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Postby jarbo03 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:01 pm

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3legged_lab wrote:Red, like others said, in my experience the females seem a little less hard headed and faster learners.

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This^^ Had a male setter before this one and he was bull headed and stubborn. The female I got 3 years ago is a lot more calm but still has a lot of energy and drive when it comes to work. Trained her in a summer because all she wanted to do was please and never and to force anything one her.



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In my experiences, this is completely coincidence. It has more so to do with the individual dog than the sex. Have seen it go both ways.

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Re: I've been offered...

Postby Tomkat » Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:45 pm

Matt Duncan wrote: Forgive me but I am a little passionate when it comes to breeding and chessies. I see new backyard breedings constantly which in the long run will be the demise of the Chesapeake which for now is still a very primative and nostalgic breed to hunt and compete with..


you remind me of a certain fella I know on another web site....

JUST KIDDING!!!! I have noticed Chessie owners are "a breed apart" LOL When you sat primitive, is that because they cant drive or ride a bike? :fishing:

Matt, I am all for the breed standard and doing the right thing.

But I am living proof that you CAN get a very good backyard bred Lab. And no, Chessies are not labs. But when I see that kind of passion, it makes me want to poke the chessie lover with a sharp stick. Nothing personal, its a knee jerk response from my 10,000 posts at DHC before I got banned.
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Re: I've been offered...

Postby Eric Haynes » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:13 pm

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Matt Duncan wrote: Forgive me but I am a little passionate when it comes to breeding and chessies. I see new backyard breedings constantly which in the long run will be the demise of the Chesapeake which for now is still a very primative and nostalgic breed to hunt and compete with..


you remind me of a certain fella I know on another web site....

JUST KIDDING!!!! I have noticed Chessie owners are "a breed apart" LOL When you sat primitive, is that because they cant drive or ride a bike? :fishing:

Matt, I am all for the breed standard and doing the right thing.

But I am living proof that you CAN get a very good backyard bred Lab. And no, Chessies are not labs. But when I see that kind of passion, it makes me want to poke the chessie lover with a sharp stick. Nothing personal, its a knee jerk response from my 10,000 posts at DHC before I got banned.

You still cannot look over the FACT that you are at a HUGE advantage going with a reputable breeder over some random guess at a backyard breeder, and I am living proof of that. I will bet all of my dollars that there are more backyard duds than success stories. Some people get lucky, the majority don't. I would buy a $600 lab with all health clearances over getting a free dog with nothing. I owe it to my pet to give them a good life, and thats much easier to do when I know its chances of being completely healthy are damn near certain.

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Re: I've been offered...

Postby jarbo03 » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:17 pm

No doubt you can have good backyard breeder dogs, I have had 3 of them. They were all selectively bred though, by people who cared about the beeed. I understand exactly what Matt is saying, and I agree with his feelings. He cares about Chessies, and doesn't want then to turn into, well, labs, or goldens, or cockers, or even poodles. Sure there are many great dogs from those breeds that are great hunters, but also a shitload of them I wouldn't piss in the rain for. When I bought Taz I had to sign a contract saying he would be a hunting dog, and would do everything to save and improve the breed, there were incentives for testing also. He is NAVHDA registered, in which to breed, every dog has to be approved. It's a good thing having oeopke who care abiut the breed, not going along with the latest craze.

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Re: I've been offered...

Postby jehler » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:27 pm

I hear its almost impossible to get a chessie without issues
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Re: I've been offered...

Postby one2many » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:35 pm

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Matt I totally get what you're saying and respect your opinion. And I knew my post would generate some hesitant responses. I'll explain alittle clearer. My friend is a very good friend and very well respected rat terrier/ mountain feist breeder and dog owner.[/quote]
Red if your friend is a serious Feist breeder and hunter,i wouldnt pass up on a chessie from him. in fact if you dont want the pup i will take her.
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Re: I've been offered...

Postby one2many » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:36 pm

wow epic quote fail :oops:
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Re: I've been offered...

Postby Tomkat » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:34 pm

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Matt Duncan wrote: Forgive me but I am a little passionate when it comes to breeding and chessies. I see new backyard breedings constantly which in the long run will be the demise of the Chesapeake which for now is still a very primative and nostalgic breed to hunt and compete with..


you remind me of a certain fella I know on another web site....

