"Meat dogs"?

[Matt Duncan]

I think people have a misconception about hunt tests making dogs do stuff a meat dog doesnt need. A hunt test throws marks and blinds and your dog needs to go get them. Look at a JH, SH, or MH requirement and show me anything in there that you dont want a meat dog to do.

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i don't want my dog to have to work for a piece of paper to compensate for my own insecurities.

So people that campaign their dogs are compensating for their insecurities?

yes, basically, actually compensating for their small penis' butt I was trying to be polite

All this time I thought it was a hobby for most a career for others and way to get kids and new folks involved in the dog games and waterfowling.... I suppose that correlates that correlates with penis size...

[Olly]

Are we a real waterfowl forum now?

My dog would never win a ribbon but he gets my ducks without fail and that's the level of training I'm happy with. I think it's all a personal choice.


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[Bootlipkiller]

I had a pig that won some ribbons once.

[Bootlipkiller]

Are we a real waterfowl forum now?

My dog would never win a ribbon but he gets my ducks without fail and that's the level of training I'm happy with. I think it's all a personal choice.


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This^:):):)

[assateague]

I agree with Olly, although I don't have a dog. To me, a meat dog is results-oriented, not process-oriented. I understand that many, many, many test dogs are hunting dogs as well. But it would be intellectually dishonest if it wasn't also admitted that the test variety requires more emphasis in the "how" something is done. To many (myself included), I don't care about the "shine", only the result. So I suppose that I would take a meat dog before a test dog. Just as I prefer an 870 over a Fox.They do the same thing, just one has more bells and whistles. Shine.

[Bootlipkiller]

Pieces of flair!

[Eric Haynes]

Are we a real waterfowl forum now?

My dog would never win a ribbon but he gets my ducks without fail and that's the level of training I'm happy with. I think it's all a personal choice.


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Only reason he wouldnt get a ribbon is because you don't him to. If your dog can't pass a JH test, it can't hunt either. All it has to do is bring back a marked bird

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[Olly]

Are we a real waterfowl forum now?

My dog would never win a ribbon but he gets my ducks without fail and that's the level of training I'm happy with. I think it's all a personal choice.


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Only reason he wouldnt get a ribbon is because you don't him to. If your dog can't pass a JH test, it can't hunt either. All it has to do is bring back a marked bird

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I had no idea. I know nothing about hunt test because I've never had a desire to take my dog to one.

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[jehler]

I think people have a misconception about hunt tests making dogs do stuff a meat dog doesnt need. A hunt test throws marks and blinds and your dog needs to go get them. Look at a JH, SH, or MH requirement and show me anything in there that you dont want a meat dog to do.

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i don't want my dog to have to work for a piece of paper to compensate for my own insecurities.

So people that campaign their dogs are compensating for their insecurities?

yes, basically, actually compensating for their small penis' butt I was trying to be polite

All this time I thought it was a hobby for most a career for others and way to get kids and new folks involved in the dog games and waterfowling.... I suppose that correlates that correlates with penis size...

Matt, I love dogs, I hate the "you have to have x program and your dog has to perform to x standards" I have had labs my whole life and not one has been an exceptional hunter but all great companions. I don't hate you guys that are into trials and the like but I do love to poke fun at you'all. Occasionally I will have a serious opinion in a dog forum but not often, my knowledge is to limited, take what I say here with a grain of salt and laugh and look inwards at the zen that is the art of dog training

[jehler]

Are we a real waterfowl forum now?

My dog would never win a ribbon but he gets my ducks without fail and that's the level of training I'm happy with. I think it's all a personal choice.


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Only reason he wouldnt get a ribbon is because you don't him to. If your dog can't pass a JH test, it can't hunt either. All it has to do is bring back a marked bird

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I had no idea. I know nothing about hunt test because I've never had a desire to take my dog to one.

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What olly is trying to say is that he is comfortable with the size of his penis. And that will be all for the penis talk today, I have this sinking feeling I have already over used the word today and ghey bob is going to show up on our door step

[Bootlipkiller]

Are we a real waterfowl forum now?

My dog would never win a ribbon but he gets my ducks without fail and that's the level of training I'm happy with. I think it's all a personal choice.


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Only reason he wouldnt get a ribbon is because you don't him to. If your dog can't pass a JH test, it can't hunt either. All it has to do is bring back a marked bird

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Eric loves ribbons!

[Eric Haynes]

Are we a real waterfowl forum now?

My dog would never win a ribbon but he gets my ducks without fail and that's the level of training I'm happy with. I think it's all a personal choice.


