7.5s kill shit deader than hammer...

[jarbo03]

Well said Nuff. I have shot a bunch of phez with 7.5s, I also tore up a lot of birds, and picked a lot of pellets out while eating. I like the biggest pellet that still gives good pattern density at 40 yds, for me it's 1 1/8oz #5.

I usually use a 1 1/4 but I like an open choke so I don't miss. At $20+/bird I don't want to watch them fly away.
I've got a plan for a grouse load for next early season. Most if my shots are at where I think the bird is, but cover is too thick to see it. So I'm going with a 3" 1 1/2oz of 7.5s through a cylinder choke. Throw a pattern the size of a semi at em.

Like a swarm of bees.

My thoughts for brush would be a bigger pellet that wouldn't be deflected as easy by leaves, etc. Just a thought, don't hunt much brush and trees in KS.

[3legged_lab]

Like some number 4 buck.

[NuffDaddy]

Well said Nuff. I have shot a bunch of phez with 7.5s, I also tore up a lot of birds, and picked a lot of pellets out while eating. I like the biggest pellet that still gives good pattern density at 40 yds, for me it's 1 1/8oz #5.

I usually use a 1 1/4 but I like an open choke so I don't miss. At $20+/bird I don't want to watch them fly away.
I've got a plan for a grouse load for next early season. Most if my shots are at where I think the bird is, but cover is too thick to see it. So I'm going with a 3" 1 1/2oz of 7.5s through a cylinder choke. Throw a pattern the size of a semi at em.

Like a swarm of bees.

My thoughts for brush would be a bigger pellet that wouldn't be deflected as easy by leaves, etc. Just a thought, don't hunt much brush and trees in KS.

I might try some patterning through thick brush with some 5s 6s and 7.5 and see which ones land the most pellets.

[NuffDaddy]

Like some number 4 buck.

That would make a nice puffball if you connected with a little grouse.

[GadwallGetter530]

I don't understand why people use 5s and 6s on Pheasants and grouse!?!? A handicap trap load of 1 1/8oz of 7.5s going @ 1200-1290 fps kill upland birds fast and have a much better pattern than what 4s, 5s, and 6s will throw. So instead of wasting your money spending $15-$25 for a box, buy some trap loads as try them. Here's a few to consider:

Winchester AA SuperHandicap going @ 1290 FPS
Remington Nitro-27 going @ 1250 FPS
Federal Gold Medal going @ 1230 FPS
Federal Gold Medal Papers going @ 1200 FPS

Most of these you can get for under $9 at your local big store.

How many wild roosters have you killed? I've shot my far share over the years. "Wild" not pen raised Crippled pheasants are a pain in the ass even with an excellent dog . I like to hit them hard and kill them dead. I shoot copper platted 5's or 4's. I just don't think 7.5 carries the energy needed past a certain point. I shot alot of hand loads for quail and doves and a few pheasants when thats all I have on me. In 7.5 and 8's. My cousin makes up a few cases every summer.

[Feelin' Fowl]

I like to shoot a 6 or 7.5 followed by a 5 if needed. I've killed a lot of wild birds with 7.5...

[T Man]

The problem might be that 25 yards, through a mod choke, you have a pattern about the size of a medium watermelon from a 35" barrel. Not a big pattern, so the possibility that the pheasant might not be hit squarely could have caused those cripples.

Or it could be that I dont hunt planted birds that have to be kicked to make fly.

[R. Chapman]

I don't understand why people use 5s and 6s on Pheasants and grouse!?!? A handicap trap load of 1 1/8oz of 7.5s going @ 1200-1290 fps kill upland birds fast and have a much better pattern than what 4s, 5s, and 6s will throw. So instead of wasting your money spending $15-$25 for a box, buy some trap loads as try them. Here's a few to consider:

Winchester AA SuperHandicap going @ 1290 FPS
Remington Nitro-27 going @ 1250 FPS
Federal Gold Medal going @ 1230 FPS
Federal Gold Medal Papers going @ 1200 FPS

Most of these you can get for under $9 at your local big store.

How many wild roosters have you killed? I've shot my far share over the years. "Wild" not pen raised Crippled pheasants are a pain in the ass even with an excellent dog . I like to hit them hard and kill them dead. I shoot copper platted 5's or 4's. I just don't think 7.5 carries the energy needed past a certain point. I shot alot of hand loads for quail and doves and a few pheasants when thats all I have on me. In 7.5 and 8's. My cousin makes up a few cases every summer.

How economical is it for you cousin to load just 3 cases a summer? I've killed well over 75. I never said I hunted with a 35" barreled gun, that's what I patterned with. My hunting guns , mostly 870s, have 28"-30" barrel on them, and all of them are full choked except the 26" one I have; That's a fixed Mod off of a Wingmaster.

