If you were elected President

[(MT)Montanafowler]

so you want all small family farms gobbled up by the large "corporate farms". the small family farms are the ones that cant compete and are disappearing!
i would like your definition of a corporate farm.seeing as almost all family farms are INCs and LLCs and the like.
and what do you feel the states should regulate?

quite the contrary, I think that small farms are held to a standard that they can't survive in, hence why they are going under and being bought out. How are you supposed to grow crops when Monsanto can sue you for everything you're worth because of seed (genetic) drift? The farmer doesn't see more than 8 percent of the profit, most of it goes into the market. I consider farms in excess of 10,000 acres corporate. Places like that are diverse enough that they should be able to stand on their own, without subsidies. Farming practices need to change if we're ever going to have sustainable farming, we need to foster the ag industry by supporting and buying from the smaller farmers who are working toward sustainable farming practices and integrated agroecology. States should regulate whatever the federal system currently regulates, Like jehler said, the federal government is for protection and interstate commerce, we probably can't get back to just those, but the closer the better.

This is quite possibly the most backassward thing I've ever read on this site.

I've got news for you. The govt isn't keeping the 10,000 acre farmer in business. Those guys are sharks. They would love nothing more than the govt to stay the fuck out of their way and stop subsidizing everything. If they did that, the little farms would be gone faster than a blink of an eye.

The big are going to get bigger and the small are going to be acquired and or pushed out. Agriculture is no different than any other industry when it comes to economics.

what i mean is that they need two different levels of regulation. The system in place favors the large "corporate" farms. I'm saying stop subsidizing the farms over 10,000 acres. They are diverse enough to hold their own.

Dan, you and I are in agreement. maybe i worded my last post poorly, and granted, i am not a farmer so i don't know all the ins and outs. But to protect the smaller farms from being absorbed, we should break it into two separate entities of the ag industry. You can't compare a 450 acre farm to something like the Wheat Montana corporation. there are two totally different playing fields that need to be evaluated.

if i'm totally off base, let me know.

[Bulldog0156]

Fuck you! Wheat Montana makes good bread and I can buy it cheap locally!

[(MT)Montanafowler]

Fuck you! Wheat Montana makes good bread and I can buy it cheap locally!

i buy their flour to make bread locally

[Olly]

Another thing I would do is make it so if you were on any government assistant you cannot vote.

[Bulldog0156]

Another thing I would do is make it so if you were on any government assistant you cannot vote.

You'd never get elected in the first place!!

[(MT)Montanafowler]

Another thing I would do is make it so if you were on any government assistant you cannot vote.

You'd never get elected in the first place!!

Pedostache 2016

[Bulldog0156]

or Molestache

[jehler]

so you want all small family farms gobbled up by the large "corporate farms". the small family farms are the ones that cant compete and are disappearing!
i would like your definition of a corporate farm.seeing as almost all family farms are INCs and LLCs and the like.
and what do you feel the states should regulate?

quite the contrary, I think that small farms are held to a standard that they can't survive in, hence why they are going under and being bought out. How are you supposed to grow crops when Monsanto can sue you for everything you're worth because of seed (genetic) drift? The farmer doesn't see more than 8 percent of the profit, most of it goes into the market. I consider farms in excess of 10,000 acres corporate. Places like that are diverse enough that they should be able to stand on their own, without subsidies. Farming practices need to change if we're ever going to have sustainable farming, we need to foster the ag industry by supporting and buying from the smaller farmers who are working toward sustainable farming practices and integrated agroecology. States should regulate whatever the federal system currently regulates, Like jehler said, the federal government is for protection and interstate commerce, we probably can't get back to just those, but the closer the better.

This is quite possibly the most backassward thing I've ever read on this site.

I've got news for you. The govt isn't keeping the 10,000 acre farmer in business. Those guys are sharks. They would love nothing more than the govt to stay the fuck out of their way and stop subsidizing everything. If they did that, the little farms would be gone faster than a blink of an eye.

The big are going to get bigger and the small are going to be acquired and or pushed out. Agriculture is no different than any other industry when it comes to economics.

what i mean is that they need two different levels of regulation. The system in place favors the large "corporate" farms. I'm saying stop subsidizing the farms over 10,000 acres. They are diverse enough to hold their own.

Dan, you and I are in agreement. maybe i worded my last post poorly, and granted, i am not a farmer so i don't know all the ins and outs. But to protect the smaller farms from being absorbed, we should break it into two separate entities of the ag industry. You can't compare a 450 acre farm to something like the Wheat Montana corporation. there are two totally different playing fields that need to be evaluated.

if i'm totally off base, let me know.

fuck you and your regulation idaho

[(MT)Montanafowler]

fuck you and your regulation idaho

go film a movie Tom Hanks

[assateague]

I'm not running for shit. Perhaps if the title of this thread had been "when you take over" I would have something to contribute. Because truthfully, if I ever accidentally got elected (I did, in fact, get 7 write-in votes last time, that I know of) I would be an egg-breaking, omelet-making motherfucker.