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Only reason he wouldnt get a ribbon is because you don't him to. If your dog can't pass a JH test, it can't hunt either. All it has to do is bring back a marked bird

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Eric loves ribbons!

Don't have any yet! I don't want one until they offer a pink one.

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[Tomkat]

I like Ollys take on this. My dog does what I want her to do. Not perfect but a good companion and a good hunting dog. If I was a better trainer, or cared in the least, Brandy would have been a good ht dog.

As it is she is my buddy and duck dog. I love to watch her do the job she was bred to do. When she gets on a crip, its game over.


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[Eric Haynes]

I like Ollys take on this. My dog does what I want her to do. Not perfect but a good companion and a good hunting dog. If I was a better trainer, or cared in the least, Brandy would have been a good ht dog.

As it is she is my buddy and duck dog. I love to watch her do the job she was bred to do. When she gets on a crip, its game over.


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I but she could do well as she is right now in a HT. Do you think running her in a test would suck the personality out of her? Fuck no, because she would be the same dog after. Think a lot of you think hunt tests are for dog snobs. Never met anyone at a test who wasnt a hunter first, and only ran tests as a hobby.

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[assateague]

Here's a little blurb that sort of sums it up for me:


"The old man sent Jake for a duck. Jake swam thirty yards and turned to look at the old man. He commanded "back" and gave Jake a hand signal to send him on back to the ducks in the brush. Every twenty yards or so, Jake would look back to the old man for a hand signal. Two more hand signals put Jake into the buck brush, from which he emerged a few minutes later swimming back to the boat with a duck. 'Grandpa' said Tim, 'the field trial folks call that popping, when the dogs look for a hand signal without being stopped on the whistle. They call it a fault'. 'I count it as intelligent', said the old man. 'Every smart dog I've ever had looked to me for directions on a blind retrieve. It is the sign of a smart cooperative dog. It also cuts down considerably on whistle blasts and noise in the duck blind, which makes duck hunting generally more enjoyable" (Borrowed from Robert Milner, hopefully he won't sue me)

Now, maybe HT are different, I honestly don't know. But that's the impression I get- that the HOW is more important than the WHAT, and if so, that's fine, but just not my cup of tea. If he understands what I want(that duck), I couldn't really care less how he gets it.

[Flightstopper]

Here's a little blurb that sort of sums it up for me:


"The old man sent Jake for a duck. Jake swam thirty yards and turned to look at the old man. He commanded "back" and gave Jake a hand signal to send him on back to the ducks in the brush. Every twenty yards or so, Jake would look back to the old man for a hand signal. Two more hand signals put Jake into the buck brush, from which he emerged a few minutes later swimming back to the boat with a duck. 'Grandpa' said Tim, 'the field trial folks call that popping, when the dogs look for a hand signal without being stopped on the whistle. They call it a fault'. 'I count it as intelligent', said the old man. 'Every smart dog I've ever had looked to me for directions on a blind retrieve. It is the sign of a smart cooperative dog. It also cuts down considerably on whistle blasts and noise in the duck blind, which makes duck hunting generally more enjoyable" (Borrowed from Robert Milner, hopefully he won't sue me)

Now, maybe HT are different, I honestly don't know. But that's the impression I get- that the HOW is more important than the WHAT, and if so, that's fine, but just not my cup of tea. If he understands what I want(that duck), I couldn't really care less how he gets it.

Agreed.

[jarbo03]

To me another difference is handling. I hit a bird, it sails a long way, hits the water and starts swimming. Finally makes the other side which is over 200 yards away. Climbs out of the water and starts across a pasture towards a treeline. Bird is now 400 or more yards away. This is a scenario I am familiar with. I have not hunted with a dog capable of making that retrieve without the handler leaving the blind and assisting, but every dog I've had found every bird, including my britt. Now I think about all the birds I missed while being out of the blind, or walking around marsh or lake to get the dog in a good position to find the bird. My goal is to have Taz make that retrieve without me moving, sorry if that makes me a snob or ass, I promise I won't run in retriever tests.

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[Olly]

Jarbo. A quarter of a mile retrieve? Really?

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[jehler]

Jarbo. A quarter of a mile retrieve? Really?

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chach swam 300 yards after a crippled bill once bag in the day and brought him back

[Eric Haynes]

Jarbo. A quarter of a mile retrieve? Really?

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Its a scenario that happens...I would like a dog that can handle that scenario, but I wouldnt require it

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[Olly]

Jarbo. A quarter of a mile retrieve? Really?