[R. Chapman]

I don't understand why people use 5s and 6s on Pheasants and grouse!?!? A handicap trap load of 1 1/8oz of 7.5s going @ 1200-1290 fps kill upland birds fast and have a much better pattern than what 4s, 5s, and 6s will throw. So instead of wasting your money spending $15-$25 for a box, buy some trap loads as try them. Here's a few to consider:

Winchester AA SuperHandicap going @ 1290 FPS
Remington Nitro-27 going @ 1250 FPS
Federal Gold Medal going @ 1230 FPS
Federal Gold Medal Papers going @ 1200 FPS

Most of these you can get for under $9 at your local big store.

How many wild roosters have you killed? I've shot my far share over the years. "Wild" not pen raised Crippled pheasants are a pain in the ass even with an excellent dog . I like to hit them hard and kill them dead. I shoot copper platted 5's or 4's. I just don't think 7.5 carries the energy needed past a certain point. I shot alot of hand loads for quail and doves and a few pheasants when thats all I have on me. In 7.5 and 8's. My cousin makes up a few cases every summer.

How economical is it for you cousin to load just 3 cases a summer? I've killed well over 75. I never said I hunted with a 35" barreled gun, that's what I patterned with. My hunting guns , mostly 870s, have 28"-30" barrel on them, and all of them are full choked except the 26" one I have; That's a fixed Mod off of a Wingmaster.

[R. Chapman]

Saying 7.5s don't carry the energy like 5 shot is like saying a .243 Winchester doesn't carry the energy of a .270 Winchester. A lot of factors in it. I like the pattern dennsity of buffered 7.5 shot. Just my prefered choice...

[The Duck Hammer]

Rex have you taken physics yet?

[3legged_lab]

If they're all the same why do they make different sizes then?

[3legged_lab]

If they're all the same why do they make different sizes then?

[NuffDaddy]

Saying 7.5s don't carry the energy like 5 shot is like saying a .243 Winchester doesn't carry the energy of a .270 Winchester. A lot of factors in it. I like the pattern dennsity of buffered 7.5 shot. Just my prefered choice...

E=M x C^2

#7.5=1.5gr
#5=2gr

I'm not going to go through the math, but just say C^2=10

With a 7.5 pellet you have 15units of energy per pellet compared to 20units of energy per #5 pellet.
So how can you say a 7.5 carries as much energy as a #5 pellet?

At the same velocity a lighter 243 would not hit as hard as a 270.
There is a lot more to rifle ballistics as well. Can't really compare to shotshell ballistics.

[NuffDaddy]

If they're all the same why do they make different sizes then?

What was your question again??

[3legged_lab]

If they're all the same why do they make different sizes then?

What was your question again??

I wasn't sure you heard me.

[R. Chapman]

Rex have you taken physics yet?

Yes, I have....

[R. Chapman]

If they're all the same why do they make different sizes then?

Let's put it this way. Shoot at an animal with a rifle, say an elk. Ok. You have two guys, one with a .300 WSM shooting a 150 gr. slug, Now lets look at the other guy. He's shooting a .325 WSM with a 200 gr. slug. Both of these slugs are traveling at an average speed of 2,950 FPS. Both are shooting the same bullet. Ok. Now the guy with the .300 WSM is shooting an elk at 300 yards, and so is the other guy. You know what's going to happen? Neither one of them is going to notice any difference on how those elk are hit. Both of them elk are dead if shot correctly. We're talking about a marginal difference between one and half differences in size of shot, I have shot pheasants with both 5s and 7.5s. What I experienced was 5s will shred them up at times where 7.5s wouldn't when hit squarely. Last thing I have to say is if any of you guys ever come to MT and bring a damn cannon of a rifle i.e. .300 RUM, .375 H+H Mag, .338-378 Wby Mag; to hunt elk because you think they're invincible, you don't have a single strand of hair on you chest.

[R. Chapman]

If they're all the same why do they make different sizes then?

The simple answer is everyone would get bored with using the same size shot for upland, or for waterfowl. Everyone has their personal desire, mine is 7.5s for upland. Kinda like my personal desire 4-5 years ago was to shoot my first elk with a 6mm Remington shooting 105 gr. Bergers and to kill one in the "Bob". One of two mistakes was made that day though, first one was using the horse as the rest instead of taking a prone shot using my pack as a rest for the 437 yard shot. Second mistake was shooting him 4 miles too far from camp.

[BrewGUN]

If they're all the same why do they make different sizes then?

