La North/South Zone Discussion

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La North/South Zone Discussion

Postby Darren » Mon Aug 04, 2025 9:40 am

Don Dubuc discussing with Capt. Ryan Lambert who hunts off the MS River in Plaquemines Parish

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2245285029246516

I believe this goes before the LDWF commission this Thursday, the first Thurs of the month.

Haven't found a whole lot to get worked up about this potential change so largely abstaining from involvement or sending input.

That said, as a coastal hunter in tidal areas, Ryan's assertion about hunting just not happening at all during these negative events I think is a tad overblown. The tide range and timing is not the end all, be all, and the weather gets a say in that. If you have big fronts and low tide ranges below the mean, yes you'll have mudflats and birds holding offshore and in big lakes. But get some southerly and/or easterly winds in those periods, and you're largely still hunting without issue.

Many other potential South Zone hunters are not tide-impacted at all, so really his logic and thus largest issue taking to task, is only of limited applicability here to the larger collective. Bulk of the proposed letter they're asking hunters to send in is excerpted below:

Dear LDWF Commission,

I want to begin by expressing my deep appreciation for the work your department does in conserving our state’s waterfowl resources and for your commitment to gathering public input through surveys and listening sessions. As an engaged Louisiana hunter, I understand the complex task of setting seasons that are both biologically sound and responsive to the varied environments we call home.

In light of the recent waterfowl survey and its results, I would like to respectfully suggest a shift in the current zone structure—from the existing East/West zones to a North/South zoning approach. Many hunters, especially those in southern coastal regions influenced by tidal movement, feel that the current structure fails to reflect the environmental and migratory realities on the ground.

A North/South division would allow for better alignment with habitat types, weather patterns, and waterfowl migration behaviors. In particular, southern tidal marshes experience unique conditions that differ significantly from inland and northern areas of the state. These differences merit a season structure that allows more precise tuning to local patterns of bird movement and habitat availability.

Additionally, I strongly recommend that both the North and South zones be given three distinct splits during the waterfowl season. This flexibility would allow LDWF to tailor season dates more effectively, particularly in areas where bird presence peaks outside the traditional framework. Three splits would also provide greater opportunity to respond to early migrations, late pushes, or seasonal environmental changes such as arctic fronts and negative tides that impact access and bird behavior.

Ultimately, the goal we share is to ensure that Louisiana hunters have sustainable, meaningful access to waterfowl hunting opportunities that reflect our state’s rich diversity of habitat. A North/South structure with three seasonal splits would be a major step forward in achieving that goal.

Thank you again for your stewardship, your transparency, and your willingness to hear from those of us who live, work, and hunt in these landscapes every season.




NOTE: It's asking for three "splits," presumably wanting three open periods to hunt. However, the seasons are set in segments, and the "splits" are the off periods when season is closed, despite rampant use (including by LDWF at times) of the term "split" as that time of which the season is open and we're hunting. Jason O is currently working to get that verbiage alignment more consistent moving forward.
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Re: La North/South Zone Discussion

Postby Ducaholic » Mon Aug 04, 2025 12:52 pm

There was not a North South offering in the most recent survey. 3 splits of hunting is a bad idea. It cost the West Zone some good days last year.

I have a feeling things will revert back to 2001 when Venice was part of the East Zone and the line was south of Morgan City dividing East and West.
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Re: La North/South Zone Discussion

Postby Darren » Mon Aug 04, 2025 1:49 pm

Ducaholic wrote:3 splits of hunting is a bad idea. It cost the West Zone some good days last year.


Can vouch for that, having lost early part of January this year just so we'd enjoy that epic late season marsh hunting. :roll:

Three "segments" is a bad idea, gotta do our part to make the vernacular consistent........tall order, that.
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Re: La North/South Zone Discussion

Postby SpinnerMan » Mon Aug 04, 2025 4:17 pm

God I wish we had three splits. From my perspective we really have three distinct seasons. Our zero split season opens up towards the end or even after the first season. The woodies and other fair weather birds are gone soon after if not before our opener. Then we usually have to wait awhile before we get our second season which is the ones that migrate with the first weather. After they are gone, or settled into the area and gone stale, then we wait for the third season which often does not happen until the end of our zero split 60 continuous day season. The late season is my favorite, but does not happen until things get frozen up quite solid pushing the hardy birds and the stale birds to the winter patterns.

Of course, I'd be happy as a clam with our single continuous season if we remotely had the birds that you all have. I just get a little frustrated when I see quite decent numbers of birds before the season opens that are gone by the time it opens and then see huge numbers of birds after the season is over and often have little success while the season is actually open.
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Re: La North/South Zone Discussion

Postby DComeaux » Mon Aug 04, 2025 5:01 pm

I don't think we'll get a three split scenario. I hope the FEDs intervene and bring us to a conservative season in this flyway.
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Re: La North/South Zone Discussion

Postby Darren » Fri Aug 08, 2025 8:08 am

Checked in with Don D. himself this morning on this matter of the North-South zone attempt, sounds like it went nowhere and the vote was to keep East/West for the next 5 years.

My vague recollection from years back when this kind of thing arose, was that the NW La contingent wanted earlier days than NE La crew, so that's why they're lumped into the current West, formerly Coastal, also formerly West zone, and not simply someone's wild idea to draw the lines as such. With that in mind, no way they were going to buy off on being put in a new North Zone and given all the latest dates possible.
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Re: La North/South Zone Discussion

Postby Ducaholic » Sat Aug 09, 2025 5:51 pm

That's correct on NW La. Not to mention they don't have a lot of holding capacity by in large so they like to shoot birds moving through the area early on.
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Re: La North/South Zone Discussion

Postby Darren » Mon Aug 11, 2025 8:24 am

Ducaholic wrote:That's correct on NW La. Not to mention they don't have a lot of holding capacity by in large so they like to shoot birds moving through the area early on.


Yea that's my recollection now, was about the time you and I were attending meetings regularly.

The only chatter claiming that the choice by the Department to not make the change is just lunacy does not take into account the many years of input in-person and via survey where those who stand to see the change aren't on board. The Department is informed, the drum beaters are not.

I really don't have a dog in the fight here; the early dates I'd get in the South Zone for my marsh interests are just fine by me, and presumably Avoyelles Parish would be in the North Zone so we'd get the later end there......again just fine.
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Re: La North/South Zone Discussion

Postby Ducaholic » Mon Aug 11, 2025 10:15 am

Darren wrote:
Ducaholic wrote:That's correct on NW La. Not to mention they don't have a lot of holding capacity by in large so they like to shoot birds moving through the area early on.


Yea that's my recollection now, was about the time you and I were attending meetings regularly.

The only chatter claiming that the choice by the Department to not make the change is just lunacy does not take into account the many years of input in-person and via survey where those who stand to see the change aren't on board. The Department is informed, the drum beaters are not.

I really don't have a dog in the fight here; the early dates I'd get in the South Zone for my marsh interests are just fine by me, and presumably Avoyelles Parish would be in the North Zone so we'd get the later end there......again just fine.



Right you are... :thumbsup:
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