fracking don taylor

[QH's Paw]

Fracking is safe and a boon for the economy. Fracking has kept PA afloat during the Great Recession. Almost every net job created in PA since 2008 has been related to fracking. NY has banned fracking. What a bunch of liberal idiots. They are missing put on a gold mine. We welcome all frackers with open arms.

Don't worry, when the energy source comes down to Nuclear vs fracking, they will change those laws.
Fracking has the risk of contaminating ground water source/table but, at some point, the energy source will be tapped.

[Mornin Beef]

Fracking is safe and a boon for the economy. Fracking has kept PA afloat during the Great Recession. Almost every net job created in PA since 2008 has been related to fracking. NY has banned fracking. What a bunch of liberal idiots. They are missing put on a gold mine. We welcome all frackers with open arms.

It is proven that fracking can affect groundwater aquifers. Would you allow fracking on your land if you had a well?

No it's not, and yes I would. Know what else "can" affect aquifers? A comet hitting the earth.

According to gasland ll the epa conducted a study in wyoming that showed it had. The EPA was then complacent following major pressure from congressman.

A comet hitting the earth? coming for your house? If ben affleck and bruce willis were ready to divert it, youd hold them off cuz of how much haliburton's contract to clean up the mess would be? YOu must have huge stock holdings.

[Mornin Beef]

Fracking is safe and a boon for the economy. Fracking has kept PA afloat during the Great Recession. Almost every net job created in PA since 2008 has been related to fracking. NY has banned fracking. What a bunch of liberal idiots. They are missing put on a gold mine. We welcome all frackers with open arms.

Don't worry, when the energy source comes down to Nuclear vs fracking, they will change those laws.
Fracking has the risk of contaminating ground water source/table but, at some point, the energy source will be tapped.

When I was going to college the energy profs were united in a consensus that nuclear was the cleanest safest energy source up and running. Even more so than hydro dams due to ecological effect theyve had upon ecosystems.

[Mornin Beef]

If there was a fracking boom in one your guys towns and you property value was decreased would you expect to be compensated?

Property value decreased? How about increased and significantly. Try buying a house in western pa now. While the values of everyone's house everywhere else were declining, our values were increasing. We are looking for a new house now and are having trouble finding one. Damn frackers!

YOure lucky to have mineral rights. Once its all tapped the land cant be worth much.

Don't have mineral rights. I live on the city. Supply and demand. BTW, I've not heard of any water problems associated with fracking and I live in ground zero of it.

YOuve never heard of Dimock PA?

Supply and demand, hmmm. Is this Obamas effort to kill the coal industry by way of natural gas utilizing the free market? Gasland ll said most of this gas is going to China because that is where the top dollar for natty gas is.

[Redbeard]

When I dump my used motor oil into the flower beds...is that fracking?

[Mornin Beef]

When I dump my used motor oil into the flower beds...is that fracking?

According to gasland ll it is.

[cw1074]

When these wells are drilled, surface casing is set that goes below the deepest aquifer so that the water is protected. The drill pipe is then placed back in the hole and the well is finished drilling. I have seen rare cases where something shifts underground and the production casing is damaged at a very deep depth after production has begun, but I've never heard or seen this happen with surface casing. I can assure you that contaminating the local drinking water isn't in the best interests of the oil companies, so they are going to take every single precaution they can from letting that happen. Also, you are talking about a part of the country that oil used to free flow into the environment and was found bubbling out of the surface of the ground. If oil was migrating to the surface in the 1850's, I can assure you that natural gas and methane were too. Do you think it just magically skipped the local aquifers without contaminating them? Colonel Edwin Drake drilled the first oil well in Titusville, PA in 1859 to a completed depth of 69.5 feet. I can almost assure you that Oil, gas, methane, etc were all filtering into the local aquifers long before this well was ever drilled.

