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Re: Serious Question

Postby assateague » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:41 pm

This is the site for the polymer 80% frame. I suppose it may not actually be 180 days, but I suspect it would be close.

http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/rudius1911
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Re: Serious Question

Postby assateague » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:41 pm

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The Duck Hammer wrote:Are you going to buy a jig or try and do it freehanded?



If I can get a polymer lower, I'll do it myself. That should put me around $500, finished.


EP said they were working on a polymer frame but it doesn't look like they figured that out yet. It doesn't look like its going to be easy to do a metal frame at all.



i saw that, too, and I wish they would. I'm pleased with their AR lower.
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Re: Serious Question

Postby The Duck Hammer » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:45 pm

assateague wrote:This is the site for the polymer 80% frame. I suppose it may not actually be 180 days, but I suspect it would be close.

http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/rudius1911


Interesting, says the upper part is steel so wouldn't you run into the same problems?
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Re: Serious Question

Postby huntall6 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:46 pm

assateague wrote:
The Duck Hammer wrote:
assateague wrote:
The Duck Hammer wrote:Are you going to buy a jig or try and do it freehanded?



If I can get a polymer lower, I'll do it myself. That should put me around $500, finished.


EP said they were working on a polymer frame but it doesn't look like they figured that out yet. It doesn't look like its going to be easy to do a metal frame at all.



i saw that, too, and I wish they would. I'm pleased with their AR lower.


why the heck would you want a poly lower?? if you mess it up, you are out a frame. if you mess a steel frame up, weld metal back on and start over.
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Re: Serious Question

Postby assateague » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:47 pm

Easier to mill.
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Re: Serious Question

Postby The Duck Hammer » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:48 pm

huntall6 wrote:
assateague wrote:
The Duck Hammer wrote:
assateague wrote:
The Duck Hammer wrote:Are you going to buy a jig or try and do it freehanded?



If I can get a polymer lower, I'll do it myself. That should put me around $500, finished.


EP said they were working on a polymer frame but it doesn't look like they figured that out yet. It doesn't look like its going to be easy to do a metal frame at all.



i saw that, too, and I wish they would. I'm pleased with their AR lower.


why the heck would you want a poly lower?? if you mess it up, you are out a frame. if you mess a steel frame up, weld metal back on and start over.


I don't have a CNC and I don't think sitting there with a file is going to work.
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Re: Serious Question

Postby (MT)Montanafowler » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:49 pm

huntall6 wrote:Ron, the point of getting this frame and building your own 1911 is that it technically will not exist. the 80% lower (frame) for a 1911 is no different than buying a piece of angle iron from menards. no. records. period.


hey hunt, what's the difference in a series 70 and series 80 1911 versus the original design? i know that the 80 has a blockout sort of deal that makes it impossible for the hammer to accidentally hit the firing pin while the safety is engaged, but that's about it.

the reason i ask is that assa's link is pre series 70
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Re: Serious Question

Postby aunt betty » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:49 pm

huntall6 wrote:
assateague wrote:
The Duck Hammer wrote:
assateague wrote:
The Duck Hammer wrote:Are you going to buy a jig or try and do it freehanded?



If I can get a polymer lower, I'll do it myself. That should put me around $500, finished.


EP said they were working on a polymer frame but it doesn't look like they figured that out yet. It doesn't look like its going to be easy to do a metal frame at all.



i saw that, too, and I wish they would. I'm pleased with their AR lower.


why the heck would you want a poly lower?? if you mess it up, you are out a frame. if you mess a steel frame up, weld metal back on and start over.

Suppose you assemble the firearm that has no serial number and get caught carrying it in Champaign.

Do you think the police would assume you had a hot gun, had filed off the numbers, and charge you with a Class X Felony?

