If you were elected President

[one2many]

Except when it comes to restaurants. Then you might not want to eat there anymore.

had a friend in high school that worked at Hardees. the shit he did to peoples food made it hard to ever eat there again. to this day i never send food back to the kitchen, in any restaurant.

[(MT)Montanafowler]

so you want all small family farms gobbled up by the large "corporate farms". the small family farms are the ones that cant compete and are disappearing!
i would like your definition of a corporate farm.seeing as almost all family farms are INCs and LLCs and the like.
and what do you feel the states should regulate?

quite the contrary, I think that small farms are held to a standard that they can't survive in, hence why they are going under and being bought out. How are you supposed to grow crops when Monsanto can sue you for everything you're worth because of seed (genetic) drift? The farmer doesn't see more than 8 percent of the profit, most of it goes into the market. I consider farms in excess of 10,000 acres corporate. Places like that are diverse enough that they should be able to stand on their own, without subsidies. Farming practices need to change if we're ever going to have sustainable farming, we need to foster the ag industry by supporting and buying from the smaller farmers who are working toward sustainable farming practices and integrated agroecology. States should regulate whatever the federal system currently regulates, Like jehler said, the federal government is for protection and interstate commerce, we probably can't get back to just those, but the closer the better.

with out subsides the small family farm wouldnt survive. take it away and they are failing.
you and aunt betty need to get over the monsanto will take your farm bullshit.
why 10k acres?,an INC is an INC. just what do you consider sustainable farming practices?
"we need to foster the ag industry by supporting and buying from the smaller farmers" sure then listen to everyone bitch about the cost of bread and milk. half the people bitch about the rich farmer getting all this money handed out to them. sure wish my mailbox was stuffed full of all the free checks from the federal govt.

dude, you bitch a lot against someone who is proposing a possible alternative to the already failing standard. What I am saying is that there is a threshold that divides large corporate farms versus "average joe" farms, and that our current regulation favors the larger of the two. I didn't say take away subsides for the smaller farms, i'm proposing two different brackets to fall into. Monsanto has won several cases against the "little guy" and taken everything he's worth. i have never once bitched about the price of bread nor milk. i make my own bread, and i don't really drink (or buy) milk because i'm lactose intolerant. someone will always bitch, fact of the matter is that the farmer doesn't get shit for shineola.

[DeadEye_Dan]

I'll answer the drift question for you.

1) the required setback for raising seed corn is 200 feet. That means that in order to get a contract to grow seed, you need a 200 ft buffer in all directions around your field that contains no other corn.
2) just having a field of a patented variety next to your field would not cross pollinate the entire field. If the buffer of 200 ft is acceptable for growing seed, it's probably double what pollen would actually cover, as a safety zone.
3) If anyone was actually sued and lost, it wasn't because they had a mixed variety, cross pollinated, seed in their field. It was because they had the genetically original seeds planted in their field, without permission of the patent holder.
Anyone with a elementary school grasp of biology understands it.
If you and your neighbor are both banging your wife, in your bed, and she gets pregnant, the offspring only has 2 parents. It doesn't matter who's bed (field) it was in. However a DNA test will determine which father is paying child support for the baby (seed).
I absolutely promise you that they can determine the genetic strains of a seed in a laboratory.

[DeadEye_Dan]

so you want all small family farms gobbled up by the large "corporate farms". the small family farms are the ones that cant compete and are disappearing!
i would like your definition of a corporate farm.seeing as almost all family farms are INCs and LLCs and the like.
and what do you feel the states should regulate?

quite the contrary, I think that small farms are held to a standard that they can't survive in, hence why they are going under and being bought out. How are you supposed to grow crops when Monsanto can sue you for everything you're worth because of seed (genetic) drift? The farmer doesn't see more than 8 percent of the profit, most of it goes into the market. I consider farms in excess of 10,000 acres corporate. Places like that are diverse enough that they should be able to stand on their own, without subsidies. Farming practices need to change if we're ever going to have sustainable farming, we need to foster the ag industry by supporting and buying from the smaller farmers who are working toward sustainable farming practices and integrated agroecology. States should regulate whatever the federal system currently regulates, Like jehler said, the federal government is for protection and interstate commerce, we probably can't get back to just those, but the closer the better.