[cw1074]

Here is a link that somewhat explains it. I don't like the way they worded that surface casing was from 1000 to 4000 feet. It should have said surface casing runs from the surface of the earth to 1000 to 4000 feet below the surface.http://loga.la/haynesville-shale-news/?p=361

[Mornin Beef]

Good stuff CW thanks. Does CW stand for Clean Water?

[Mornin Beef]

When these wells are drilled, surface casing is set that goes below the deepest aquifer so that the water is protected. The drill pipe is then placed back in the hole and the well is finished drilling. I have seen rare cases where something shifts underground and the production casing is damaged at a very deep depth after production has begun, but I've never heard or seen this happen with surface casing. I can assure you that contaminating the local drinking water isn't in the best interests of the oil companies, so they are going to take every single precaution they can from letting that happen. Also, you are talking about a part of the country that oil used to free flow into the environment and was found bubbling out of the surface of the ground. If oil was migrating to the surface in the 1850's, I can assure you that natural gas and methane were too. Do you think it just magically skipped the local aquifers without contaminating them? Colonel Edwin Drake drilled the first oil well in Titusville, PA in 1859 to a completed depth of 69.5 feet. I can almost assure you that Oil, gas, methane, etc were all filtering into the local aquifers long before this well was ever drilled.

In gasland ll it shows that fracking causes earthquakes. The unpredictability of earthquakes could probably fail casings over time.

[vincentpa]

The aquifers are thousands of feet ABOVE the zone where they frack. Unless there is an accident when capping the well, the aquifer will not be impacted. There is a chance there will be an accident like anything in life. The chances are very rare. The drillers are careful. Their livelihood depends on it; and it's a good livelihood too.

Ok, I can be honest about the fact that I just watched gasland 2. I know myself well enough to understand I tend to get sucked into propaganda. Heck, that Aiden K on the other site that ranted for two days about jews had me agreeing with him after about the tenth post. But Vinny, that gasland 2 interviewed a highly regarded Cornel Prof. that said 5% of wells fail instantly somewhere along the casing. That failure could be very far away from the aquifer or right below it. The documentary also corroborated with inside gas corp documents that said the thing. I'm sure they wish to solve any problem because as you say their livelihoods depend upon it. That why it is an internal topic within these businesses i'm sure. My question is why is the hell would the casing be made of concrete? Concrete seems like a terrible choice and the immediate 5% failure seems logical to me. I dont know how this gentlemen or the gas corps define failure, but I would assume it means the allowance of what is inside the core being able to escape. Beyond the initial 5% with time degradation increases almost exponentially and that was shown from a gas corp document. Im not against fracking, but that is only because im not face to face with it. They put a large wind farm on the largest island next to my house. Very fishing/waterfowl/birding area for me and I hate them too. Pretty immature I suppose.

Does failure mean rupture? Be careful of the meaning of words.

BTW, I'm quite sure the Jews are behind fracking. Where else do these s all fracking companies get the financing.

[vincentpa]

If there was a fracking boom in one your guys towns and you property value was decreased would you expect to be compensated?

Property value decreased? How about increased and significantly. Try buying a house in western pa now. While the values of everyone's house everywhere else were declining, our values were increasing. We are looking for a new house now and are having trouble finding one. Damn frackers!

YOure lucky to have mineral rights. Once its all tapped the land cant be worth much.

Don't have mineral rights. I live on the city. Supply and demand. BTW, I've not heard of any water problems associated with fracking and I live in ground zero of it.

YOuve never heard of Dimock PA?

Supply and demand, hmmm. Is this Obamas effort to kill the coal industry by way of natural gas utilizing the free market? Gasland ll said most of this gas is going to China because that is where the top dollar for natty gas is.

Nope and nope. Barry has nothing to do with da gas industry. In fact, he's actively trying to hinder it.

Supply and demand was a reference to the supply of housing.

Most natural gas does not go to china. Exports are limited.