I mean, are you sure it's a good idea?
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Re: Serious Question

Postby huntall6 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:50 pm

but if i were going the dremmel route, there would be a MUCH greater risk of an over cut (i dont have a mill). so if i fucked up a steel frame, out comes the welder to add material back. if i had fucked up a poly frame, i am out money.
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Re: Serious Question

Postby assateague » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:51 pm

The Duck Hammer wrote:
assateague wrote:This is the site for the polymer 80% frame. I suppose it may not actually be 180 days, but I suspect it would be close.

http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/rudius1911


Interesting, says the upper part is steel so wouldn't you run into the same problems?



I think they are referring to all the parts you put on it, so dumbasses don't think they're buying a completely plastic gun. I could be wrong, but watching their YouTube, it appears that the frame is 100% polymer, at least the parts you have to mill. Like a Glock.


And the fact that this is on their website makes me want to buy one from them even more:

SEVERAL YEARS AGO we had a person of Arabic descent make threatening remarks on our Facebook page. We held a competition to see who could draw a nice picture of Muhammad in a "culturally embarrassing situation" and posted the winning picture on our Facebook page. This picture is not suitable for work (NSFW) and can be viewed on our website. If you would like to see the picture NSFW we posted, please click here.


I don't want Olly to have a Fatwa declared on him, so I'll hold off on the pic. It's not that good, really, but it is amusing that they did it in the first place.
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Re: Serious Question

Postby assateague » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:52 pm

huntall6 wrote:but if i were going the dremmel route, there would be a MUCH greater risk of an over cut (i dont have a mill). so if i fucked up a steel frame, out comes the welder to add material back. if i had fucked up a poly frame, i am out money.



Well, don't fuck it up, Sally.
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Re: Serious Question

Postby huntall6 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:53 pm

aunt betty wrote:
huntall6 wrote:
assateague wrote:
The Duck Hammer wrote:
assateague wrote:
The Duck Hammer wrote:Are you going to buy a jig or try and do it freehanded?



If I can get a polymer lower, I'll do it myself. That should put me around $500, finished.


EP said they were working on a polymer frame but it doesn't look like they figured that out yet. It doesn't look like its going to be easy to do a metal frame at all.



i saw that, too, and I wish they would. I'm pleased with their AR lower.


why the heck would you want a poly lower?? if you mess it up, you are out a frame. if you mess a steel frame up, weld metal back on and start over.

Suppose you assemble the firearm that has no serial number and get caught carrying it in Champaign.

Do you think the police would assume you had a hot gun, had filed off the numbers, and charge you with a Class X Felony?

I mean, are you sure it's a good idea?


if i am carrying this gun, the police would be the least of my problems.
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Re: Serious Question

Postby huntall6 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:54 pm

assateague wrote:
huntall6 wrote:but if i were going the dremmel route, there would be a MUCH greater risk of an over cut (i dont have a mill). so if i fucked up a steel frame, out comes the welder to add material back. if i had fucked up a poly frame, i am out money.



Well, don't fuck it up, Sally.


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Re: Serious Question

Postby huntall6 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:54 pm

(MT)Montanafowler wrote:
huntall6 wrote:Ron, the point of getting this frame and building your own 1911 is that it technically will not exist. the 80% lower (frame) for a 1911 is no different than buying a piece of angle iron from menards. no. records. period.


hey hunt, what's the difference in a series 70 and series 80 1911 versus the original design? i know that the 80 has a blockout sort of deal that makes it impossible for the hammer to accidentally hit the firing pin while the safety is engaged, but that's about it.

the reason i ask is that assa's link is pre series 70


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Re: Serious Question

Postby The Duck Hammer » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:55 pm

assateague wrote:
The Duck Hammer wrote:
assateague wrote:This is the site for the polymer 80% frame. I suppose it may not actually be 180 days, but I suspect it would be close.

http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/rudius1911


Interesting, says the upper part is steel so wouldn't you run into the same problems?



I think they are referring to all the parts you put on it, so dumbasses don't think they're buying a completely plastic gun. I could be wrong, but watching their YouTube, it appears that the frame is 100% polymer, at least the parts you have to mill. Like a Glock.


