]

I have my Beretta A400 cleaned every year after the season. I shoot approximately 300 hundred rounds per year including dove season No issues despite all the moving parts which honestly I have never paid any attention to. I don't clean em I shoot em!

My point is if I have to take em down and clean em for them to shoot during the season I will find one that does not come with that requirement. The Beretta and my Browning Silver both meet my requirements.

I had a SBE2 it got stolen the first year I had it so my experience is limited. Prior to that is was a BPS for the better part of my adult lifetime. I never cleaned them just oil wipe what you could get to and shoot. They wore out every 4-5 years and I'd just by another one. That was back when I was killing ducks..

[Darren]

If you hunt on a rainy day, I highly recommend you break that A400 down and clean out the forward spring and all ASAP. Ask me how I know


And just for the record since it makes for a fun addition to this thread on inertia, gas, etc. autos. Many years ago, think 2005 or 2006 season, was hunting with a fella known for being hard on his equipment, a self-proclaimed SBE aficionado of sorts. During a volley on ducks his bolt assembly of that SBE went to a number of broken pieces. Wasn't the best advertisement for Benelli I ever saw....... but likely had a whole lot of abuse/neglect of the gun involved. My vague recollection also has me thinking it was likely with a 3.5" shell as he was one of those that shot them at teal or pterodactyls all the same.

happy friday, all

[Ducaholic]

[quote="Darren"]If you hunt on a rainy day, I highly recommend you break that A400 down and clean out the forward spring and all ASAP. Ask me how I know/quote]

Never had to. I will spray some rem oil in to the moving parts I can get to without even pulling the barrel off wipe it out and let er rip. Never had a problem. Guess I've been lucky. Been shooting the Beretta for about 5 years now. The Browning Silver for about 10. The Beretta is the go to gun and the Silver is the back up. When hunting out of my boat both guns are locked and loaded and both get shot back to back if the need arises. I will often shoot the Beretta's 3 rounds and then dispatch cripples with the Silver.

[plainsman]

If you want a big shotgun that was designed to shoot down planes...
Russia made a 4 Gauge KS-23.
You need special training to use one....allegedly

got a link?