Well dang

[The Duck Hammer]

And that was with pretty much junk mud tires on it.

You weren't driving it right. I've said it before and ill say it again.
A z71 is the baddest truck ever made.
People who drive them as grocery getters are pussies.

The originals were. It doesn't mean the same thing as when they first came out.

My cousins newer z71 1/2 ton is rated to pull the same as my moms envoy. And my uncles new z71 needed a "beef up" package so he could put a camper on his truck.

Are you going against what I said or with it?

[NuffDaddy]

I'm not sure how to explain this- the driveshaft broke. I've had a Ford, 2 Dodges, a Plymouth, a Volkswagen, a Honda, and a Jeep, and none of the driveshafts broke. The driveshaft breaking is a problem, much as you might like it not to be.

"My lawnmower blew up today, and sent pieces of piston rings out of the cylinders through the cylinder wall."

"My lawnmower never caused me any problems."


Do you see how those two statements really don't go together?

Rust isn't a mechanical problem. It's a byproduct of living where they dump salt by the truckloads every time a snowflake touches the road.
How much of the body is rusted out on the 20 year old cars you have?

[NuffDaddy]

And that was with pretty much junk mud tires on it.

You weren't driving it right. I've said it before and ill say it again.
A z71 is the baddest truck ever made.
People who drive them as grocery getters are pussies.

The originals were. It doesn't mean the same thing as when they first came out.

My cousins newer z71 1/2 ton is rated to pull the same as my moms envoy. And my uncles new z71 needed a "beef up" package so he could put a camper on his truck.

Are you going against what I said or with it?

With it. At least the new 1/2 ton z71s are pussy trucks as far as hauling.

[NuffDaddy]

So you consider a muffler rusting out a problem Assa?

[assateague]

You still digging?

[assateague]

Go take a poll of 1000 people in your area who have a vehicle of comparable age- cars, SUVs, trucks, whatever. I would highly doubt that a broken driveshaft is anywhere near a "common occurrence" in your area. Even with all the salt.


How many times you drive your vehicle in the ocean and on the beach? How many times does it come home covered in a film of salt spray? I'd be willing to bet that your exposure to road salt is no more corrosive than my vehicle's (or anyone's vehicle in this area) exposure to the ocean.

Try again.

[NuffDaddy]

Go take a poll of 1000 people in your area who have a vehicle of comparable age- cars, SUVs, trucks, whatever. I would highly doubt that a broken driveshaft is anywhere near a "common occurrence" in your area. Even with all the salt.


How many times you drive your vehicle in the ocean and on the beach? How many times does it come home covered in a film of salt spray? I'd be willing to bet that your exposure to road salt is no more corrosive than my vehicle's (or anyone's vehicle in this area) exposure to the ocean.

Try again.

Nobody around here has a vehicle if comparable age. Most are junk around 15-20 year mark. This truck is getting close. Most if the front end is rusted out and the frame is getting sketchier every year.
The truck is covered in salt for 4 months if the year. You're really going to compare that to diving on the beach a couple times. I'd be willing to bet your wrong. How many mufflers you been through on your oldest vehicle?

[The Duck Hammer]

Why would you replace a muffler?

[QH's Paw]

Jim, you're wasting your time. He's in denial and has an excuse for whatever and however you put it.

[jehler]

I used to go through drive shafts in my cj-5 all the time, so many holes in the body from those bastards breaking

[NuffDaddy]

Why would you replace a muffler?

Rust out every 3 or 4 years.

[NuffDaddy]

Jim, you're wasting your time. He's in denial and has an excuse for whatever and however you put it.

You guys are just mad that I'm right

[3legged_lab]

Jim, you're wasting your time. He's in denial and has an excuse for whatever and however you put it.

You guys are just mad that I'm right

Right about what? That your chevy is a "better 4X4" than other brands?
Your biggest point of arguement is that salt "eats the vehicle up in Michigan". By your same argument one could assume that point is now a wash for your environment, so how many of your buddies have replaced a driveline on a street truck?
Salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt. Nobody argued salts ability to make rust, what they're trying to get you to admit is - your 4 wheel drive broken when you needed it the most. If Olly's lawn mower doesnt cut grass its just Georgia yard art.