JUST KIDDING!!!! I have noticed Chessie owners are "a breed apart" LOL When you sat primitive, is that because they cant drive or ride a bike? :fishing:

Matt, I am all for the breed standard and doing the right thing.

But I am living proof that you CAN get a very good backyard bred Lab. And no, Chessies are not labs. But when I see that kind of passion, it makes me want to poke the chessie lover with a sharp stick. Nothing personal, its a knee jerk response from my 10,000 posts at DHC before I got banned.

You still cannot look over the FACT that you are at a HUGE advantage going with a reputable breeder over some random guess at a backyard breeder, and I am living proof of that. I will bet all of my dollars that there are more backyard duds than success stories. Some people get lucky, the majority don't. I would buy a $600 lab with all health clearances over getting a free dog with nothing. I owe it to my pet to give them a good life, and thats much easier to do when I know its chances of being completely healthy are damn near certain.

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I never did overlook the FACT, just as you cannot overlook the FACT that sometimes, that thin margin of statistical whimsey comes back as a bite in the ass.

That, my friend, is why people buy lottery tickets, even though the odds are not good.
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Re: I've been offered...

Postby Eric Haynes » Tue Feb 05, 2013 7:46 pm

Tomkat wrote:
Eric Haynes wrote:
Tomkat wrote:
Matt Duncan wrote: Forgive me but I am a little passionate when it comes to breeding and chessies. I see new backyard breedings constantly which in the long run will be the demise of the Chesapeake which for now is still a very primative and nostalgic breed to hunt and compete with..


you remind me of a certain fella I know on another web site....

JUST KIDDING!!!! I have noticed Chessie owners are "a breed apart" LOL When you sat primitive, is that because they cant drive or ride a bike? :fishing:

Matt, I am all for the breed standard and doing the right thing.

But I am living proof that you CAN get a very good backyard bred Lab. And no, Chessies are not labs. But when I see that kind of passion, it makes me want to poke the chessie lover with a sharp stick. Nothing personal, its a knee jerk response from my 10,000 posts at DHC before I got banned.

You still cannot look over the FACT that you are at a HUGE advantage going with a reputable breeder over some random guess at a backyard breeder, and I am living proof of that. I will bet all of my dollars that there are more backyard duds than success stories. Some people get lucky, the majority don't. I would buy a $600 lab with all health clearances over getting a free dog with nothing. I owe it to my pet to give them a good life, and thats much easier to do when I know its chances of being completely healthy are damn near certain.

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I never did overlook the FACT, just as you cannot overlook the FACT that sometimes, that thin margin of statistical whimsey comes back as a bite in the ass.

That, my friend, is why people buy lottery tickets, even though the odds are not good.

The lottery isn't a life. I know what you are saying, and all I'm saying is, just don't expect the world with a dog that wasn't bred to do so.

When I think backyard breeder, I think people just breeding for money and not for betterment of the breed. I don't consider people breeding healthy dogs that can demonstrate being good hunters, as backyard breeders.

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Re: I've been offered...

Postby FlintRiverFowler » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:02 pm

I would think about having a contract stating the amount of breedings he would be allowed. Or else with breeding rights he could continually keep the dog pregnant.


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Re: I've been offered...

Postby Redbeard » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:21 am

FlintRiverFowler wrote:I would think about having a contract stating the amount of breedings he would be allowed. Or else with breeding rights he could continually keep the dog pregnant.


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Re: I've been offered...

Postby Redbeard » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:29 am

Well boys with much consideration, Sam and I have decided accept the pup. I'm excited about the breeder...they said the pups would be born underneath the double wide any day now. Said it usually takes his wife a few days to crawl under and find em all. But once she does, he'll have the pup on the first train west. They run a top notch operation

Anyway...she'll be born this week. Sam's very excited
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Re: I've been offered...

Postby Olly » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:31 am

Redbeard wrote:Well boys with much consideration, Sam and I have decided accept the pup. I'm excited about the breeder...they said the pups would be born underneath the double wide any day now. Said it usually takes his wife a few days to crawl under and find em all. But once she does, he'll have the pup on the first train west. They run a top notch operation

Anyway...she'll be born this week. Sam's very excited


Congrats share some pics when you get it.