This is quite possibly the most backassward thing I've ever read on this site.

I've got news for you. The govt isn't keeping the 10,000 acre farmer in business. Those guys are sharks. They would love nothing more than the govt to stay the fuck out of their way and stop subsidizing everything. If they did that, the little farms would be gone faster than a blink of an eye.

The big are going to get bigger and the small are going to be acquired and or pushed out. Agriculture is no different than any other industry when it comes to economics.

what i mean is that they need two different levels of regulation. The system in place favors the large "corporate" farms. I'm saying stop subsidizing the farms over 10,000 acres. They are diverse enough to hold their own.

Dan, you and I are in agreement. maybe i worded my last post poorly, and granted, i am not a farmer so i don't know all the ins and outs. But to protect the smaller farms from being absorbed, we should break it into two separate entities of the ag industry. You can't compare a 450 acre farm to something like the Wheat Montana corporation. there are two totally different playing fields that need to be evaluated.

if i'm totally off base, let me know.

Why subsidize either of them?

This is The United States of America.
You are free to make your choices and live with the consequences.

Joe Farmer gets up in the morning and surveys his 400 acres and decides what to do with his day.

John Farmer gets up in the morning and surveys his 16,000 acres and decides what to do with his day.

They both have the same opportunity.

They both have what they have because it's exactly what they chose. If they want something different, then they have to make adjustments, take risks, and bust their ass. Same as any other American.

If Joe or John call me and ask for help, I'll ask the same question within the first 15 minutes. "So why did you choose to get into farming??"

99.9% of the time the "Joes" answer it one of two ways. A) "My family has farmed this land for xxx years. It's just kind of in my blood" or B) "because I was too stupid to do anything else"

90% of the time the "Johns" answer it this way - "Because I can make a lot of money and I enjoy this work"

Guess who I'm going to do business with?



The playing fields are exactly the same. Every 10,000 acre farm was a 100 acre farm at some point.
Every major automotive manufacturer was a little shop at some point.
Every hospital was a doctors office at some point.
Every big bank with offices in 60 countries was a little bank with one office once.
We shouldn't subsidize ANY of those.


Why the fuck should I pump money into a little farmer who doesn't have the drive, desire, business savvy, or ambition to make his business better??

What you are suggesting is communism.

Let the strong survive. Let the weak/lazy/stupid find something else to do.

And before you start making excuses for the little farmer -

One of my best friends is a guy who immigrated here 37 years ago at age 10 with his family. They did not own a farm. He graduated high school at 18. At at age 20 he bought 10 cows and started a little dairy farm.
Today, 27 years after buying his first cow, he owns about 8,000. And farms about 9,000 acres. And owns a transport fleet that hauls milk and feed commodities all over the Eastern US. Last year he bought a Peterbilt dealership. With all his business enterprises, he employs about 200 people. And he started from nothing.

Guess how much government subsidy he took last year?? $0. He's so opposed to the program, he won't even buy crop insurance. He buys irrigation instead.


Don't tell me that the little guy can't play in the big leagues.

[assateague]

He buys irrigation so that when he does decide to buy crop insurance, he can get double for a failure, even if the pivots were never turned on

[DeadEye_Dan]

He buys irrigation so that when he does decide to buy crop insurance, he can get double for a failure, even if the pivots were never turned on

He buys pivots so he can put 250bu corn in a pile to feed his cows in 2012 whilst everyone else was bemoaning the drought.
Then he sold about 35,000 tons of excess corn silage during the '12-13 winter to guys who needed feed - but hey, they had crop insurance.