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chach swam 300 yards after a crippled bill once bag in the day and brought him back

Was it a blind retrieve? Moose has needed to do exactly one 100+ yard retrieve, he chased a cripple across open water to the other shore but I know that on a 400 yard BLIND retrieve I'd have to get out of the blind.

Jarbo I gotta say good job if Taz can do that.

[jarbo03]

Jarbo. A quarter of a mile retrieve? Really?

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Yea. That's the toughest of scenarios I stated. Where I hunt this retrieve would be as much on land as water, I hunt a lot of very open areas of pasture. With proper handling I could send him straight across the water, then work him down the bank to where bird walked out. I would then send him back and put faith the tracking work we've done and his natural abilities.
I want my goals set high.

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[Tomkat]

I like Ollys take on this. My dog does what I want her to do. Not perfect but a good companion and a good hunting dog. If I was a better trainer, or cared in the least, Brandy would have been a good ht dog.

As it is she is my buddy and duck dog. I love to watch her do the job she was bred to do. When she gets on a crip, its game over.


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I but she could do well as she is right now in a HT. Do you think running her in a test would suck the personality out of her? Fuck no, because she would be the same dog after. Think a lot of you think hunt tests are for dog snobs. Never met anyone at a test who wasnt a hunter first, and only ran tests as a hobby.

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I never said u were a snob. The dickheads on the other site are snobs. Did u read the part where I said I didn't care in the least? Thats not good or bad, I simply don't care. Ignorance is bliss. Of course my dog will have the same personality.

But I am a multi facetted, complex personality. I don't have time for yet another activity. Shooting, reloading, blogging, hunting and professional mail box design and decoration takes a lot of time and attention. I simply don't have time to run HT. I hope you enjoy your time doing it.

I love to hunt ducks and my dog does that to the level I am happy with. How can you improve on that? Extra shit from that statement just complicates my life. I have left the rat race.


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[jehler]

Jarbo. A quarter of a mile retrieve? Really?

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chach swam 300 yards after a crippled bill once bag in the day and brought him back

Was it a blind retrieve? Moose has needed to do exactly one 100+ yard retrieve, he chased a cripple across open water to the other shore but I know that on a 400 yard BLIND retrieve I'd have to get out of the blind.

Jarbo I gotta say good job if Taz can do that.

nope

[3legged_lab]

If a beast can bring food back to my hand without first eating it and keep my lazy ass sitting in the boat with gun still in hand - I'm happy. Sure my dogs have lost a diving cripple or 2, and a couple that sailed into 6 foot tall tules, but on his worst day he is a better retriever than I on my best day. I don't have any other hunting buddies that will jump dick first into 35* water to fetch ANYTHING for me, let alone be eager to.

[jarbo03]

Jarbo. A quarter of a mile retrieve? Really?

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chach swam 300 yards after a crippled bill once bag in the day and brought him back

Was it a blind retrieve? Moose has needed to do exactly one 100+ yard retrieve, he chased a cripple across open water to the other shore but I know that on a 400 yard BLIND retrieve I'd have to get out of the blind.

Jarbo I gotta say good job if Taz can do that.

nope

He can't, my goal is to reach that point. Taz has had many retrieves over 100 yards

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[assateague]

If a beast can bring food back to my hand without first eating it and keep my lazy ass sitting in the boat with gun still in hand - I'm happy. Sure my dogs have lost a diving cripple or 2, and a couple that sailed into 6 foot tall tules, but on his worst day he is a better retriever than I on my best day. I don't have any other hunting buddies that will jump dick first into 35* water to fetch ANYTHING for me, let alone be eager to.

This is an excellent point.

[Bootlipkiller]

If a beast can bring food back to my hand without first eating it and keep my lazy ass sitting in the boat with gun still in hand - I'm happy. Sure my dogs have lost a diving cripple or 2, and a couple that sailed into 6 foot tall tules, but on his worst day he is a better retriever than I on my best day. I don't have any other hunting buddies that will jump dick first into 35* water to fetch ANYTHING for me, let alone be eager to.

I like this! Sums it up for me.

[3legged_lab]

Also I don't have a problem with the guys who want to test their dogs, just when SOME try to cram their dogs superiority down others throats. (Not directed at any of our members)

[Tomkat]

.... when SOME try to cram their dogs superiority down others throats. (Not directed at any of our members)

Me too tripod. I felt so strongly about that point I ended up getting banned on another site.

I dont care what anyone does with their dog. But you are not gonna look down your nose at me and dictate what I do with mine.