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A good question...

Postby Mornin Beef » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:06 pm

I keep hearing bout these 223 being a weapon that just shreds and piles human bodies all over the media in verbatim and similar metaphor. Wasn't this gun meant to wound in vietnam? Isn't this round and mode of gun meant to disable quickly? Create crimples and a burden upon the opposing force?
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Re: A good question...

Postby assateague » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:12 pm

Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.
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Re: A good question...

Postby Mornin Beef » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:17 pm

assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.
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Re: A good question...

Postby Mornin Beef » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:27 pm

Mornin Beef wrote:
assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.

The point is 223s are basically like ice skates, throats will get punctured.
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Re: A good question...

Postby Fowlplay » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:08 pm

Mornin Beef wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:
assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.

The point is 223s are basically like ice skates, throats will get punctured.

u got one?
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Re: A good question...

Postby goodkarmarising » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:29 pm

Young soldiers all of a sudden firing weapons (while never picking up a weapon in their lifes) and flinching with the recoil that most of us are used to in a combat situation or on the qualification range doesn't make for very great results.
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Re: A good question...

Postby assateague » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:31 pm

Mornin Beef wrote:
assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.


Only FMJ are allowed for military use. There is no expansion argument.
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Re: A good question...

Postby Mornin Beef » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:49 pm

assateague wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:
assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.


Only FMJ are allowed for military use. There is no expansion argument.

Well, say goodbye to this thread.
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Re: A good question...

Postby Bufflehead » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:50 pm

Mornin Beef wrote:
assateague wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:
assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.


Only FMJ are allowed for military use. There is no expansion argument.

Well, say goodbye to this thread.

you going to lock it?
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Re: A good question...

Postby Mornin Beef » Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:54 pm

Bufflehead wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:
assateague wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:
assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.


Only FMJ are allowed for military use. There is no expansion argument.

Well, say goodbye to this thread.

you going to lock it?

If i could Bro.
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Re: A good question...

Postby Eric Haynes » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:22 pm

assateague wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:
assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.


Only FMJ are allowed for military use. There is no expansion argument.


This makes me smile, and make make your blood boil just a little bit.

Back in 2006 the Air Force, and I'm not sure on any other branch(but I did issue than to Army MPs,) bought 10 million rds.(that was just to my base) of 5.56FMJ. Except for it wasn't true FMJ, it actually had a ceramic tip and disintegrated as soon as it hit something semi-solid. It didn't take long for NATO to ban it. Can you guess what we did with it?
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Re: A good question...

Postby Eric Haynes » Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:41 pm

Mornin Beef wrote:
assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.


Unshun.

Brain hurts.

Reshun.
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Re: A good question...

Postby assateague » Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:37 am

Eric Haynes wrote:
assateague wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:
assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.


Only FMJ are allowed for military use. There is no expansion argument.


This makes me smile, and make make your blood boil just a little bit.

Back in 2006 the Air Force, and I'm not sure on any other branch(but I did issue than to Army MPs,) bought 10 million rds.(that was just to my base) of 5.56FMJ. Except for it wasn't true FMJ, it actually had a ceramic tip and disintegrated as soon as it hit something semi-solid. It didn't take long for NATO to ban it. Can you guess what we did with it?


Somebody had some fun at the range. And spent a looooooot of time cleaning weapons.
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Re: A good question...

Postby Olly » Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:47 am

I'm going to guess they blew it up without firing a single shot.

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Re: A good question...

Postby Goldfish » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:52 pm

Olly wrote:I'm going to guess they blew it up without firing a single shot.

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Lets see here, look up the report... yep. It was all disposed of properly.
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Re: A good question...

Postby Eric Haynes » Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:28 pm

Olly wrote:I'm going to guess they blew it up without firing a single shot.

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Re: A good question...

Postby assateague » Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:06 pm

Weak sauce. When you have rounds to waste, you go to the range and put everything you have on full auto, and rock and roll until barrels turn orange. Then take a break, eat an MRE, and start all over.
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Re: A good question...