[vincentpa]

When these wells are drilled, surface casing is set that goes below the deepest aquifer so that the water is protected. The drill pipe is then placed back in the hole and the well is finished drilling. I have seen rare cases where something shifts underground and the production casing is damaged at a very deep depth after production has begun, but I've never heard or seen this happen with surface casing. I can assure you that contaminating the local drinking water isn't in the best interests of the oil companies, so they are going to take every single precaution they can from letting that happen. Also, you are talking about a part of the country that oil used to free flow into the environment and was found bubbling out of the surface of the ground. If oil was migrating to the surface in the 1850's, I can assure you that natural gas and methane were too. Do you think it just magically skipped the local aquifers without contaminating them? Colonel Edwin Drake drilled the first oil well in Titusville, PA in 1859 to a completed depth of 69.5 feet. I can almost assure you that Oil, gas, methane, etc were all filtering into the local aquifers long before this well was ever drilled.

The flaming water of that small PA town shown in Gasland had been flaming for over 25 years before the first fracking well was drilled. Point by point the movie Gasland has been debunked.

[Mornin Beef]

Vin,
Barry has supported fracking. He claims it to be a good transition towards greener energy. But that is a lie to appease the liberals. Cornell is conducting studies that show natural gas is just as dirty as coal relative to the whole process from extraction to use.

[Mornin Beef]

When these wells are drilled, surface casing is set that goes below the deepest aquifer so that the water is protected. The drill pipe is then placed back in the hole and the well is finished drilling. I have seen rare cases where something shifts underground and the production casing is damaged at a very deep depth after production has begun, but I've never heard or seen this happen with surface casing. I can assure you that contaminating the local drinking water isn't in the best interests of the oil companies, so they are going to take every single precaution they can from letting that happen. Also, you are talking about a part of the country that oil used to free flow into the environment and was found bubbling out of the surface of the ground. If oil was migrating to the surface in the 1850's, I can assure you that natural gas and methane were too. Do you think it just magically skipped the local aquifers without contaminating them? Colonel Edwin Drake drilled the first oil well in Titusville, PA in 1859 to a completed depth of 69.5 feet. I can almost assure you that Oil, gas, methane, etc were all filtering into the local aquifers long before this well was ever drilled.

The flaming water of that small PA town shown in Gasland had been flaming for over 25 years before the first fracking well was drilled. Point by point the movie Gasland has been debunked.

Its hard for the truth to come out when part of the settlement is non-disclosure agreements.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-New ... al-lawsuit

[cw1074]

Fuck gasland II! Let them ban fraking! I'll be lighting high dollar cigars with hundred dollar bills and drinking $100 plus glasses of scotch while the rest of you complain about the price of gasoline and the cost of goods rising because of manufacturing and shipping costs. Without fraking, only conventional type plays will be drilled and I'll be sitting pretty because that's what I'm heavily into. I have nothing to gain with fraking and plenty to lose if the production numbers continue to rise due to these non conventional shale plays, so I would much rather see it shut down. Plus if these shale plays were shut down, the rig count would drop more and conventional drilling would become much cheaper.

[Mornin Beef]

The aquifers are thousands of feet ABOVE the zone where they frack. Unless there is an accident when capping the well, the aquifer will not be impacted. There is a chance there will be an accident like anything in life. The chances are very rare. The drillers are careful. Their livelihood depends on it; and it's a good livelihood too.