Let's put it this way. Shoot at an animal with a rifle, say an elk. Ok. You have two guys, one with a .300 WSM shooting a 150 gr. slug, Now lets look at the other guy. He's shooting a .325 WSM with a 200 gr. slug. Both of these slugs are traveling at an average speed of 2,950 FPS. Both are shooting the same bullet. Ok. Now the guy with the .300 WSM is shooting an elk at 300 yards, and so is the other guy. You know what's going to happen? Neither one of them is going to notice any difference on how those elk are hit. Both of them elk are dead if shot correctly. We're talking about a marginal difference between one and half differences in size of shot, I have shot pheasants with both 5s and 7.5s. What I experienced was 5s will shred them up at times where 7.5s wouldn't when hit squarely. Last thing I have to say is if any of you guys ever come to MT and bring a damn cannon of a rifle i.e. .300 RUM, .375 H+H Mag, .338-378 Wby Mag; to hunt elk because you think they're invincible, you don't have a single strand of hair on you chest.

Speaking of chest hair, did your balls drop yet?

[R. Chapman]

My senses tell me your a pedophile.....What the fucks the matter with you?

[assateague]

Let's put it this way. Shoot at an animal with a rifle, say an elk. Ok. You have two guys, one with a .300 WSM shooting a 150 gr. slug, Now lets look at the other guy. He's shooting a .325 WSM with a 200 gr. slug. Both of these slugs are traveling at an average speed of 2,950 FPS. Both are shooting the same bullet.

Did you actually read what you just wrote?

shooting a .300 WSM shooting a 150 gr. slug

shooting a .325 WSM with a 200 gr. slug.

Both are shooting the same bullet.

Unless I'm missing something, they are not shooting the same bullet. Matter of fact, one is shooting a projectile which is 25% heavier than the other.


If you had said "One is shooting a .22LR with a 25 gr. slug, and one is shooting a .30-06 with a 180 gr. slug. Both are shooting the same bullet", would it have made any logical sense?

[R. Chapman]

My question to you is did you understand what I was making a point out of? The .323" diameter bullet is the number5 shot while the .308" diameter bullet is the number 7.5 shot. See how I used that as an example? What I meant by the same bullet was they're both shooting say a Woodleigh Weldcore or a Swift Scirocco or a Nosler AccuBond.

[capt1972]

[R. Chapman]

Fuck you^

[assateague]

My question to you is did you understand what I was making a point out of? The .323" diameter bullet is the number5 shot while the .308" diameter bullet is the number 7.5 shot. See how I used that as an example? What I meant by the same bullet was they're both shooting say a Woodleigh Weldcore or a Swift Scirocco or a Nosler AccuBond.

Ok, so same kind of bullet.


Example #2:
I have a 2003 Ford F250 Superduty Crew Cab with an 8 foot bed. Matter of fact, I have two. Came off the assembly line, one after the other. Identical.

They're both going down the road, 55 mph. Only one has a ton of gravel in the bed. They both hit identical 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supremes.

Do you really expect me to believe that both trucks impart identical damage? No way.

[R. Chapman]

Ain't going to matter, that oldsmobile is fucked either way...

[3legged_lab]

Let's put it this way. Shoot at an animal with a rifle, say an elk. Ok. You have two guys, one with a .300 WSM shooting a 150 gr. slug, Now lets look at the other guy. He's shooting a .325 WSM with a 200 gr. slug. Both of these slugs are traveling at an average speed of 2,950 FPS. Both are shooting the same bullet.

Did you actually read what you just wrote?

shooting a .300 WSM shooting a 150 gr. slug

shooting a .325 WSM with a 200 gr. slug.

Both are shooting the same bullet.

Unless I'm missing something, they are not shooting the same bullet. Matter of fact, one is shooting a projectile which is 25% heavier than the other.


If you had said "One is shooting a .22LR with a 25 gr. slug, and one is shooting a .30-06 with a 180 gr. slug. Both are shooting the same bullet", would it have made any logical sense?

Dammit! Beat me to it Jim. Jehler likes analogies that make no sense.

[3legged_lab]

Ain't going to matter, that oldsmobile is fucked either way...

It does matter, that's the whole point of the argument. You clearly don't see that there is a difference.

[NuffDaddy]

My question to you is did you understand what I was making a point out of? The .323" diameter bullet is the number5 shot while the .308" diameter bullet is the number 7.5 shot. See how I used that as an example? What I meant by the same bullet was they're both shooting say a Woodleigh Weldcore or a Swift Scirocco or a Nosler AccuBond.

But the larger bullet WILL hit harder. Just because both will kill doesn't mean they are carrying the same energy. Somewhere you have to draw the line where they are no longer effective though.
And again, your comparing rifle ballistics to shotshell. Completely different.