[Goldfish]

Nuff, you know Assa lived in MN for a while, and I can guarantee you don't salt any heavier than here.

Just saying is all.

[FlintRiverFowler]

In Georgia we have a great climate. It's fairly common to see a 30 year old vehicle without an ounce of rust. Hell more than fairly common. They're everywhere. Lets start keeping a tally shall we?
Georgia-1
Michigan -0

[FlintRiverFowler]

It's 75 degrees outside
Georgia-2
Michigan-0

[3legged_lab]

Georgians are in Georgia
Georgia 2
Michigan 1

[FlintRiverFowler]

Georgians are in Georgia
Georgia 2
Michigan 1

Oregon= blue state
Georgia-2
Michigan-1*
Oregon-0

[FlintRiverFowler]

Georgians are in Georgia
Georgia 2
Michigan 1

Funny you say this though, in a direct descendant of an Oregonian. Have lots of family there.

[NuffDaddy]

Jim, you're wasting your time. He's in denial and has an excuse for whatever and however you put it.

You guys are just mad that I'm right

Right about what? That your chevy is a "better 4X4" than other brands?
Your biggest point of arguement is that salt "eats the vehicle up in Michigan". By your same argument one could assume that point is now a wash for your environment, so how many of your buddies have replaced a driveline on a street truck?
Salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt. Nobody argued salts ability to make rust, what they're trying to get you to admit is - your 4 wheel drive broken when you needed it the most. If Olly's lawn mower doesnt cut grass its just Georgia yard art.

No. My point is it's not worse than other trucks.
In case you missed it, I can't ask anyone because I don't know anyone with a truck older the 15 years.
And yes, something broke when I needed it. Usually stuff breaks when you're using it, and you use stuff when you need it.

[NuffDaddy]

Nuff, you know Assa lived in MN for a while, and I can guarantee you don't salt any heavier than here.

Just saying is all.

How long is a while?

[assateague]

5 years.

[assateague]

Correction, 6 years. 97 to 2003.

[assateague]

Georgians are in Georgia
Georgia 2
Michigan 1

Oregon= blue state
Georgia-2
Michigan-1*
Oregon-0

MD- unlimited white tails. 1 point.

But everything else puts us about -4,037, so I'm gonna bow out of this one

[NuffDaddy]

Correction, 6 years. 97 to 2003.

You know what I'm talking about with salt then.

So how does a rusty truck mean it is poorly built?

[Mornin Beef]

In Georgia we have a great climate. It's fairly common to see a 30 year old vehicle without an ounce of rust. Hell more than fairly common. They're everywhere. Lets start keeping a tally shall we?
Georgia-1
Michigan -0
NY +36

[FlintRiverFowler]

Georgians are in Georgia
Georgia 2
Michigan 1

Oregon= blue state
Georgia-2
Michigan-1*
Oregon-0

MD- unlimited white tails. 1 point.

But everything else puts us about -4,037, so I'm gonna bow out of this one

I figured this is what you posted when I saw you quoted

[NuffDaddy]

In Georgia we have a great climate. It's fairly common to see a 30 year old vehicle without an ounce of rust. Hell more than fairly common. They're everywhere. Lets start keeping a tally shall we?
Georgia-1
Michigan -0

We have muffler shops here that replace mufflers as 90% of their work. Boost the economy.
+1 for MI.

[NuffDaddy]

And it's home of the UP. AKA Gods country. Another +1 for MI.

[assateague]

In Georgia we have a great climate. It's fairly common to see a 30 year old vehicle without an ounce of rust. Hell more than fairly common. They're everywhere. Lets start keeping a tally shall we?
Georgia-1
Michigan -0

We have muffler shops here that replace mufflers as 90% of their work. Boost the economy.
+1 for MI.

How many driveshaft shops you got?