The campaign is heating up!

[Olly]

where do you or I get the right to tell someone else what they can or can't put in their own bodies, and where do they get the right to expect us to pay for their self inflicted medical issues?

Did we just become best friends?

[Goldfish]

WAIT did everyone here think I was a Mexican? Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Your mustache made me think it

[clampdaddy]

where do you or I get the right to tell someone else what they can or can't put in their own bodies, and where do they get the right to expect us to pay for their self inflicted medical issues?

Did we just become best friends?

[Glimmerjim]

....And who is going to be financially responsible for the resultant health issues? A destitute, sneak-thief plagued by an addiction, or society in general?

If not for socialised medicine, the problem would work itself out in short order. This isn't a drug that has to be smuggled into our country. It's made in people kitchens out of stuff you can buy at the store. Right now, anyone that wants to do meth, can do meth and is doing meth. Don't get me wrong. It's fucking putrid and I wish there was a way that we could make it disappear, but where do you or I get the right to tell someone else what they can or can't put in their own bodies, and where do they get the right to expect us to pay for their self inflicted medical issues?

They do not necessarily expect the right to be cared for, cd, but ultimately who does? Rising medical care costs, rising insurance costs? Do the indigent cover their share of that?

[Glimmerjim]

Jesus man. Run on sentences.... I'll sum up your last post for everyone else because I'm most certainly the only one dumb enough to try and read it.

You're a socialist.

I didn't realize we had such a strict grammar policy here, Olly. In the future I will pay more attention to grammar than content, since those with no actual intellectual rebuttal always fall back on spelling, grammar, or irrelevant asides.
To attempt to rid the country of easy access to a drug with NO redeeming values and a myriad of negative results is not "Socialist". It is common sense. Not to mention that "socialism" is a political construct that in it's essence does no more to restrict a person's access to drugs than a democratic republic.
I think you are attempting to conflate terms much the same way as your grandfather did. Anyone of like mind was a "communist". It didn't matter if they supported ecology, integration, civill rights, or women voting...if they disagreed with you, they were damned Communists.
You have just found a less publically recognized ignorant term.
Was the grammar better, or did I miss a comma you can focus on instead of the issue?

By the way, if you're a proponent, let me know. I have access that we can hook your kids up with in no time

I will agree with you on one point however, "because I'm most certainly the only one dumb enough". No real surprises there.

[clampdaddy]

....And who is going to be financially responsible for the resultant health issues? A destitute, sneak-thief plagued by an addiction, or society in general?

If not for socialised medicine, the problem would work itself out in short order. This isn't a drug that has to be smuggled into our country. It's made in people kitchens out of stuff you can buy at the store. Right now, anyone that wants to do meth, can do meth and is doing meth. Don't get me wrong. It's fucking putrid and I wish there was a way that we could make it disappear, but where do you or I get the right to tell someone else what they can or can't put in their own bodies, and where do they get the right to expect us to pay for their self inflicted medical issues?

They do not necessarily expect the right to be cared for, cd, but ultimately who does? Rising medical care costs, rising insurance costs? Do the indigent cover their share of that?

We're not talking about all of the poor in general. We're talking about people who have made a decision knowing where it would probably lead. If they go to the emergency room knowing full well that they aren't going to pay for their medical care then they do in fact expect someone else (us) to pay for it. It's a sad thing, no doubt about it, but the term "bitter pill to swallow" fits.

[Olly]

....And who is going to be financially responsible for the resultant health issues? A destitute, sneak-thief plagued by an addiction, or society in general?

If not for socialised medicine, the problem would work itself out in short order. This isn't a drug that has to be smuggled into our country. It's made in people kitchens out of stuff you can buy at the store. Right now, anyone that wants to do meth, can do meth and is doing meth. Don't get me wrong. It's fucking putrid and I wish there was a way that we could make it disappear, but where do you or I get the right to tell someone else what they can or can't put in their own bodies, and where do they get the right to expect us to pay for their self inflicted medical issues?

They do not necessarily expect the right to be cared for, cd, but ultimately who does? Rising medical care costs, rising insurance costs? Do the indigent cover their share of that?

We're not talking about all of the poor in general. We're talking about people who have made a decision knowing where it would probably lead. If they go to the emergency room knowing full well that they aren't going to pay for their medical care then they do in fact expect someone else (us) to pay for it. It's a sad thing, no doubt about it, but the term "bitter pill to swallow" fits.

Clamp in true liberal fashion he's going to pull out the "so you're going to let people die" card next. Just wait.

[FlintRiverFowler]

....And who is going to be financially responsible for the resultant health issues? A destitute, sneak-thief plagued by an addiction, or society in general?

If not for socialised medicine, the problem would work itself out in short order. This isn't a drug that has to be smuggled into our country. It's made in people kitchens out of stuff you can buy at the store. Right now, anyone that wants to do meth, can do meth and is doing meth. Don't get me wrong. It's fucking putrid and I wish there was a way that we could make it disappear, but where do you or I get the right to tell someone else what they can or can't put in their own bodies, and where do they get the right to expect us to pay for their self inflicted medical issues?

