NuffDaddy wrote:Nigga ran that back like he had my VCR
Goldfish wrote:Olly wrote:Feelin' Fowl wrote:Goldfish wrote:3geese4me wrote:[quote="assateague"]How about stopping no-bid contracts? How about only allowing 5% cost overruns instead of allowing 100-150% overruns on these no-bid contracts? So much waste, and they want to save money by reducing pay and benefits. Easy for an O-9 making $180K a year to say this shit.
Yep an O-9 with 30 years has a base pay of $12K. I am an E-6 with a little over 10 years and I have a base pay of $3400.
What???
A month?
Yes.
AKPirate wrote::lol:
RonE wrote:Fuck all you fuckers, I was in the white name tag Army. The pre M-16 Army. I didn't get one of them Air Farce rifles till I got to the NOM.
RonE wrote:AKPirate wrote::lol:
You be thinkin he be noing better than to pick on veteroon.
rebelp74 wrote:Goldfish wrote:Olly wrote:Feelin' Fowl wrote:Goldfish wrote:[quote="3geese4me"]
Yep an O-9 with 30 years has a base pay of $12K. I am an E-6 with a little over 10 years and I have a base pay of $3400.
What???
A month?
Yes.
Oh. I thought you meant a year for some reason and was wondering how in the hell that was even possible
who?assateague wrote:You been doing your job for 10 years, in a management position?
Goldfish wrote:rebelp74 wrote:Goldfish wrote:Olly wrote:Feelin' Fowl wrote:[quote="Goldfish"][quote="3geese4me"]
Yep an O-9 with 30 years has a base pay of $12K. I am an E-6 with a little over 10 years and I have a base pay of $3400.
What???
A month?
Yes.
Oh. I thought you meant a year for some reason and was wondering how in the hell that was even possible
3geese4me wrote:Goldfish, I think what assa was getting at was that if you, a skilled worker who had 10 years of experience in your field of choice. On top of that, you have management experience and then you got the paychecks you did. Then you compare your paychecks with your boss, who has minimal experience in what you do yet they make exponentially more than you. We are complaining about the pay scale differences between officers and enlisted. Our gripe is that officers, who don't know jack shit about the people that they are "responsible" for make so much more money than the enlisted supervisors that know every single detail about the job and the people performing the job.
3geese4me wrote:Goldfish, I think what assa was getting at was that if you, a skilled worker who had 10 years of experience in your field of choice. On top of that, you have management experience and then you got the paychecks you did. Then you compare your paychecks with your boss, who has minimal experience in what you do yet they make exponentially more than you. We are complaining about the pay scale differences between officers and enlisted. Our gripe is that officers, who don't know jack shit about the people that they are "responsible" for make so much more money than the enlisted supervisors that know every single detail about the job and the people performing the job.
RonE wrote:3geese4me wrote:Goldfish, I think what assa was getting at was that if you, a skilled worker who had 10 years of experience in your field of choice. On top of that, you have management experience and then you got the paychecks you did. Then you compare your paychecks with your boss, who has minimal experience in what you do yet they make exponentially more than you. We are complaining about the pay scale differences between officers and enlisted. Our gripe is that officers, who don't know jack shit about the people that they are "responsible" for make so much more money than the enlisted supervisors that know every single detail about the job and the people performing the job.
The officers need not know the technical details about any particular task, that is the job of the specialist. The officer is the person that manages the group of specialists. Management skills are not awarded at an academy or OCS, they are learned over time. Some 2nd Lt's or Ensigns bring management skills with them into the service, some learn the skills out of necessity and some never learn.
If someone is upset about the disparity in the pay scales within the military there are several options to sooth the sole.
One can apply for and go to OCS, one can quit, or one can STFU.
3geese4me wrote:Goldfish, I think what assa was getting at was that if you, a skilled worker who had 10 years of experience in your field of choice. On top of that, you have management experience and then you got the paychecks you did. Then you compare your paychecks with your boss, who has minimal experience in what you do yet they make exponentially more than you. We are complaining about the pay scale differences between officers and enlisted. Our gripe is that officers, who don't know jack shit about the people that they are "responsible" for make so much more money than the enlisted supervisors that know every single detail about the job and the people performing the job.
RonE wrote:3geese4me wrote:Goldfish, I think what assa was getting at was that if you, a skilled worker who had 10 years of experience in your field of choice. On top of that, you have management experience and then you got the paychecks you did. Then you compare your paychecks with your boss, who has minimal experience in what you do yet they make exponentially more than you. We are complaining about the pay scale differences between officers and enlisted. Our gripe is that officers, who don't know jack shit about the people that they are "responsible" for make so much more money than the enlisted supervisors that know every single detail about the job and the people performing the job.
