Chilli's

[ManlyMan]

thats a Wisconsin big dick post.

:clapping:

[NuffDaddy]

Genes have far, far less to do with it than groceries.

They go hand in hand. A deer can have genes that won't lent the antlers fork. You can feed that deer anything you want and it won't become a B&C buck. Take a deer with amazing genes and feed it leaves and sticks and pods are it will make B&C by 3 or 4 years old.

[Olly]

Nuff hunts in Detroit and up north with subsistence hunting Indians...

Don't even get me started.

[aunt betty]

Illinois River valley grows some monster deer. The graph shows it too.

[NuffDaddy]

Just curious. What's the pressure like over there? Doesn't makes sense to me that you guys shoot everything yet produce the most record book bucks. The deer must be at least 3 years old to get to that size. I hunt at least 1/3 of deer season here and only will see 1-2 3+ year old deer a year where I hunt.

[bill herian]

Take a deer with amazing genes and feed it leaves and sticks and pods are it will make B&C by 3 or 4 years old.

Easy there, Nuffer.

[bill herian]

Just curious. What's the pressure like over there? Doesn't makes sense to me that you guys shoot everything yet produce the most record book bucks. The deer must be at least 3 years old to get to that size. I hunt at least 1/3 of deer season here and only will see 1-2 3+ year old deer a year where I hunt.

I have lifeguarding tonight, I'll break it down when I get home later.

[jarbo03]

thats a Wisconsin big dick post.

:clapping:

When you gonna come back for a deer hunt? Have picked up a lot of new land in the area we hunted, guarantee it will be more organized next time.

[NuffDaddy]

Take a deer with amazing genes and feed it leaves and sticks and pods are it will make B&C by 3 or 4 years old.

Easy there, Nuffer.

What? Is that not true? There have been a lot of studies on pen deer with genes and nutrition. No doubt both play a huge role. But you can't feed a shitty deer good food and get a good deer. But you can feed a great deer below average food and still get a decent deer. We have a fucked up gene pool at our property. All the deer have access to the same food, but we have shot 4 year old gangly 6 points and 2 year old nice 8 points from the same tree in the same year.

[ManlyMan]

thats a Wisconsin big dick post.

:clapping:

When you gonna come back for a deer hunt? Have picked up a lot of new land in the area we hunted, guarantee it will be more organized next time.

dang! I know I've got to get back sometime! Unfortunately OBAMA has been jamming me up. Wanting me to work all the time! One of these days I'll make it.

[Woody]

Nuff hunts in Detroit and up north with subsistence hunting Indians...

Don't even get me started.

I hear it only get worse when you cross The Bridge in to Lower Canada, any truth to that?

[NuffDaddy]

Nuff hunts in Detroit and up north with subsistence hunting Indians...

Don't even get me started.

I hear it only get worse when you cross The Bridge in to Lower Canada, any truth to that?

WTF you guys talking about?

[Woody]

Nuff hunts in Detroit and up north with subsistence hunting Indians...

Don't even get me started.

I hear it only get worse when you cross The Bridge in to Lower Canada, any truth to that?

WTF you guys talking about?

The Natives

[NuffDaddy]

Nuff hunts in Detroit and up north with subsistence hunting Indians...

Don't even get me started.

I hear it only get worse when you cross The Bridge in to Lower Canada, any truth to that?

WTF you guys talking about?

The Natives

The ***edit by mod 's??

[jarbo03]

thats a Wisconsin big dick post.

:clapping:

When you gonna come back for a deer hunt? Have picked up a lot of new land in the area we hunted, guarantee it will be more organized next time.

dang! I know I've got to get back sometime! Unfortunately OBAMA has been jamming me up. Wanting me to work all the time! One of these days I'll make it.

Invite is always there, thinking bout going there during blackpowder this year.

[assateague]

Take a deer with amazing genes and feed it leaves and sticks and pods are it will make B&C by 3 or 4 years old.

Easy there, Nuffer.