And the fact that this is on their website makes me want to buy one from them even more:

SEVERAL YEARS AGO we had a person of Arabic descent make threatening remarks on our Facebook page. We held a competition to see who could draw a nice picture of Muhammad in a "culturally embarrassing situation" and posted the winning picture on our Facebook page. This picture is not suitable for work (NSFW) and can be viewed on our website. If you would like to see the picture NSFW we posted, please click here.


I don't want Olly to have a Fatwa declared on him, so I'll hold off on the pic. It's not that good, really, but it is amusing that they did it in the first place.


Looks like steel/polymer to me.

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Re: Serious Question

Postby huntall6 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:00 pm

huntall6 wrote:
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huntall6 wrote:Ron, the point of getting this frame and building your own 1911 is that it technically will not exist. the 80% lower (frame) for a 1911 is no different than buying a piece of angle iron from menards. no. records. period.


hey hunt, what's the difference in a series 70 and series 80 1911 versus the original design? i know that the 80 has a blockout sort of deal that makes it impossible for the hammer to accidentally hit the firing pin while the safety is engaged, but that's about it.

the reason i ask is that assa's link is pre series 70


hold on.


70 on the left, 80 on the right. The little plunger goes into a groove in the firing pin when the safety is on, preventing it from moving shoul it get hit. It's a feel good measure that just means more parts to break. That said, I haven't had an issue with either of my series 80's.
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Re: Serious Question

Postby (MT)Montanafowler » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:08 pm

huntall6 wrote:
huntall6 wrote:
(MT)Montanafowler wrote:
huntall6 wrote:Ron, the point of getting this frame and building your own 1911 is that it technically will not exist. the 80% lower (frame) for a 1911 is no different than buying a piece of angle iron from menards. no. records. period.


hey hunt, what's the difference in a series 70 and series 80 1911 versus the original design? i know that the 80 has a blockout sort of deal that makes it impossible for the hammer to accidentally hit the firing pin while the safety is engaged, but that's about it.

the reason i ask is that assa's link is pre series 70


hold on.


70 on the left, 80 on the right. The little plunger goes into a groove in the firing pin when the safety is on, preventing it from moving shoul it get hit. It's a feel good measure that just means more parts to break. That said, I haven't had an issue with either of my series 80's.
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ah i see. Rems are series 80, which i thought was the case. btw, found another reason to hate Rem, the fucking barrel bushing won't budge unless you have that gay wrench thing.

do you have dual springs on the 80?
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Re: Serious Question

Postby huntall6 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:12 pm

both of my 80's are 3" barrels so yeah, they have duel springs. they also dont have barrel bushings or the standard "motionless" (dont know if thats what its called) barrel. most of the feed ramp is on the barrel instead of being split between the frame and the barrel.
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Re: Serious Question

Postby (MT)Montanafowler » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:17 pm

huntall6 wrote:both of my 80's are 3" barrels so yeah, they have duel springs. they also dont have barrel bushings or the standard "motionless" (dont know if thats what its called) barrel. most of the feed ramp is on the barrel instead of being split between the frame and the barrel.


hmm, i wonder if that's why so many people have reliability issues with the compact 1911s. i didn't know about the dual spring deal, that's kind of cool :thumbsup:
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Re: Serious Question

Postby huntall6 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:21 pm

i dont know if all of them are that way, just the ones i have seen. my colt (9mm, more the wife's than mine :( ) will eat anything from hollow points to blazer aluminum. my para, 45, is picky when it comes to ammo and mags. has to be WWB or remmington green/white box with factory mags or kimber mags (all i have for high price mags). it HATES promag, ACT mags, and federal ammo.
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Re: Serious Question

Postby assateague » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:24 pm

aunt betty wrote:Suppose you assemble the firearm that has no serial number and get caught carrying it in Champaign.

Do you think the police would assume you had a hot gun, had filed off the numbers, and charge you with a Class X Felony?

I mean, are you sure it's a good idea?



I don't give a damn what the city of Champaign says. They may charge me with whatever they want, but I'll get off, and then sue the city of Champaign. Because the ATF says that it's perfectly fine to build your own gun, serial number and FFL-free.

per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.
The GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3), defines the term “firearm” to include the following:
… (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may be readily converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive: (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.

Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future.

With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a non-licensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semi-automatic rifle or non-sporting shotgun from imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machine gun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a Federal or State agency.

[18 U.S.C. 922(o) and (r), 26 U.S.C. 5822, 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and 479.105]



http://www.atf.gov/faq-page/316#t316n11091
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Re: Serious Question

Postby aunt betty » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:26 pm

assateague wrote:
aunt betty wrote:Suppose you assemble the firearm that has no serial number and get caught carrying it in Champaign.

Do you think the police would assume you had a hot gun, had filed off the numbers, and charge you with a Class X Felony?

I mean, are you sure it's a good idea?



I don't give a damn what the city of Champaign says. They may charge me with whatever they want, but I'll get off, and then sue the city of Champaign. Because the ATF says that it's perfectly fine to build your own gun, serial number and FFL-free.

per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.
The GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3), defines the term “firearm” to include the following:
… (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may be readily converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive: (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.

Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future.

With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a non-licensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semi-automatic rifle or non-sporting shotgun from imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machine gun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a Federal or State agency.

[18 U.S.C. 922(o) and (r), 26 U.S.C. 5822, 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and 479.105]



http://www.atf.gov/faq-page/316#t316n11091

I'm no gun expert and laws are kind of fuzzy to me. Hehe

Gettin all wordy an shit...
I'm pretty sure removing the numbers is a no no.
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Re: Serious Question

Postby (MT)Montanafowler » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:27 pm

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Re: Serious Question

Postby assateague » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:28 pm

Betty, removing numbers is a no-no. But not having any numbers in the first place place because you built it yourself is fine, as long as you don't sell it.
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Re: Serious Question

Postby huntall6 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:29 pm

aunt betty wrote:
assateague wrote:
aunt betty wrote:Suppose you assemble the firearm that has no serial number and get caught carrying it in Champaign.

Do you think the police would assume you had a hot gun, had filed off the numbers, and charge you with a Class X Felony?

I mean, are you sure it's a good idea?



I don't give a damn what the city of Champaign says. They may charge me with whatever they want, but I'll get off, and then sue the city of Champaign. Because the ATF says that it's perfectly fine to build your own gun, serial number and FFL-free.

per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.
The GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3), defines the term “firearm” to include the following:
… (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may be readily converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive: (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.

Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future.

With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a non-licensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semi-automatic rifle or non-sporting shotgun from imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machine gun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a Federal or State agency.

[18 U.S.C. 922(o) and (r), 26 U.S.C. 5822, 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and 479.105]



http://www.atf.gov/faq-page/316#t316n11091

I'm no gun expert and laws are kind of fuzzy to me. Hehe

Gettin all wordy an shit...
I'm pretty sure removing the numbers is a no no.


it has no #'s to start.
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Re: Serious Question

Postby huntall6 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:30 pm

assateague wrote:Betty, removing numbers is a no-no. But not having any numbers in the first place place because you built it yourself is fine, as long as you don't sell it.


technically, you can sell it. you just cant have intent to sell it when you build it. thats how i percieve the law anyway.


and i would never sell a gun that doesnt exist......
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Re: Serious Question

Postby assateague » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:34 pm

Yeah, that'd be silly.
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Re: Serious Question

Postby aunt betty » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:35 pm

I kind of wonder what's so special about building a gun that has no numbers?

I think I have a pretty good idea...to hide.

Now, how do you hide a gun from today's technology. You bury it, they'll find it, hide it in wall, they'll find it.

Where?
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Re: Serious Question

Postby (MT)Montanafowler » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:36 pm

aunt betty wrote:I kind of wonder what's so special about building a gun that has no numbers?

I think I have a pretty good idea...to hide.

Now, how do you hide a gun from today's technology. You bury it, they'll find it, hide it in wall, they'll find it.

Where?


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Re: Serious Question

Postby aunt betty » Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:36 pm

Plus you can't hide the ammo.
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