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Duck Engr wrote:A lot of ducks have been fooled with that whistle on the left.
#1WATERFOWLER wrote:Duck Engr wrote:A lot of ducks have been fooled with that whistle on the left.
Agreed. I like to give them to kids (or adults that can't blow a duck call) so they can participate in the calling.
Rick wrote:#1WATERFOWLER wrote:Duck Engr wrote:A lot of ducks have been fooled with that whistle on the left.
Agreed. I like to give them to kids (or adults that can't blow a duck call) so they can participate in the calling.
Believe it a safe bet they've just not run off a lot more ducks than they've tolled. Know that's been the case in my blinds, as I'm another who hands them out, so kids can "help" call.
Duck Engr wrote:Wow what an awesome collection and neat display. Thank you for sharing.
Duck Engr wrote:“A money pit of happiness” made me smile. That so well explains what most of us here are afflicted with.
Ricky Spanish wrote:There is a cycle.
Seems to be a 30 or 40 year cycle.
A call gets popular.
Everyone buys one.
The ducks catch on and it's onto the next thing.
We've done high dollar single reeds then we did cutdowns to where every duck goes "aw crap it's another cutdown".
What I observed last season was that the guys I was competing with for greenheads were winning with echo double reed calls.i think the trend is going to head that way. Who knows? Buy a call....become a trendsetter.
flashman252 wrote:Always had super success with rattle. I hunted a zink PH2 (and not all ph2's were built the same) but the Ph2 was well ahead of its time when Fred created it. It was snotty, deep toned and had that rattle compared to other calls. I think the bark and volume of cutdowns really is deadly in timber, but I hunt a lot of open water and see no benefit of a cutdown unless its RIPPING wind. Out of all my OSDC's, the prescroll is probably my favorite for these reasons. Has the bark, and the rattle with loose bottom end. The remake leopard wood of the 1st gen DC is a fabulous sounding call and if it wasnt so dang pretty and numbered, I'd hunt it. Not impressed in the slightest with the newer DC's but the SBX is another animal and RNT got it right with that call. So much so, it might go into the backup box this year.
Even then though, I can get down right loud on a 410 and big truck. RM's have that rattle. Love the 410 higher pitch hen and I LOVE the FTM. FTM might be my fav toneboard, and made me a believer on late season mallards last season. Just wont get near as loud as the 410 or the BT. Hit the FTM on some wise ol greenies last weekend of the season and put birds 10 yards in the decoys. Destroyed every cut down, RNT and echo in the blind that day and got to the point where other dudes just used mallard buzz behind the ftm.
Im not into trendsetting, I am just into calls. They are all a work of art to a certain degree. Not a fan of some manufacturers that have same dimensions as other calls that are before their time. Cheating calls dont have any room on my shelf, but at the end of the day, I like looking at generations of calls and tinkering with calls, and putting my own tunes on calls. I can go down rabbit holes on goose calls for hours and hours and try this gut system on that insert with this barrel. Before I know it, I got some frankenstein shit that sounds downright dirty.
Rick wrote:flashman252 wrote:Always had super success with rattle. I hunted a zink PH2 (and not all ph2's were built the same) but the Ph2 was well ahead of its time when Fred created it. It was snotty, deep toned and had that rattle compared to other calls. I think the bark and volume of cutdowns really is deadly in timber, but I hunt a lot of open water and see no benefit of a cutdown unless its RIPPING wind. Out of all my OSDC's, the prescroll is probably my favorite for these reasons. Has the bark, and the rattle with loose bottom end. The remake leopard wood of the 1st gen DC is a fabulous sounding call and if it wasnt so dang pretty and numbered, I'd hunt it. Not impressed in the slightest with the newer DC's but the SBX is another animal and RNT got it right with that call. So much so, it might go into the backup box this year.
Even then though, I can get down right loud on a 410 and big truck. RM's have that rattle. Love the 410 higher pitch hen and I LOVE the FTM. FTM might be my fav toneboard, and made me a believer on late season mallards last season. Just wont get near as loud as the 410 or the BT. Hit the FTM on some wise ol greenies last weekend of the season and put birds 10 yards in the decoys. Destroyed every cut down, RNT and echo in the blind that day and got to the point where other dudes just used mallard buzz behind the ftm.
Im not into trendsetting, I am just into calls. They are all a work of art to a certain degree. Not a fan of some manufacturers that have same dimensions as other calls that are before their time. Cheating calls dont have any room on my shelf, but at the end of the day, I like looking at generations of calls and tinkering with calls, and putting my own tunes on calls. I can go down rabbit holes on goose calls for hours and hours and try this gut system on that insert with this barrel. Before I know it, I got some frankenstein shit that sounds downright dirty.
Did have his XR2 for a while, but Zink's own mallard CD was what kept me from trying his PH2. It includes a piece with both calls working birds, and - to my ear - the PH2 sounded much like most other calls by comparison. Thought the XR2 appreciably more real-deal, but it was too much of a "one trick pony" in my hands and couldn't touch what I was using for production afield. (But I enjoyed the heck out of giving it to a college kid who loved them but was too fiscally responsible to buy one.)
Re: the RNTs, I had a half-scroll Jim felt spot-on and I thought would prove the bomb it was named after. Had a harsh tone I felt made it the Janis Joplin of Susies, and my parties killed a lot of birds over it. Would get plenty loud, but I don't know that it ever "barked" like I think of cutdown "bark". (Please know I stay confused over calling vernacular.) Certainly wouldn't ring like stage calls, and I'd not have called it "loose," in the nimble sense I think of that term - except in comparison to most cutdowns I've had. I likened running it to driving an old rice truck, and even after it lost its lanyard loop, I used it for preseason practice much like one might run in sand or on steps to make running on hard, level ground that much easier. Made the calls I hunted seem super slick.
Eventually snapped its fingernail thin cork tab, and the "close as we can get it" replacement was much looser and not as harsh. Closest I could get, which was closer than their said-to-be-same 40th Anniversary model came, was by sanding more hump into a newer DC's toneboard - which I eventually screwed up by seeing just how far I could go...
The newer (neutered to create separation with the newer DCs?) SBs were so disappointingly weak, I'd not considered trying the SBX. But I thought an early hedge SB the most real-deal ducky of any I've owned. That said, it didn't last on the lanyard, either. Did have kind of an interesting history, at least to speck callers, in that Nathan Wright (Redbone Calls) had given it to James Meyers (James Meyers and then Riceland Calls) before those two, once buddies, had their falling out, and James gave it to me. Tickled me more than a little to give that SB to a call crazy young fellow working with James and Bill Daniels, who now owns Riceland.
Could go on and on, especially about tone preferences - and my terminology ignorance - but best make my morning lap around our little town before it gets any hotter and the temptation to blow it off greater.
flashman252 wrote:Really need to start exploring cut down calls. Thinking soon, I may pull the trigger on a couple.
Rick wrote:flashman252 wrote:Really need to start exploring cut down calls. Thinking soon, I may pull the trigger on a couple.
Given your affinity for rattle, I would have thought you'd already be well down that rabbit hole. But, then, I may not really know what "rattle" is.
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