What? Is that not true? There have been a lot of studies on pen deer with genes and nutrition. No doubt both play a huge role. But you can't feed a shitty deer good food and get a good deer. But you can feed a great deer below average food and still get a decent deer. We have a fucked up gene pool at our property. All the deer have access to the same food, but we have shot 4 year old gangly 6 points and 2 year old nice 8 points from the same tree in the same year.

I don't think this is true. I've seen studies that show marginal deer (as far as antlers go) are a result of poor diet, bad buck/doe ratio, and low survivability over the winter, rather than genetics. And that pen studies aren't nearly as valid for comparison purposes, just for that reason- they are always fed, don't compete, and have relatively little stress. But in the wild, 4 year old deer which are nothing but forked horns are most likely a result of poor nutrition the preceding year. I'll try and find some of them again. I was looking them up for one of those QDM arguments on a bow hunting site. Once saw Charles Alsheimer speak at a banquet, and he said pretty much the same thing, much to everyone's surprise.

[NuffDaddy]

Take a deer with amazing genes and feed it leaves and sticks and pods are it will make B&C by 3 or 4 years old.

Easy there, Nuffer.

What? Is that not true? There have been a lot of studies on pen deer with genes and nutrition. No doubt both play a huge role. But you can't feed a shitty deer good food and get a good deer. But you can feed a great deer below average food and still get a decent deer. We have a fucked up gene pool at our property. All the deer have access to the same food, but we have shot 4 year old gangly 6 points and 2 year old nice 8 points from the same tree in the same year.

I don't think this is true. I've seen studies that show marginal deer (as far as antlers go) are a result of poor diet, bad buck/doe ratio, and low survivability over the winter, rather than genetics. And that pen studies aren't nearly as valid for comparison purposes, just for that reason- they are always fed, don't compete, and have relatively little stress. But in the wild, 4 year old deer which are nothing but forked horns are most likely a result of poor nutrition the preceding year. I'll try and find some of them again. I was looking them up for one of those QDM arguments on a bow hunting site. Once saw Charles Alsheimer speak at a banquet, and he said pretty much the same thing, much to everyone's surprise.

Oh I get what you're saying...And I agree 100%...but if the genetics aren't there, nutrition won't help. Like I said up at our property. Some deer just get really nice antlers and 1.5 and 2.5 years old. While others don't. All from the same area and same time frame.

[3legged_lab]

Take a deer with amazing genes and feed it leaves and sticks and pods are it will make B&C by 3 or 4 years old.

Easy there, Nuffer.

What? Is that not true? There have been a lot of studies on pen deer with genes and nutrition. No doubt both play a huge role. But you can't feed a shitty deer good food and get a good deer. But you can feed a great deer below average food and still get a decent deer. We have a fucked up gene pool at our property. All the deer have access to the same food, but we have shot 4 year old gangly 6 points and 2 year old nice 8 points from the same tree in the same year.

I don't think this is true. I've seen studies that show marginal deer (as far as antlers go) are a result of poor diet, bad buck/doe ratio, and low survivability over the winter, rather than genetics. And that pen studies aren't nearly as valid for comparison purposes, just for that reason- they are always fed, don't compete, and have relatively little stress. But in the wild, 4 year old deer which are nothing but forked horns are most likely a result of poor nutrition the preceding year. I'll try and find some of them again. I was looking them up for one of those QDM arguments on a bow hunting site. Once saw Charles Alsheimer speak at a banquet, and he said pretty much the same thing, much to everyone's surprise.

Dont base your argument off that, Charles cant remember shit.

[jarbo03]

[Tomkat]

Was this post about eating dinner at Chili's?

[sws002]

Was this post about eating dinner at Chili's?

I was just thinking the same thing myself...

[NuffDaddy]

Was this post about eating dinner at Chili's?

Stay on topic please

[AKPirate]

Was this post about eating dinner at Chili's?

Stay on topic please

Good moderation right there that is

[RonE]

Take a deer with amazing genes and feed it leaves and sticks and pods are it will make B&C by 3 or 4 years old.