[assateague]

Around here, Perdue buys a very large share of the crop, either through contract or straight to the mill. I believe they are down around $4.45 now, and still hitting them hard on moisture and foreign matter (even counting crushed corn as "foreign matter" ). Last week, they stopped buying anything over 14% on Friday at noon, since they knew the price was getting cut again. That seemed to be the final straw for most, who are now taking it to Mountaire or Amick, and Perdue is crying the blues because they aren't coming close to meeting their grain quotas. It's different here than there, I imagine, because nobody grows for their own. No cows to speak of. A lot have put in tanks, though, and are sitting on it until Spring, much to Perdue's chagrin.

Sucks when you expect capitalism to only work in one direction I suppose

[DeadEye_Dan]

Yep.

A lot of these row crop produces have stuck recent profits into storage steel.

My prediction isn't that the low price wont occur at harvest this year. I'm betting that everyone stores it, waiting for a higher price as then blows it out next spring when they need money to plant. I'm betting March and April corn is sub $4

[Juice Box]

No joke my first act would be to solicit and support bills to close the IRS and move this country to a fair tax.

Sent from my phone.

you would need assa or WFM as your VP.. maybe Red.. gotta make assaination not an option..

i think assa for vp.. wfm as sec of state..

kick the UN out of the US..

I'd nominate Boot as the Chief of the United States Police Department

Can I be an officer assigned to the gangster elimination division? If so I'd need lots of buck shot .223 ammo and hand grenades!


Merica!

[rebelp74]

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[one2many]

so you want all small family farms gobbled up by the large "corporate farms". the small family farms are the ones that cant compete and are disappearing!
i would like your definition of a corporate farm.seeing as almost all family farms are INCs and LLCs and the like.
and what do you feel the states should regulate?

quite the contrary, I think that small farms are held to a standard that they can't survive in, hence why they are going under and being bought out. How are you supposed to grow crops when Monsanto can sue you for everything you're worth because of seed (genetic) drift? The farmer doesn't see more than 8 percent of the profit, most of it goes into the market. I consider farms in excess of 10,000 acres corporate. Places like that are diverse enough that they should be able to stand on their own, without subsidies. Farming practices need to change if we're ever going to have sustainable farming, we need to foster the ag industry by supporting and buying from the smaller farmers who are working toward sustainable farming practices and integrated agroecology. States should regulate whatever the federal system currently regulates, Like jehler said, the federal government is for protection and interstate commerce, we probably can't get back to just those, but the closer the better.

with out subsides the small family farm wouldnt survive. take it away and they are failing.
you and aunt betty need to get over the monsanto will take your farm bullshit.
why 10k acres?,an INC is an INC. just what do you consider sustainable farming practices?
"we need to foster the ag industry by supporting and buying from the smaller farmers" sure then listen to everyone bitch about the cost of bread and milk. half the people bitch about the rich farmer getting all this money handed out to them. sure wish my mailbox was stuffed full of all the free checks from the federal govt.

dude, you bitch a lot against someone who is proposing a possible alternative to the already failing standard. What I am saying is that there is a threshold that divides large corporate farms versus "average joe" farms, and that our current regulation favors the larger of the two. I didn't say take away subsides for the smaller farms, i'm proposing two different brackets to fall into. Monsanto has won several cases against the "little guy" and taken everything he's worth. i have never once bitched about the price of bread nor milk. i make my own bread, and i don't really drink (or buy) milk because i'm lactose intolerant. someone will always bitch, fact of the matter is that the farmer doesn't get shit for shineola.

average joe farm will get more direct payment then i will. im all for the small family farm but since i exceed your limit of 10k im an evil corporate farm. you really dont know what the fuck you are talking about. since monsanto does all this evil shit you speak of you can find it for me.
i posted a link to story about the subject. your turn.

[one2many]

Dan i would hire your ass in a minute. the money side of things are where im lacking. i was hoping the kid would go to school for it and return to take over for mom and dad. she dont care about it. selling everything off and bitching about monsanto is the only option i have at this time

[one2many]

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lmfao