Ok, I can be honest about the fact that I just watched gasland 2. I know myself well enough to understand I tend to get sucked into propaganda. Heck, that Aiden K on the other site that ranted for two days about jews had me agreeing with him after about the tenth post. But Vinny, that gasland 2 interviewed a highly regarded Cornel Prof. that said 5% of wells fail instantly somewhere along the casing. That failure could be very far away from the aquifer or right below it. The documentary also corroborated with inside gas corp documents that said the thing. I'm sure they wish to solve any problem because as you say their livelihoods depend upon it. That why it is an internal topic within these businesses i'm sure. My question is why is the hell would the casing be made of concrete? Concrete seems like a terrible choice and the immediate 5% failure seems logical to me. I dont know how this gentlemen or the gas corps define failure, but I would assume it means the allowance of what is inside the core being able to escape. Beyond the initial 5% with time degradation increases almost exponentially and that was shown from a gas corp document. Im not against fracking, but that is only because im not face to face with it. They put a large wind farm on the largest island next to my house. Very fishing/waterfowl/birding area for me and I hate them too. Pretty immature I suppose.

Does failure mean rupture? Be careful of the meaning of words.

BTW, I'm quite sure the Jews are behind fracking. Where else do these s all fracking companies get the financing.

I dont know how failure is defined. I just assume it would mean the casing fails to do its job: containment.

[Mornin Beef]

Fuck gasland II! Let them ban fraking! I'll be lighting high dollar cigars with hundred dollar bills and drinking $100 plus glasses of scotch while the rest of you complain about the price of gasoline and the cost of goods rising because of manufacturing and shipping costs. Without fraking, only conventional type plays will be drilled and I'll be sitting pretty because that's what I'm heavily into. I have nothing to gain with fraking and plenty to lose if the production numbers continue to rise due to these non conventional shale plays, so I would much rather see it shut down. Plus if these shale plays were shut down, the rig count would drop more and conventional drilling would become much cheaper.

Come on, Ollys gunna move this to the CI forum if you keep on getting grouchy.

[cw1074]

I'm not getting grouchy! I'm just hoping that you are trolling and that you are smart enough to recognize this propaganda for what it is.

[jehler]

Don't frack with Michigan!

[Mornin Beef]

The aquifers are thousands of feet ABOVE the zone where they frack. Unless there is an accident when capping the well, the aquifer will not be impacted. There is a chance there will be an accident like anything in life. The chances are very rare. The drillers are careful. Their livelihood depends on it; and it's a good livelihood too.

Ok, I can be honest about the fact that I just watched gasland 2. I know myself well enough to understand I tend to get sucked into propaganda. Heck, that Aiden K on the other site that ranted for two days about jews had me agreeing with him after about the tenth post. But Vinny, that gasland 2 interviewed a highly regarded Cornel Prof. that said 5% of wells fail instantly somewhere along the casing. That failure could be very far away from the aquifer or right below it. The documentary also corroborated with inside gas corp documents that said the thing. I'm sure they wish to solve any problem because as you say their livelihoods depend upon it. That why it is an internal topic within these businesses i'm sure. My question is why is the hell would the casing be made of concrete? Concrete seems like a terrible choice and the immediate 5% failure seems logical to me. I dont know how this gentlemen or the gas corps define failure, but I would assume it means the allowance of what is inside the core being able to escape. Beyond the initial 5% with time degradation increases almost exponentially and that was shown from a gas corp document. Im not against fracking, but that is only because im not face to face with it. They put a large wind farm on the largest island next to my house. Very fishing/waterfowl/birding area for me and I hate them too. Pretty immature I suppose.

Does failure mean rupture? Be careful of the meaning of words.

BTW, I'm quite sure the Jews are behind fracking. Where else do these s all fracking companies get the financing.

Just my opinion, but I believe these companies especially in this economic climate are flush with cash and need little financing. However, if people are too ill to go to the box office thats a problem. A jew made gasland ll.

[jehler]

Fracking kills 53 kittens a day!

[jehler]

I honestly don't care if someone's water gets fracked, they can get a damn culligan system. I want cheap fuel!

[Mornin Beef]

I'm not getting grouchy! I'm just hoping that you are trolling and that you are smart enough to recognize this propaganda for what it is.

I'm weary of the other side of the coin too; the gas and oil companies influence over govt. there were specific exemptions to federal enviro laws given to the natural gas industry from obamas EPA.