The officers need not know the technical details about any particular task, that is the job of the specialist. The officer is the person that manages the group of specialists. Management skills are not awarded at an academy or OCS, they are learned over time. Some 2nd Lt's or Ensigns bring management skills with them into the service, some learn the skills out of necessity and some never learn.
If someone is upset about the disparity in the pay scales within the military there are several options to sooth the sole.
One can apply for and go to OCS, one can quit, or one can STFU.
Olly wrote:RonE wrote:3geese4me wrote:Goldfish, I think what assa was getting at was that if you, a skilled worker who had 10 years of experience in your field of choice. On top of that, you have management experience and then you got the paychecks you did. Then you compare your paychecks with your boss, who has minimal experience in what you do yet they make exponentially more than you. We are complaining about the pay scale differences between officers and enlisted. Our gripe is that officers, who don't know jack shit about the people that they are "responsible" for make so much more money than the enlisted supervisors that know every single detail about the job and the people performing the job.
The officers need not know the technical details about any particular task, that is the job of the specialist. The officer is the person that manages the group of specialists. Management skills are not awarded at an academy or OCS, they are learned over time. Some 2nd Lt's or Ensigns bring management skills with them into the service, some learn the skills out of necessity and some never learn.
If someone is upset about the disparity in the pay scales within the military there are several options to sooth the sole.
One can apply for and go to OCS, one can quit, or one can STFU.
When did you get commissioned
RonE wrote:Olly wrote:RonE wrote:3geese4me wrote:Goldfish, I think what assa was getting at was that if you, a skilled worker who had 10 years of experience in your field of choice. On top of that, you have management experience and then you got the paychecks you did. Then you compare your paychecks with your boss, who has minimal experience in what you do yet they make exponentially more than you. We are complaining about the pay scale differences between officers and enlisted. Our gripe is that officers, who don't know jack shit about the people that they are "responsible" for make so much more money than the enlisted supervisors that know every single detail about the job and the people performing the job.
The officers need not know the technical details about any particular task, that is the job of the specialist. The officer is the person that manages the group of specialists. Management skills are not awarded at an academy or OCS, they are learned over time. Some 2nd Lt's or Ensigns bring management skills with them into the service, some learn the skills out of necessity and some never learn.
If someone is upset about the disparity in the pay scales within the military there are several options to sooth the sole.
One can apply for and go to OCS, one can quit, or one can STFU.
When did you get commissioned
I got drafted when I was working at the Worlds Fair in 1965. I joined to avoid having to fly to my induction physical at Fort Ord California. I screwed up and joined for six years with a guaranteed tour in Europe. I was in the service for about 45 minutes before it started to suck. It sucked so hard, that I thought that there was no gravity, the whole earth just sucked. The next day, even before being assigned to a basic training company it was announced that a qualification test for OCS would be at 0600 the next morning and that if successfully completing OCS and becoming commissioned there would be a 2 year obligation.
Quick math told me that I could be away from the suction in maybe 2 1/2 - 3 years instead of 6. I passed the test and completed basic training satisfactorily but I had to complete AIT before going to OCS and I had to pass satisfactorily or better.
Well, the suction started again. I was sent from Fort Dix NJ to Fort Augusta, Ga for advanced individual training as an avionics equipment repair tech. The fucking school was 28 weeks long and I didn't know the first thing about electronics but I managed to complete it and got orders to OCS at Fort Gordon (Signal Corps).
OCS was HELL, I think I pushed Georgia half way to China. I ran till I couldn't run and then ran some more. Our class started with 115 candidates and graduated 57. I was commissioned in January 1967 after 25 weeks of bullshit and hell. I did learn a lot. I was then ordered to South East Asia but sent TDY to Fort Monmouth NJ for a 10 week Signal Officers Maintenance School. I reported 4 weeks early for the $16 per day per diem and assigned duties with a training battalion where all I had to do was conduct PE in the morning and fuck off the rest of the day.
Viet Nam was one of the most fun times of my life. I got shot at and missed, shit at and hit many times. Got to shoot back a few times and got to support lots of troops with a minimal amount of paperwork. Got to travel all around the country and drank like never before. While there I had lots of guns and my own jeep.
When I came back from Viet Nam in July of 1969 I was stationed with the signal battalion attached to the First Armored Division at Fort Head (Hood) Texas. I was a Company Commander for three different companies in the battalion. Each company was the worst in the battalion when I took it over and as soon as it became the best, I was given another company to straighten out. The suction had started again. It seemed that every person at Fort Head was either on the way to Viet Nam or on the way out of the service. Talk about attitude.