They do not necessarily expect the right to be cared for, cd, but ultimately who does? Rising medical care costs, rising insurance costs? Do the indigent cover their share of that?

We're not talking about all of the poor in general. We're talking about people who have made a decision knowing where it would probably lead. If they go to the emergency room knowing full well that they aren't going to pay for their medical care then they do in fact expect someone else (us) to pay for it. It's a sad thing, no doubt about it, but the term "bitter pill to swallow" fits.

Clamp in true liberal fashion he's going to pull out the "so you're going to let people die" card next. Just wait.

Yeah let the druggies die. It's kinda like a genocide of stupid people where you let them remove themselves from society. It also would discourage people from getting on meth in the first place when they find out that if you go to the hospital bc of meth related illness they're gonna let you die.

[Olly]

Yeah let the druggies die. It's kinda like a genocide of stupid people where you let them remove themselves from society. It also would discourage people from getting on meth in the first place when they find out that if you go to the hospital bc of meth related illness they're gonna let you die.

So what if someone just makes one mistake and gets hooked on meth? You're not going to help an innocent person when all they did was make a mistake?

[FlintRiverFowler]

Yeah let the druggies die. It's kinda like a genocide of stupid people where you let them remove themselves from society. It also would discourage people from getting on meth in the first place when they find out that if you go to the hospital bc of meth related illness they're gonna let you die.

So what if someone just makes one mistake and gets hooked on meth? You're not going to help an innocent person when all they did was make a mistake?

One mistake?
They tried meth. They knew the repurcussions. If they were indeed hooked on meth then that would mean they more than tried it once. You don't just accidentally try meth.

[Olly]

One mistake?
They tried meth. They knew the repurcussions. If they were indeed hooked on meth then that would mean they more than tried it once. You don't just accidentally try meth.

Maybe if you actually had someone in your life affected by meth you would think differently. We can all make mistakes. Meth is evil and IT kills people everyday. I'm not a fan of government anymore than you Flint but we need to keep these drugs off our streets or else your kids could be hooked on meth one day!

[Feelin' Fowl]

Best tag team ever!

[FlintRiverFowler]

One mistake?
They tried meth. They knew the repurcussions. If they were indeed hooked on meth then that would mean they more than tried it once. You don't just accidentally try meth.

Maybe if you actually had someone in your life affected by meth you would think differently. We can all make mistakes. Meth is evil and IT kills people everyday. I'm not a fan of government anymore than you Flint but we need to keep these drugs off our streets or else your kids could be hooked on meth one day!

Yes olly, METH kills people just the same as GUNS kill people. You should run for office on the democrat ticket with that logic.
Keeping the drugs off our streets would be nice. But it ain't gonna happen. As much as you and other here would like it to be true I am not a proponent of DRUG USE. I am a proponent of free will and an opponent of government intervention in our day to day lives.

[assateague]

One mistake?
They tried meth. They knew the repurcussions. If they were indeed hooked on meth then that would mean they more than tried it once. You don't just accidentally try meth.

Maybe if you actually had someone in your life affected by meth you would think differently. We can all make mistakes. Meth is evil and IT kills people everyday. I'm not a fan of government anymore than you Flint but we need to keep these drugs off our streets or else your kids could be hooked on meth one day!

I believe the exact se argument could be made for alcohol and tobacco.

[Olly]

Yes olly, METH kills people just the same as GUNS kill people. You should run for office on the democrat ticket with that logic.
Keeping the drugs off our streets would be nice. But it ain't gonna happen. As much as you and other here would like it to be true I am not a proponent of DRUG USE. I am a proponent of free will and an opponent of government intervention in our day to day lives.

I cannot believe you're comparing guns to killing people the same as meth. A gun is an inanimate object. Meth is evil, you try it once and you're hooked for life. IMO that's apples and oranges man. Like I said above I'm against the government interfering in our lives more than anyone here I practically wrote the book on down with the man! But some government is a good thing, you aren't an anarchist are you? Without strict drug laws there would be nothing to stop people from trying drugs in the first place.

[FlintRiverFowler]

Yes olly, METH kills people just the same as GUNS kill people. You should run for office on the democrat ticket with that logic.
Keeping the drugs off our streets would be nice. But it ain't gonna happen. As much as you and other here would like it to be true I am not a proponent of DRUG USE. I am a proponent of free will and an opponent of government intervention in our day to day lives.

I cannot believe you're comparing guns to killing people the same as meth. A gun is an inanimate object. Meth is evil, you try it once and you're hooked for life. IMO that's apples and oranges man. Like I said above I'm against the government interfering in our lives more than anyone here I practically wrote the book on down with the man! But some government is a good thing, you aren't an anarchist are you? Without strict drug laws there would be nothing to stop people from trying drugs in the first place.