Postby Eric Haynes » Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:12 pm

assateague wrote:Weak sauce. When you have rounds to waste, you go to the range and put everything you have on full auto, and rock and roll until barrels turn orange. Then take a break, eat an MRE, and start all over.

We may or may not have fired a few thousand. Probably. The majority was had by EOD

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Re: A good question...

Postby Olly » Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:14 pm

Eric Haynes wrote:
Olly wrote:I'm going to guess they blew it up without firing a single shot.

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Re: A good question...

Postby Mornin Beef » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:31 pm

b.hud wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:
assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.

The point is 223s are basically like ice skates, throats will get punctured.

u got one?

Oops sorry bhud...nope a 22 mag though.
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Re: A good question...

Postby Fowlplay » Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:54 pm

Mornin Beef wrote:
b.hud wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:
assateague wrote:Technically, no, because intentional wounding is a war crime under the Geneva conventions. But yes, they do do that. Hit a bone and roll right down it. I still don't give the military credit for that being on purpose- think it was a pleasant accident for a poor design.

How can you(the army) expect a 223 which isnt bad for swirls to be applied in this way. IDK about speed or bullet expansion arguments. Its a woodchuck caliber.

The point is 223s are basically like ice skates, throats will get punctured.

u got one?

Oops sorry bhud...nope a 22 mag though.

you should get one. all the cool kids are doing it
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Re: A good question...

Postby Mornin Beef » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:02 pm

b.hud wrote:you should get one. all the cool kids are doing it

I would love one and your right I am a sucker for peer pressure. I remember one time I was coerced to jump off a 20 ft rock cliff into what look liked deep water. It was two inches deep.
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Re: A good question...

Postby Fowlplay » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:07 pm

Mornin Beef wrote:
b.hud wrote:you should get one. all the cool kids are doing it

I would love one and your right I am a sucker for peer pressure. I remember one time I was coerced to jump off a 20 ft rock cliff into what look liked deep water. It was two inches deep.

two inches? must have been some muddy ass water
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Re: A good question...

Postby Mornin Beef » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:12 pm

b.hud wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:
b.hud wrote:you should get one. all the cool kids are doing it

I would love one and your right I am a sucker for peer pressure. I remember one time I was coerced to jump off a 20 ft rock cliff into what look liked deep water. It was two inches deep.

two inches? must have been some muddy ass water

Sitting on flat black bedrock
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Re: A good question...

Postby Fowlplay » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:16 pm

Mornin Beef wrote:
b.hud wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:
b.hud wrote:you should get one. all the cool kids are doing it

I would love one and your right I am a sucker for peer pressure. I remember one time I was coerced to jump off a 20 ft rock cliff into what look liked deep water. It was two inches deep.

two inches? must have been some muddy ass water

Sitting on flat black bedrock

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Re: A good question...

Postby Mornin Beef » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:21 pm

b.hud wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:
b.hud wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:
b.hud wrote:you should get one. all the cool kids are doing it

I would love one and your right I am a sucker for peer pressure. I remember one time I was coerced to jump off a 20 ft rock cliff into what look liked deep water. It was two inches deep.

two inches? must have been some muddy ass water

Sitting on flat black bedrock

i see

Never seen people laugh that hard. They thought it was deep too and they still die laughing thinking about it. Bruised so badly.
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Re: A good question...

Postby Fowlplay » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:28 pm

Mornin Beef wrote:Never seen people laugh that hard. They thought it was deep too and they still die laughing thinking about it. Bruised so badly.

belly flop?
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Re: A good question...

Postby Mornin Beef » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:33 pm

b.hud wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:Never seen people laugh that hard. They thought it was deep too and they still die laughing thinking about it. Bruised so badly.

belly flop?

that would have been death. It was a knees bent careful jump. If it was a good pencil jump i would have broke both my legs.
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Re: A good question...

Postby Mornin Beef » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:33 pm

b.hud wrote:
Mornin Beef wrote:Never seen people laugh that hard. They thought it was deep too and they still die laughing thinking about it. Bruised so badly.

belly flop?

that would have been death. It was a knees bent careful jump. If it was a good pencil jump i would have broke both my legs.
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Re: A good question...

Postby Mornin Beef » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:33 pm

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