I stayed an extra year because in 1969 the job market sucked and they made me a Captain. I got out in January 1970 as an O3 over 4 making $910 plus $110 quarters and $47.88 uniform allowances.
I went to work for Memorex for $660 per month and to Junior College at night on the GI Bill for $343 per month. In 1972 I went to Chico State in Chico California on the GI Bill and sold real estate on the side and bought my first house in Oroville, Ca. I graduated from Chico in 1974 as soon as my GI Bill benefits ran out. I had arranged my classes to have Wednesdays off during duck season.
So, yes, officers make more money than enlisted men but in a lot of cases they work harder to become officers than enlisted men work to become e4 or e5. I feel fortunate that I went directly from e3 to e5 without ever having to be a Spec 4.
AKPirate wrote:RonE wrote:Olly wrote:RonE wrote:3geese4me wrote:Goldfish, I think what assa was getting at was that if you, a skilled worker who had 10 years of experience in your field of choice. On top of that, you have management experience and then you got the paychecks you did. Then you compare your paychecks with your boss, who has minimal experience in what you do yet they make exponentially more than you. We are complaining about the pay scale differences between officers and enlisted. Our gripe is that officers, who don't know jack shit about the people that they are "responsible" for make so much more money than the enlisted supervisors that know every single detail about the job and the people performing the job.
The officers need not know the technical details about any particular task, that is the job of the specialist. The officer is the person that manages the group of specialists. Management skills are not awarded at an academy or OCS, they are learned over time. Some 2nd Lt's or Ensigns bring management skills with them into the service, some learn the skills out of necessity and some never learn.
If someone is upset about the disparity in the pay scales within the military there are several options to sooth the sole.
One can apply for and go to OCS, one can quit, or one can STFU.
When did you get commissioned
I got drafted when I was working at the Worlds Fair in 1965. I joined to avoid having to fly to my induction physical at Fort Ord California. I screwed up and joined for six years with a guaranteed tour in Europe. I was in the service for about 45 minutes before it started to suck. It sucked so hard, that I thought that there was no gravity, the whole earth just sucked. The next day, even before being assigned to a basic training company it was announced that a qualification test for OCS would be at 0600 the next morning and that if successfully completing OCS and becoming commissioned there would be a 2 year obligation.
Quick math told me that I could be away from the suction in maybe 2 1/2 - 3 years instead of 6. I passed the test and completed basic training satisfactorily but I had to complete AIT before going to OCS and I had to pass satisfactorily or better.
Well, the suction started again. I was sent from Fort Dix NJ to Fort Augusta, Ga for advanced individual training as an avionics equipment repair tech. The fucking school was 28 weeks long and I didn't know the first thing about electronics but I managed to complete it and got orders to OCS at Fort Gordon (Signal Corps).
OCS was HELL, I think I pushed Georgia half way to China. I ran till I couldn't run and then ran some more. Our class started with 115 candidates and graduated 57. I was commissioned in January 1967 after 25 weeks of bullshit and hell. I did learn a lot. I was then ordered to South East Asia but sent TDY to Fort Monmouth NJ for a 10 week Signal Officers Maintenance School. I reported 4 weeks early for the $16 per day per diem and assigned duties with a training battalion where all I had to do was conduct PE in the morning and fuck off the rest of the day.
Viet Nam was one of the most fun times of my life. I got shot at and missed, shit at and hit many times. Got to shoot back a few times and got to support lots of troops with a minimal amount of paperwork. Got to travel all around the country and drank like never before. While there I had lots of guns and my own jeep.
When I came back from Viet Nam in July of 1969 I was stationed with the signal battalion attached to the First Armored Division at Fort Head (Hood) Texas. I was a Company Commander for three different companies in the battalion. Each company was the worst in the battalion when I took it over and as soon as it became the best, I was given another company to straighten out. The suction had started again. It seemed that every person at Fort Head was either on the way to Viet Nam or on the way out of the service. Talk about attitude.
I stayed an extra year because in 1969 the job market sucked and they made me a Captain. I got out in January 1970 as an O3 over 4 making $910 plus $110 quarters and $47.88 uniform allowances.
I went to work for Memorex for $660 per month and to Junior College at night on the GI Bill for $343 per month. In 1972 I went to Chico State in Chico California on the GI Bill and sold real estate on the side and bought my first house in Oroville, Ca. I graduated from Chico in 1974 as soon as my GI Bill benefits ran out. I had arranged my classes to have Wednesdays off during duck season.
So, yes, officers make more money than enlisted men but in a lot of cases they work harder to become officers than enlisted men work to become e4 or e5. I feel fortunate that I went directly from e3 to e5 without ever having to be a Spec 4.
Nice post Ron, I enjoyed reading that
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