Really? I've tried plenty of drugs more than once. Laws didn't stop me.
There I just blew your whole argument up pal.
Your statement about meth being evil is however true. Evil doesn't exist without good. Evil is actually the absence of good and there is nothing good about meth.
However meth doesn't destroy lives like you and all your feel good liberal friends like to say on TV commercials.
PEOPLE DESTROY THEIR OWN LIVES WITH METH. USING DRUGS IS SELF DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR!

[Olly]

Really? I've tried plenty of drugs more than once. Laws didn't stop me.
There I just blew your whole argument up pal.
Your statement about meth being evil is however true. Evil doesn't exist without good. Evil is actually the absence of good and there is nothing good about meth.
However meth doesn't destroy lives like you and all your feel good liberal friends like to say on TV commercials.
PEOPLE DESTROY THEIR OWN LIVES WITH METH. USING DRUGS IS SELF DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR!

I think you just need to see what meth can go to someone first hand. I have a friend of a friend's cousin who is a cop and he told me about working the streets and seeing the damage meth can do to people. If you saw it first hand I bed you'd be singing a different tune. Why stop at drugs why even have laws at all? A society cannot function without laws like this protecting it.

[FlintRiverFowler]

Really? I've tried plenty of drugs more than once. Laws didn't stop me.
There I just blew your whole argument up pal.
Your statement about meth being evil is however true. Evil doesn't exist without good. Evil is actually the absence of good and there is nothing good about meth.
However meth doesn't destroy lives like you and all your feel good liberal friends like to say on TV commercials.
PEOPLE DESTROY THEIR OWN LIVES WITH METH. USING DRUGS IS SELF DESTRUCTIVE BEHAVIOR!

I think you just need to see what meth can go to someone first hand. I have a friend of a friend's cousin who is a cop and he told me about working the streets and seeing the damage meth can do to people. If you saw it first hand I bed you'd be singing a different tune. Why stop at drugs why even have laws at all? A society cannot function without laws like this protecting it.

But meth doesn't do that. The meth user do that to themselves.
That's like a person who ends it with a gun shot to the head and then you saying, you should see what a gun can to do someone first hand.

[Olly]

But meth doesn't do that. The meth user do that to themselves.
That's like a person who ends it with a gun shot to the head and then you saying, you should see what a gun can to do someone first hand.

Comparing killing yourself with a gun and killing yourself with drugs is totally different. With drugs you don't have a choice! They are addicting!

[FlintRiverFowler]

But meth doesn't do that. The meth user do that to themselves.
That's like a person who ends it with a gun shot to the head and then you saying, you should see what a gun can to do someone first hand.

Comparing killing yourself with a gun and killing yourself with drugs is totally different. With drugs you don't have a choice! They are addicting!

Oh so now you agree that people kill themselves with drugs and that the drugs don't kill them as helpless victims?

[Olly]

Oh so now you agree that people kill themselves with drugs and that the drugs don't kill them as helpless victims?

You never answered my question. Why even have laws at all? What about the FDA don't they regulate what goes into your body and ban substances that would be bad for you?

[assateague]

But yet they are not accountable at all, zero percent, none, nada, for anything caused by drugs they approved. Control without responsibility=bullshit.

[FlintRiverFowler]

Oh so now you agree that people kill themselves with drugs and that the drugs don't kill them as helpless victims?

You never answered my question. Why even have laws at all? What about the FDA don't they regulate what goes into your body and ban substances that would be bad for you?

Wow you really are a libtard. The FDA is not there to regulate what goes into your body. They regulate what companies put into your food.

[Olly]

I give up Flint! Go ahead and have your lawless country where everyone is mainlining crack because it's legal.

[clampdaddy]

The media is pretty good at influencing people. Maybe instead of calling it meth or crank, they should start calling it "shrivel up and die".

[FlintRiverFowler]

I give up Flint! Go ahead and have your lawless country where everyone is mainlining crack because it's legal.

Can we at least agree that the majority of people who get hooked on meth were never really worth much of a shit in the first place?

[Olly]

I give up Flint! Go ahead and have your lawless country where everyone is mainlining crack because it's legal.

Can we at least agree that the majority of people who get hooked on meth were never really worth much of a shit in the first place?

But but it's evil and people get hooked on it without any fault of their own. They just had a bad day at work

[FlintRiverFowler]

I give up Flint! Go ahead and have your lawless country where everyone is mainlining crack because it's legal.

Can we at least agree that the majority of people who get hooked on meth were never really worth much of a shit in the first place?

But but it's evil and people get hooked on it without any fault of their own. They just had a bad day at work

Work...

[Olly]

Work...

I'm surprised you haven't been smoking some meth to deal with that hernia you got going on.

[FlintRiverFowler]

Work...

I'm surprised you haven't been smoking some meth to deal with that hernia you got going on.

Well truthfully the only thing stopping me is the law... Thank God for the law right? I could be dead.