[(MT)Montanafowler]

I'm not running for shit. Perhaps if the title of this thread had been "when you take over" I would have something to contribute. Because truthfully, if I ever accidentally got elected (I did, in fact, get 7 write-in votes last time, that I know of) I would be an egg-breaking, omelet-making motherfucker.

you got 23 votes motherfucker, don't try and play that shit down.

[one2many]

so you want all small family farms gobbled up by the large "corporate farms". the small family farms are the ones that cant compete and are disappearing!
i would like your definition of a corporate farm.seeing as almost all family farms are INCs and LLCs and the like.
and what do you feel the states should regulate?

quite the contrary, I think that small farms are held to a standard that they can't survive in, hence why they are going under and being bought out. How are you supposed to grow crops when Monsanto can sue you for everything you're worth because of seed (genetic) drift? The farmer doesn't see more than 8 percent of the profit, most of it goes into the market. I consider farms in excess of 10,000 acres corporate. Places like that are diverse enough that they should be able to stand on their own, without subsidies. Farming practices need to change if we're ever going to have sustainable farming, we need to foster the ag industry by supporting and buying from the smaller farmers who are working toward sustainable farming practices and integrated agroecology. States should regulate whatever the federal system currently regulates, Like jehler said, the federal government is for protection and interstate commerce, we probably can't get back to just those, but the closer the better.

with out subsides the small family farm wouldnt survive. take it away and they are failing.
you and aunt betty need to get over the monsanto will take your farm bullshit.
why 10k acres?,an INC is an INC. just what do you consider sustainable farming practices?
"we need to foster the ag industry by supporting and buying from the smaller farmers" sure then listen to everyone bitch about the cost of bread and milk. half the people bitch about the rich farmer getting all this money handed out to them. sure wish my mailbox was stuffed full of all the free checks from the federal govt.

[The Duck Hammer]

you and aunt betty need to get over the monsanto will take your farm bullshit.

Its not bullshit, it has happened in the past over supposedly stealing their patented crops.

[jarbo03]

I'd right and pass my own bill making basketball America's official pastime

Traitor

[one2many]

you and aunt betty need to get over the monsanto will take your farm bullshit.

Its not bullshit, it has happened in the past over supposedly stealing their patented crops.

not like what betty and idaho say not even close!!!!!!
full disclosure i do plant a shit load of dekalb and asgrow

[The Duck Hammer]

you and aunt betty need to get over the monsanto will take your farm bullshit.

Its not bullshit, it has happened in the past over supposedly stealing their patented crops.

not like what betty and idaho say not even close!!!!!!
full disclosure i do plant a shit load of dekalb and asgrow

Didn't know what you were saying there. My bad, continue on.

[one2many]

you and aunt betty need to get over the monsanto will take your farm bullshit.

Its not bullshit, it has happened in the past over supposedly stealing their patented crops.

when you buy seeds from them or bayer or who ever. you sign a contract to not save and replant any patented seed variety. if you dont honor your agreement then you should get your ass sued.the "drift" thing happens how often? any proof of this?plus aunt betty saying the farm crisis of the 80s was to do with monsanto is plan ass fucking wrong. nothing about it was due to monsanto or bayer or the others
yes i agree big ag has us by the balls

[one2many]

you and aunt betty need to get over the monsanto will take your farm bullshit.

Its not bullshit, it has happened in the past over supposedly stealing their patented crops.

not like what betty and idaho say not even close!!!!!!
full disclosure i do plant a shit load of dekalb and asgrow

Didn't know what you were saying there. My bad, continue on.

you are good Hammer. they do sue people its a fact!
im not happy about it but it is what it is. i also dont know anybody that keeps seeds to plant. that went out of fashion years ago

[The Duck Hammer]

you and aunt betty need to get over the monsanto will take your farm bullshit.

Its not bullshit, it has happened in the past over supposedly stealing their patented crops.

when you buy seeds from them or bayer or who ever. you sign a contract to not save and replant any patented seed variety. if you dont honor your agreement then you should get your ass sued.the "drift" thing happens how often? any proof of this?plus aunt betty saying the farm crisis of the 80s was to do with monsanto is plan ass fucking wrong. nothing about it was due to monsanto or bayer or the others
yes i agree big ag has us by the balls

The drift happened a lot when they first started. A lot of the bigger farms planted the gmo seeds right across the fence from family farms, then the seed companies came out and tested the adjacent farms and sued them for everything they owned. Don't have the actual statistics on it.

[The Duck Hammer]

you and aunt betty need to get over the monsanto will take your farm bullshit.

Its not bullshit, it has happened in the past over supposedly stealing their patented crops.

not like what betty and idaho say not even close!!!!!!
full disclosure i do plant a shit load of dekalb and asgrow

Didn't know what you were saying there. My bad, continue on.

you are good Hammer. they do sue people its a fact!
im not happy about it but it is what it is. i also dont know anybody that keeps seeds to plant. that went out of fashion years ago

That's what stopped the problem of drifting. People realized they had to change.

[one2many]

you and aunt betty need to get over the monsanto will take your farm bullshit.

