Who here has FF'ed their own dog?

[Woody]

I want to do it, but am honestly scared I'll fuck it up.

It's all about gentle psychological manipulation, it's a lot like getting a girlfriend to try anal.

[assateague]

If I thought I could just give my dog 5 beers and a shot, then it might be. But I'd have to say it's not even close.

[3geese4me]

If I thought I could just give my dog 5 beers and a shot, then it might be. But I'd have to say it's not even close.

I FF'd my dog with zero experience and zero help. The book I used specifically said to read your dog, if they begin to show signs of shutting down to stop and try again the next day. It really isn't that hard and the benefits I've seen come from this have made every painful moment during that time worth it.

[Rick]

You make it found a little like a cult.

That's a good way to put it. Being inherently distasteful to put punishment before a correct action, and particularly so to a beloved pet, folks develop a deep psychological investment in its "necessity".

[3legged_lab]

:grin: I'm not a fan of force fetch topics. Gets too confusing!

I got some dog training experts to speak on the topic at the last DU meeting. Had four speakers. One by one they got behind the podium and said buy a program. One guy had a book he showed but wouldn't let us look at inside. He was quite proud of the cover art.

Its so mysterious. ..

Take the mystery out of it. Buy a book and read it instead of being dependent on others opinions.

[Olly]

If I thought I could just give my dog 5 beers and a shot, then it might be. But I'd have to say it's not even close.

I FF'd my dog with zero experience and zero help. The book I used specifically said to read your dog, if they begin to show signs of shutting down to stop and try again the next day. It really isn't that hard and the benefits I've seen come from this have made every painful moment during that time worth it.

Exactly the same as me. I was scared but had faith in the hunters before me that had done it and the program.

[Eric Haynes]

If I thought I could just give my dog 5 beers and a shot, then it might be. But I'd have to say it's not even close.

I FF'd my dog with zero experience and zero help. The book I used specifically said to read your dog, if they begin to show signs of shutting down to stop and try again the next day. It really isn't that hard and the benefits I've seen come from this have made every painful moment during that time worth it.

Exactly the same as me. I was scared but had faith in the hunters before me that had done it and the program.

I offered my SmartWorks collection to AT. Evan's series makes it damn near impossible to fick up.

[Rick]

Folks who do it themselves at least have that experience to fall back on for reminders when Pup decides to forget FF's lessons. Those who farm it out without going along to learn the process have to send Pup back to school and hope he doesn't decide to forget again as soon as Teach is out of the picture.

[aunt betty]

If I thought I could just give my dog 5 beers and a shot, then it might be. But I'd have to say it's not even close.

I FF'd my dog with zero experience and zero help. The book I used specifically said to read your dog, if they begin to show signs of shutting down to stop and try again the next day. It really isn't that hard and the benefits I've seen come from this have made every painful moment during that time worth it.

Yeah. I pushed Milo til he said stop. Play time, end session. Repeat.

[aunt betty]

Folks who do it themselves at least have that experience to fall back on for reminders when Pup decides to forget FF's lessons. Those who farm it out without going along to learn the process have to send Pup back to school and hope he doesn't decide to forget again as soon as Teach is out of the picture.

Probably should be said that the nearest dog people like we are discussing are way over by Peoria.
I'm on my own.
Thanks for trying.

[3legged_lab]

So you already did the program on milo and FF is still a mystery?

[Feelin' Fowl]

I am not a mystery. Some would say I'm hard to miss...

[Bootlipkiller]

I am not a mystery. Some would say I'm hard to miss...

Your power is only surpassed by your mystery my portly friend.

[Feelin' Fowl]

I am not a mystery. Some would say I'm hard to miss...

Your power is only surpassed by your mystery my portly friend.

[AKPirate]

I am not a mystery. Some would say I'm hard to miss...

Your power is only surpassed by your mystery my portly friend.

portly

[3legged_lab]

I am not a mystery. Some would say I'm hard to miss...