[jehler]

I got a silver dollar that says Monsanto funds the anti fracking movement

[cw1074]

I'm not getting grouchy! I'm just hoping that you are trolling and that you are smart enough to recognize this propaganda for what it is.

I'm weary of the other side of the coin too; the gas and oil companies influence over govt. there were specific exemptions to federal enviro laws given to the natural gas industry from obamas EPA.

I have been around the oil and gas business my whole life. I've seen the industry change from the days that it was all about the dollar and they could care less about the environment to the way things are now. Oil and gas companies will now drop a million plus at the drop of a hat to protect the environment, easily paying over 10% of the cost of the well. They have nothing to gain anymore by trying to damage the environment and covering it up. If they cause damage and cover it instead of accepting responsibility and fixing it, its going to cost them many millions in fines and civil liabilities. Most companies now a days are prudent operators and try to leave the land in a better condition when they leave than what it was when they started.

[Mornin Beef]

I'm not getting grouchy! I'm just hoping that you are trolling and that you are smart enough to recognize this propaganda for what it is.

I'm weary of the other side of the coin too; the gas and oil companies influence over govt. there were specific exemptions to federal enviro laws given to the natural gas industry from obamas EPA.

I have been around the oil and gas business my whole life. I've seen the industry change from the days that it was all about the dollar and they could care less about the environment to the way things are now. Oil and gas companies will now drop a million plus at the drop of a hat to protect the environment, easily paying over 10% of the cost of the well. They have nothing to gain anymore by trying to damage the environment and covering it up. If they cause damage and cover it instead of accepting responsibility and fixing it, its going to cost them many millions in fines and civil liabilities. Most companies now a days are prudent operators and try to leave the land in a better condition when they leave than what it was when they started.

Thats just the simple progression of cost/risk analysis from progressing enviro law stringency and the fines that came with that. Why did enviro laws have to become more burdensome? Because the pollution was getting out of control from enviro irresponsibility.

[Mornin Beef]

I got a silver dollar that says Monsanto funds the anti fracking movement

I got a sawbuck that says its a 50/50 situation.

[jehler]

Obama and mansonto are the white and black horse

[cw1074]

I'm not getting grouchy! I'm just hoping that you are trolling and that you are smart enough to recognize this propaganda for what it is.

I'm weary of the other side of the coin too; the gas and oil companies influence over govt. there were specific exemptions to federal enviro laws given to the natural gas industry from obamas EPA.

I have been around the oil and gas business my whole life. I've seen the industry change from the days that it was all about the dollar and they could care less about the environment to the way things are now. Oil and gas companies will now drop a million plus at the drop of a hat to protect the environment, easily paying over 10% of the cost of the well. They have nothing to gain anymore by trying to damage the environment and covering it up. If they cause damage and cover it instead of accepting responsibility and fixing it, its going to cost them many millions in fines and civil liabilities. Most companies now a days are prudent operators and try to leave the land in a better condition when they leave than what it was when they started.

Thats just the simple progression of cost/risk analysis from progressing enviro law stringency and the fines that came with that. Why did enviro laws have to become more burdensome? Because the pollution was getting out of control from enviro irresponsibility.

It wasn't environmental laws that made the majority of them change their ways, but landowners insisting that the companies operate in a responsible manner. In the old days the oil companies would just push over the land owners and not clean up the mess. The land owners got to the point that they wouldn't allow any other operations from other companies until the previous environmental hazards had been cleaned up. The lease provisions became stricter and caused the companies to have to become more responsible to the landowner in order to operate on their lands.

By the way, don't think I'm saying that back in the day all operators were irresponsible, because most weren't. These few gave the rest a bad name and cost the responsible ones a lot of money due to cleanup. As a kid growing up in the 70's and 80's, I was on many rigs and I noticed back then that the drillers and operators took pride in what they did and and always did everything in there power to leave a clean environment.