Its not bullshit, it has happened in the past over supposedly stealing their patented crops.

when you buy seeds from them or bayer or who ever. you sign a contract to not save and replant any patented seed variety. if you dont honor your agreement then you should get your ass sued.the "drift" thing happens how often? any proof of this?plus aunt betty saying the farm crisis of the 80s was to do with monsanto is plan ass fucking wrong. nothing about it was due to monsanto or bayer or the others
yes i agree big ag has us by the balls

The drift happened a lot when they first started. A lot of the bigger farms planted the gmo seeds right across the fence from family farms, then the seed companies came out and tested the adjacent farms and sued them for everything they owned. Don't have the actual statistics on it.

living and working in the best of the corn belt,i never seen it nor seen proof of it. only way they could take action is if they planted the seed the next year.even then its so rare i cant find an actual number of Drift lawsuits.

[one2many]

That's what stopped the problem of drifting. People realized they had to change.

keeping and planting your own died out because a need to have higher yields and new varieties that better handle weather changes,bugs, weeds and everything else. planting the same thing year after year after year will bite you in the ass hard

[The Duck Hammer]

That's what stopped the problem of drifting. People realized they had to change.

keeping and planting your own died out because a need to have higher yields and new varieties that better handle weather changes,bugs, weeds and everything else. planting the same thing year after year after year will bite you in the ass hard

Gotcha

[one2many]

but, fuck monsanto anyway.my father and uncle were pioneer seed dealers in back in the day.pioneer and the old man had a huge falling out when they wanted dad to buy a franchise to stay a dealer.we havent planted anything of theirs since

not as sever as people make it out to be, when talking monsanto
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/0 ... t-monsanto




A New York federal court today dismissed a lawsuit against agribusiness giant Monsanto brought by thousands of certified organic farmers. The farmers hoped the suit would protect them against infringing on the company's crop patents in the future.

The Organic Seed Growers and Trade Association and several other growers and organizations do not use Monsanto seeds. But they were betting that the judge would agree that Monsanto should not be allowed to sue them if pollen from the company's patented crops happened to drift into their fields.

Instead, the judge found that plaintiffs' allegations were "unsubstantiated ... given that not one single plaintiff claims to have been so threatened." The ruling also found that the plaintiffs had "overstate[d] the magnitude of [Monsanto's] patent enforcement." Monsanto brings an average of 13 patent-enforcement lawsuits per year, which, the judge said, "is hardly significant when compared to the number of farms in the United States, approximately two million."

The company, meanwhile, asserts that it doesn't exercise its patent rights when trace amounts of its patented traits inadvertently end up in farmers' fields.

Dan Ravicher, executive director of the Public Patent Foundation and lead lawyer for the plaintiffs, told The Salt that Monsanto remains a "patent bully" and that the judge's decision was "gravely disappointing." The plaintiffs have not yet decided if they will appeal.

Much of the corn, soy, canola and cotton grown in the U.S. is genetically modified. Among them, corn is the most likely to cross-pollinate with plants in nearby fields. That means that genes from genetically modified crops can drift or "trespass" into organic fields.

As Dan Charles reported last year, most organic corn in the U.S. typically contains anywhere from half a percent to 2 percent GMOs, according to companies that sell such corn to organic dairies or poultry farmers. It has been that way since genetically engineered corn and soybeans came into wide use more than a decade ago.

But organic farmers say that GMO contamination could hurt the value of their crop, and they fear lawsuits from Monsanto for possessing their GM genes without paying for them. The documentary Food Inc. portrayed the company as aggressively suing farmers who save its patented seed.

Last year, the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Advisory Committee on Biotechnology in the 21st Century began discussing ways to protect organic farmers from contamination.


"Beyond whatever happens with this suit, there are some very legitimate issues behind it," Doug Gurian-Sherman, a senior scientist with the Union of Concerned Scientists, tells The Salt. "There is already a significant burden to organic food production, and there is more coming. It raises the question: Is it possible for organic agriculture to survive in the face of GM crops?"

Monsanto sees it differently, however. In a statement on the judge's decision, executive vice president David F. Snively said, "This decision is a win for all farmers as it underscores that agricultural practices such as ag biotechnology, organic and conventional systems do and will continue to effectively coexist in the agricultural marketplace."

[one2many]

why we talking this shit!!!!!
its friday night where are all the other fuckers with no life tonight

[The Duck Hammer]

Just to sum it up real quick, its been a few years since I looked into all that crap so I might be getting things mixed around.

[one2many]

Just to sum it up real quick, its been a few years since I looked into all that crap so I might be getting things mixed around.

its all good Hammer i wasnt meaning to take this out on you. sorry. mostly was aimed at idaho for letting shit fall out of his mouth that he knows nothing about

[The Duck Hammer]

Just to sum it up real quick, its been a few years since I looked into all that crap so I might be getting things mixed around.

its all good Hammer i wasnt meaning to take this out on you. sorry. mostly was aimed at idaho for letting shit fall out of his mouth that he knows nothing about

Its all good. Never a bad thing to be more educated about things.

[The Duck Hammer]

Except when it comes to restaurants. Then you might not want to eat there anymore.

[rebelp74]

fear and loathing in the white house

^^^THIS^^^