Easy there, Nuffer.

What? Is that not true? There have been a lot of studies on pen deer with genes and nutrition. No doubt both play a huge role. But you can't feed a shitty deer good food and get a good deer. But you can feed a great deer below average food and still get a decent deer. We have a fucked up gene pool at our property. All the deer have access to the same food, but we have shot 4 year old gangly 6 points and 2 year old nice 8 points from the same tree in the same year.

I don't think this is true. I've seen studies that show marginal deer (as far as antlers go) are a result of poor diet, bad buck/doe ratio, and low survivability over the winter, rather than genetics. And that pen studies aren't nearly as valid for comparison purposes, just for that reason- they are always fed, don't compete, and have relatively little stress. But in the wild, 4 year old deer which are nothing but forked horns are most likely a result of poor nutrition the preceding year. I'll try and find some of them again. I was looking them up for one of those QDM arguments on a bow hunting site. Once saw Charles Alsheimer speak at a banquet, and he said pretty much the same thing, much to everyone's surprise.

The deer that feed in my front yard and across the street on the golf course are of a gene pool that will never produce good bucks. What looks like a great 10 point buck in the front yard, some might say a monster, when looked at again will be nothing but a small 120-140 lb (on the hoof) buck with big antlers.......but only big in comparison to the very small body size. These deer eat anything they want to eat and some of the tree huggers feed them corn and oats every day. They are just small deer and there are far too many of them.

[RonE]

Was this post about eating dinner at Chili's?

I was just thinking the same thing myself...

Fuck Chili's! If Red wants to take his family there, he shouldn't come here and bitch about it. White tail deer is a much more interesting subject.

[The Duck Hammer]

The big mouth burger bites at Chilli's are delicious.

[Bootlipkiller]

Was this post about eating dinner at Chili's?

Stay on topic please

No one listens to you! You're pre pubescent.

[MuddyWaterWarlock]

Was this post about eating dinner at Chili's?

I was just thinking the same thing myself...

Fuck Chili's! If Red wants to take his family there, he shouldn't come here and bitch about it. White tail deer is a much more interesting subject.

Wait! Red took his family to Chili's?

[NuffDaddy]

Was this post about eating dinner at Chili's?

Stay on topic please

No one listens to you! You're pre pubescent.

Fuck you. I got more grey hair than red. I might as well be your elder.

[bill herian]

Was this post about eating dinner at Chili's?

I was just thinking the same thing myself...

We know Red tries really hard, so we wanted to make this a thread he could be proud of, keep it on the top of the page for a while.

I don't think this is true. I've seen studies that show marginal deer (as far as antlers go) are a result of poor diet, bad buck/doe ratio, and low survivability over the winter, rather than genetics. And that pen studies aren't nearly as valid for comparison purposes, just for that reason- they are always fed, don't compete, and have relatively little stress. But in the wild, 4 year old deer which are nothing but forked horns are most likely a result of poor nutrition the preceding year. I'll try and find some of them again. I was looking them up for one of those QDM arguments on a bow hunting site. Once saw Charles Alsheimer speak at a banquet, and he said pretty much the same thing, much to everyone's surprise.

Of course those factors are going to impact deer's growth potential on a regional level from year to year, but even in bad years, WI kills boone, some years more than others, but there's always boone on the hoof.

You can't say the same everywhere. Look at parts of Montana and the Dakotas, where deer have all the wheat, corn, and cover crops they want to eat ( as good or better than deer in western WI or the golden triangle IL, or eastern KA) but that just don't post big deer.

Look out your window, the eastern seaboard is loaded with deer, but how often do any of those states kill boone?

Look at areas of the south, MS, AL, GA, that are intensely managed, but the vast majority of mature bucks maybe crack 150.

This was the worst winter we've had pretty much ever, and I expect that antler size will struggle as bucks take longer to rebuild their bodies before building their racks, but there will still be boone here, because its in the blood.