Your power is only surpassed by your mystery my portly friend.

portly

Thats one step nicer than husky.

[AKPirate]

I am not a mystery. Some would say I'm hard to miss...

Your power is only surpassed by your mystery my portly friend.

portly

Thats one step nicer than husky.

[Feelin' Fowl]

Portly is worse. Husky is at least classified by a real size!

[assateague]

Portly carries a certain dignity and savoir faire that "husky" could never hope to obtain. I hear "portly", and I think of a smoking jacket and a castle. I hear "husky" and think of a 7 year old wearing dark blue Toughskins. Stick with "portly".

[3legged_lab]

Portly carries a certain dignity and savoir faire that "husky" could never hope to obtain. I hear "portly", and I think of a smoking jacket and a castle. I hear "husky" and think of a 7 year old wearing dark blue Toughskins. Stick with "portly".

Nice description.

[Feelin' Fowl]

Portly carries a certain dignity and savoir faire that "husky" could never hope to obtain. I hear "portly", and I think of a smoking jacket and a castle. I hear "husky" and think of a 7 year old wearing dark blue Toughskins. Stick with "portly".

With that description, I'm afraid portly is out of my league!

[Bootlipkiller]

Portly carries a certain dignity and savoir faire that "husky" could never hope to obtain. I hear "portly", and I think of a smoking jacket and a castle. I hear "husky" and think of a 7 year old wearing dark blue Toughskins. Stick with "portly".

Thank you Assa, precisely what I had in mind.

[Feelin' Fowl]

Portly carries a certain dignity and savoir faire that "husky" could never hope to obtain. I hear "portly", and I think of a smoking jacket and a castle. I hear "husky" and think of a 7 year old wearing dark blue Toughskins. Stick with "portly".

Thank you Assa, precisely what I had in mind.

Well then, thank you, Boot!

[AKPirate]

Why would anyone Feelin Fowl their dog?

[Bootlipkiller]

Portly carries a certain dignity and savoir faire that "husky" could never hope to obtain. I hear "portly", and I think of a smoking jacket and a castle. I hear "husky" and think of a 7 year old wearing dark blue Toughskins. Stick with "portly".

Thank you Assa, precisely what I had in mind.

Well then, thank you, Boot!

I can't be an asshole all the time.

[Bootlipkiller]

Why would anyone Feelin Fowl their dog?

Poor dog will never be a Mod!

[AKPirate]

Why would anyone Feelin Fowl their dog?

Poor dog will never be a Mod!

[aunt betty]

Back to the topic.
There's like 50 programs, 17 books, 15 tapes, 5 cd's, and an 8x10 photo of ford gilly suitable for framing.
You guys are absolutely worthless to me.
Thanks for trying though. Tryers fail and failures try.

Dumb thread.
Dumb replies.
Dumb jokes.
Dumb tries.

Fuck you fucking fuckers.

[Eric Haynes]

Back to the topic.
There's like 50 programs, 17 books, 15 tapes, 5 cd's, and an 8x10 photo of ford gilly suitable for framing.
You guys are absolutely worthless to me.
Thanks for trying though. Tryers fail and failures try.

Dumb thread.
Dumb replies.
Dumb jokes.
Dumb tries.

Fuck you fucking fuckers.

Again. The best advice was given way at the top. Buy a program and follow it.

[Bootlipkiller]

Back to the topic.
There's like 50 programs, 17 books, 15 tapes, 5 cd's, and an 8x10 photo of ford gilly suitable for framing.
You guys are absolutely worthless to me.
Thanks for trying though. Tryers fail and failures try.

Dumb thread.
Dumb replies.
Dumb jokes.
Dumb tries.

Fuck you fucking fuckers.

Again. The best advice was given way at the top. Buy a program and follow it.

Eric I'm not sure if you have noticed but Betty stopped listening after his first post.