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Re: I've been offered...

Postby Eric Haynes » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:42 am

Redbeard wrote:Well boys with much consideration, Sam and I have decided accept the pup. I'm excited about the breeder...they said the pups would be born underneath the double wide any day now. Said it usually takes his wife a few days to crawl under and find em all. But once she does, he'll have the pup on the first train west. They run a top notch operation

Anyway...she'll be born this week. Sam's very excited

Hehe, hopefully they have a pitbull to sniff em out.

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Re: I've been offered...

Postby Tomkat » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:47 am

Eric Haynes wrote:[When I think backyard breeder, I think people just breeding for money and not for betterment of the breed. I don't consider people breeding healthy dogs that can demonstrate being good hunters, as backyard breeders.

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Good definition, and I agree. The funny part is they bred them....in the backyard.
My friend is an active DU member with a good bitch dog. His father in law had a good stud, they knew both dogs were ok health wise, and both of them were purebred labs. They had one litter. I got one of the pups. I had my dog speyed at 6 months as I KNOW I am not a breeder nor do I want pups.

I am lucky as I got to hunt with the momma dog, and I liked her. Then I got to play with all 8 pups a few times. I finally let my friend pick Brandy for me. He knew them better than I did; and he knew which one would make a hunter. He was right. I got a good one.

Eric, (and all Chessie lovers) I am all for doing the best thing for the breed. That is why there are breed standards. My point is that you don't HAVE to go balls out, money wise, to get a good hunting dog. You have to have a little common sense. And of course genetics play a large role.

IMO the only thing that has saved Labs from the same fate as irish setters, cocker spaniles, and golden retriviers is the fact so many people like us insist on making them do the job they were bred to do.
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Re: I've been offered...

Postby jarbo03 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:57 am

Tomkat wrote:
Eric Haynes wrote:[When I think backyard breeder, I think people just breeding for money and not for betterment of the breed. I don't consider people breeding healthy dogs that can demonstrate being good hunters, as backyard breeders.

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Good definition, and I agree. The funny part is they bred them....in the backyard.
My friend is an active DU member with a good bitch dog. His father in law had a good stud, they knew both dogs were ok health wise, and both of them were purebred labs. They had one litter. I got one of the pups. I had my dog speyed at 6 months as I KNOW I am not a breeder nor do I want pups.

I am lucky as I got to hunt with the momma dog, and I liked her. Then I got to play with all 8 pups a few times. I finally let my friend pick Brandy for me. He knew them better than I did; and he knew which one would make a hunter. He was right. I got a good one.

Eric, (and all Chessie lovers) I am all for doing the best thing for the breed. That is why there are breed standards. My point is that you don't HAVE to go balls out, money wise, to get a good hunting dog. You have to have a little common sense. And of course genetics play a large role.

IMO the only thing that has saved Labs from the same fate as irish setters, cocker spaniles, and golden retriviers is the fact so many people like us insist on making them do the job they were bred to do.

Yep, agreed.:smile:

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Re: I've been offered...

Postby aunt betty » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:59 pm

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There, is it that hard to say? :duck:
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Re: I've been offered...

Postby NuffDaddy » Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:08 pm

Redbeard wrote:Well boys with much consideration, Sam and I have decided accept the pup. I'm excited about the breeder...they said the pups would be born underneath the double wide any day now. Said it usually takes his wife a few days to crawl under and find em all. But once she does, he'll have the pup on the first train west. They run a top notch operation

Anyway...she'll be born this week. Sam's very excited

congrats. And X2 on the pictures.


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Re: I've been offered...

Postby Matt Duncan » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:30 pm

jehler wrote:I hear its almost impossible to get a chessie without issues


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Re: I've been offered...

Postby Eric Haynes » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:30 pm

Maybe not everyone read your post all the way Red:lol::lol:

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Re: I've been offered...

Postby jarbo03 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:50 pm

Eric Haynes wrote:
Redbeard wrote:Well boys with much consideration, Sam and I have decided accept the pup. I'm excited about the breeder...they said the pups would be born underneath the double wide any day now. Said it usually takes his wife a few days to crawl under and find em all. But once she does, he'll have the pup on the first train west. They run a top notch operation

Anyway...she'll be born this week. Sam's very excited

Hehe, hopefully they have a pitbull to sniff em out.

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Re: I've been offered...

Postby Matt Duncan » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:55 pm

Tomkat wrote:
Matt Duncan wrote: Forgive me but I am a little passionate when it comes to breeding and chessies. I see new backyard breedings constantly which in the long run will be the demise of the Chesapeake which for now is still a very primative and nostalgic breed to hunt and compete with..


you remind me of a certain fella I know on another web site....

JUST KIDDING!!!! I have noticed Chessie owners are "a breed apart" LOL When you sat primitive, is that because they cant drive or ride a bike? :fishing:

Matt, I am all for the breed standard and doing the right thing.

But I am living proof that you CAN get a very good backyard bred Lab. And no, Chessies are not labs. But when I see that kind of passion, it makes me want to poke the chessie lover with a sharp stick. Nothing personal, its a knee jerk response from my 10,000 posts at DHC before I got banned.


TK- when I say primative I mean the Chesapeake hasn't really changed that much over time. A lot of the traits of the cheesie's of ole are still there and luckily the breed hasn't taken on the popularity of the lab or golden. This breed was developed out the need for a rugged dog that could work day in and day out with little training and today this still holds true most of the time. Chances are most chessie's will turn out to be a what most hunters want, to just go get the birds... Now probably 9 out 10 issues are trainer created by folks that have no business having a chessie. Call a few reputable chessie breeders, they are going to have more questions about you than you will their litter. No worries TK I'm used to the chessie jabs. Although it's funny to me how quiet those guys get when they watch a chessie smash a test that their FC X FC bred Lab just bombed...
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Re: I've been offered...

Postby jehler » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:59 pm

Matt Duncan wrote:
jehler wrote:I hear its almost impossible to get a chessie without issues


Thats every dog be it Lab, chessie or even the beloved labradoodle...

Not the English lab, natural born hunters
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Re: I've been offered...

Postby Matt Duncan » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:00 pm

Redbeard, congrats and good luck with your puppy! Socialize her like crazy and bond with her. Be fair and learn to pick your battles and training a chessie is a lot more enjoyable.
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Re: I've been offered...

Postby Matt Duncan » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:01 pm

jehler wrote:
Matt Duncan wrote:
jehler wrote:I hear its almost impossible to get a chessie without issues


Thats every dog be it Lab, chessie or even the beloved labradoodle...

Not the English lab, natural born hunters


Thank you jehler, you just made my day :D
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Postby Redbeard » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:02 pm

Matt Duncan wrote:Redbeard, congrats and good luck with your puppy! Socialize her like crazy and bond with her. Be fair and learn to pick your battles and training a chessie is a lot more enjoyable.

thanks Matt. I'm sure I'll be hitting you up for info
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Re: I've been offered...

Postby jehler » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:21 pm

Matt Duncan wrote:
jehler wrote:
Matt Duncan wrote:
jehler wrote:I hear its almost impossible to get a chessie without issues


Thats every dog be it Lab, chessie or even the beloved labradoodle...

Not the English lab, natural born hunters


Thank you jehler, you just made my day :D

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Postby Redbeard » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:39 pm

jehler wrote:
Matt Duncan wrote:
jehler wrote:I hear its almost impossible to get a chessie without issues


Thats every dog be it Lab, chessie or even the beloved labradoodle...

Not the English lab, natural born hunters

Hahaha
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Re: I've been offered...

Postby Redbeard » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:55 am

Sam's narrowed his pup's names down to Jesse and Cadee. It funny watching all the varmints try and talk him into naming it sweet pea, skittles, cupcake, wildmutt and venosaur
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Re: I've been offered...

Postby Eric Haynes » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:30 pm

Redbeard wrote:Sam's narrowed his pup's names down to Jesse and Cadee. It funny watching all the varmints try and talk him into naming it sweet pea, skittles, cupcake, wildmutt and venosaur


I like Venosaur, but Jesse would be good too, ONLY if his papered name has Jesse Katsopolis in it.
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